Portland Covets Mo Williams

[hasoos]

Mo would be a good fit with Roy, but he tends to puss out when most needed, which worries me. He is a poor defender, so if he isn't getting his points on the board, he is a detriment out there. Fortunately most of the time, he gets his share of scoring done.

 

[LittleAlex]

Well if you want to use flawed logic, Andre Miller has never won a playoff series.

I don't recall saying Mo was worse then Miller.

But hey, you can go ahead and make up shit if you want.

Mo isn't a winner. He doesn't get it done when it counts. I wouldn't mind getting a dude whose numbers go up in the off season (or at least remain about the same) instead of a guy who wilts.

The last thing Portland needs is yet another guy who will puss out under pressure. We have plenty of those already.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

$9,300,000

$8,500,000

$8,500,000

If KP seriously lands this guy, who may not even be an upgrade to Miller, I HOPE he's fired.

 

[RoyToy]

I don't recall saying Mo was worse then Miller.

But hey, you can go ahead and make up shit if you want.

I was just using your flawed logic of W/L all being dependent on one player.

 

[Idog1976]

Lol i saw this on Oregonlive

http://www.fearthesword.com/2010/6/22/1530176/trade-idea-mo-for-oden

Is there a mega-puke emoticon?

 

[rocketeer]

$9,300,000

$8,500,000

$8,500,000

If KP seriously lands this guy, who may not even be an upgrade to Miller, I HOPE he's fired.

there's no question about him being an upgrade to miller. he is.

 

[Minstrel]

there's no question about me thinking anyone is better than miller. i do.

Fixed.

Mo Williams has a worse PER than Miller (both last season and career) and while Miller has lost a step defensively, Williams is even worse. You can state your opinions as facts all you want, but that doesn't make it more compelling.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Fixed.

Mo Williams has a worse PER than Miller (both last season and career) and while Miller has lost a step defensively, Williams is even worse. You can state your opinions as facts all you want, but that doesn't make it more compelling.

You're living in the past my friend. PGs who are actually playmakers are passe'.

 

[RoyToy]

Fixed.

Mo Williams has a worse PER than Miller (both last season and career) and while Miller has lost a step defensively, Williams is even worse. You can state your opinions as facts all you want, but that doesn't make it more compelling.

You can't forget to factor in that while Roy is putting on a happy face, he doesn't seem to like playing with Miller.

If you want to bring up stats, Williams had a better DRtg than Miller last year. He had the same DRtg as Batum.

Just another reason why stats like PER/DRtg/etc should really be taken with a grain of salt. Players work differently in different situations, and that's why numbers are never the final answer.

edit - and last year Mo had a 106 DRtg, better than Batum this year.

 

[Minstrel]

If you want to bring up stats, Williams had a better DRtg than Miller last year. He had the same DRtg as Batum.

And a worse one, career. While the current season is the most recent data, defensive statistics tend to be very noisy season to season. (Of course, they also tend to be noisy over larger sample sizes too...but too much so to use one season's worth as a great indication of a player's "true defensive ability").

Just another reason why stats like PER/DRtg/etc should really be taken with a grain of salt.

I wouldn't lump all stats together in terms of accuracy. A production stat, like PER, that measures things with a numerical quantity (like points, rebounds, etct) is a lot more reliable than a stat that measures something that doesn't directly have a numerical quantity (like defense).

Players work differently in different situations, and that's why numbers are never the final answer.

Nothing is ever the final answer. But since we all have observational biases (built in ones, being human) and we don't see large sample sizes of every player in the league, I'd say that evaluation by observation, at least by fans, is even more problematic than numbers. Not that observation isn't a valid part of evaluation, but I certainly wouldn't say it trumps stats.

As for Roy not seeming to like playing with Miller, I'd say that was true early in the season, but then the two got quite comfortable with one another.

 

[RoyToy]

As for Roy not seeming to like playing with Miller, I'd say that was true early in the season, but then the two got quite comfortable with one another.

Instead of getting into the same never-ending debate that usually occurs I'll just say I disagree.