Portland has eyes for Curry?

[andalusian]

I don't agree with your Curry/Blake comparison. Both are good shooters and weak slashers. But Blake is better at running the point. He's a classic point guard, just not a very good one. Curry is a combo guard.

This year, running the point - Curry's assist% was 40.1 - which is fantastic...

Blake, in college was consistently around the 36 mark...

 

[shamelessblazer]

What is this much better shooter than JB based on?

Jerryd Bayless' only college stats

46% field, 41% 3pt, 84% FT

Stephen Curry's last year college stats

45% field, 39% 3pt, 88% FT



I don;t get how he is a better shooter, much less much better

Bayless' defenders were sagging off of him majorly in his college career, and he had a much better supporting cast, so most of his perimeter shots were wide open. Again, much of his game was inside (because he was/is so athletic compared to the competition) but it hasn't worked in the pros as well because a lot of guys have more comparable athleticism (though Bayless is still impressive).

Curry is shooting the outside jumper as his main weapon, with no good teammates, and is smothered every damn shot he takes. He runs around and works hard to get open (ala Rudy) and knows how to run of screens fantastic.

The real question is if Roy will be able to have better vision and reward cutters. If so a Rudy/Curry combo beside him is fantastic, if not neither of them would especially succeed.

Roy(33)/Koponen(12) (both 6'5)
Rudy(25)/Curry(25)

could actually make a lot of sense long-term.

 

[Mediocre Man]

and 10X the passer Bayless is

Stephen Curry assist numbers

As a freshman 2.8
As a sophomore 2.9
As a junior 5.6
Overall 3.8

Jerryd Bayless assist numbers

As a freshman 4.0

In a tougher conference.

Again I will ask.....How is Curry 10x the passer Bayless is?

 

[andalusian]

So doesn't it also cloud the real picture on Bayless? Bayless was a PG in highschool, and started that way in college until somoene got hurt. He then played an unfamiliar possition the rest of his college year. then in the NBA, he was asked to change yet again.

Taking Curry's career numbers in college

.466 field, .411 3pt%, .875 FT

compared again to Bayless

.458 field, .407 3pt%, .839 FT


It still isn't really that much better. He was older and played in a much weaker conference as well.

I am not sure what you are arguing about - Curry is simply a better shooter - and he shoots a much higher volume as well. Their mechanics are different and when they were both playing as none-PG's, Curry shot a lot more jumpers, a lot more contested jumpers - and yet his percentages were higher.

JB is much better at driving, getting to the FT line and defense - but he will never be confused for a designated shooter.

 

[shamelessblazer]

But both those things will continue to hold true. Bayless will force more space due to his ability to slash and defenders will continue to play Curry tighter. Functionally, they're likely to continue to be similarly dangerous outside shooters.

that's a very numbers based perspective but completely ignores how the spacing of the defense affects the rest of the players on the floor. Maybe their numbers would continue to look the same, but that spacing is very valuable for a playmaker like Roy, and for big guys like Aldridge and Oden to get single coverage in the post. Look at the spurs over the years, why do you think teams have been so reluctant to double Manu, Parker, or Duncan and they've had these open spaces to work with? It sure as hell isn't because they've had a bunch of guys like Bayless you could sag off of.

With Pritchard coming from there I don't think it's a huge coincidence that he likes having other shooters on this team.

I don't agree with your Curry/Blake comparison. Both are good shooters and weak slashers. But Blake is better at running the point. He's a classic point guard, just not a very good one. Curry is a combo guard.

Blake is not a classic PG, outside of 1 quarter this whole season he never created anything for anyone on the team. Being a classic PG is not sitting in the corner waiting the shoot 90% of the time on the floor, being totally inept on the break, and not being able to run a pick n roll or make an entry pass.

Blake has high school PG skills and athleticism, with a pro height and shot.

 

[Blaze01]

What is this much better shooter than JB based on?

Jerryd Bayless' only college stats

46% field, 41% 3pt, 84% FT

Stephen Curry's last year college stats

45% field, 39% 3pt, 88% FT

Somewhat similiar statistics MM, but not similiar situations IMO....The stats I have differ from yours. I pulled them off Draft Express...

Bayless 35.7 minutes - 48.9% 2pFG on 234 att - 40.7% 3pFG on 144 att - 4 Apg - 1 Spg - 3 TOpg

Curry 33.7 minutes - 51.9% 2pFG on 350 att - 38.7% 3pFG on 336 att - 5.6 Apg - 2.5 Spg - 3.7 TOpg

Surprisingly to me, Curry played less minutes than Bayless did in his college year, but there is no doubt that Curry was THE major scorer and catalyst for Davidson (20.2 2\3 att per game); Bayless had 12.6 2\3 att per game in comparison....

Curry shot almost over 200 more 3pt FG and 116 more 2pt FG for the season...more attempts...the defacto offensive focal point of team and main target to stop for defenders...means fewer quality shots as a result, AND he played PG this year and dished out 5.6 Apg with an \TO ratio of 1,50 (Bayless was 1.38 in his sole college season)...All that being said his numbers look really good IMO, and compare more favorable than Bayless' college numbers....

Other interesting stats...Approximately 39.7% of Curry's points per game were from 3pt FG, 37.6% from 2pt FG & 22.6% from FT; Bayless by comparison was 30% from 3pt FG, 38% from 2pt FG & 31% from FT

Points per possession.....Curry rated 1.05, Bayless rated 1.04...very similiar

So both of these guys are close IMO...I think Bayless will likely be better at getting to the rim and scoring...He seemed to be able to get into the key often when I saw him....however he hasn't shown the ability to finish at a high enough success rate in the NBA yet (but I think he will)...more FT attempts I could see as well.....Curry on the other hand is a better outside shooter (for whatever reason this was a major achilles heel for Byaless last season) and IMO has shown the ability to be a better distributor as a PG than Bayless, at least at the college level which I found surprising....

I see...sort of....two sides of the same coin here....and I would be happy to have both of them on this team...I thnk having a guard that can break down defenders and get to the rim and open up opportunities for himself, but more importantly for others is VERY important in the NBA....but I also beleive that POR needs another scorer who can play effectively off of Roy & LA and help take on the scoring load off of them, which Curry seems to fit in better...

I think a combination of both of them would be great, with either able to play PG, Curry able to take on that scoring role when needed...I wouldn't be opposed to POR trading up for Curry at all quite frankly, let Bayless & Curry fight it out and see which one emegres 2-3 years from now as the starter....



http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Stephen-Curry-1170/stats/

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jerryd-Bayless-1067/stats/

 

[shamelessblazer]

Stephen Curry assist numbers

As a freshman 2.8
As a sophomore 2.9
As a junior 5.6
Overall 3.8

Jerryd Bayless assist numbers

As a freshman 4.0

In a tougher conference.

Again I will ask.....How is Curry 10x the passer Bayless is?

Curry played with a PG his first two years so you really have to eliminate them from that little look. The comparison is really 5.6 to 4.0.

 

[Blaze01]

Stephen Curry assist numbers

As a freshman 2.8
As a sophomore 2.9
As a junior 5.6
Overall 3.8

Jerryd Bayless assist numbers

As a freshman 4.0

In a tougher conference.

Again I will ask.....How is Curry 10x the passer Bayless is?

His junior year he was asked to play PG...those other years he played mainly SG...

 

[LittleAlex]

If Curry drops to 24, then Portland should snag him.

They should trade away anything to get him, though. He isn't worth it.

IMHO, not one player in this whole draft is worth trading anyone for. Not even Sergio.

 

[THE HCP]

I'm cool with JB! Bayless is gonna be a very good player in this league.

 

[andalusian]

Stephen Curry assist numbers

As a freshman 2.8
As a sophomore 2.9
As a junior 5.6
Overall 3.8

Jerryd Bayless assist numbers

As a freshman 4.0

In a tougher conference.

Again I will ask.....How is Curry 10x the passer Bayless is?

Assists are a very different animal than shooting - a good pass does not become an assist until someone else converts it. Remember that Bayless had much better teammates to pass to to finish - Davidson was Curry and nobody around him.

Look at their assist% to get a better idea of how they set their team-mates. As small-guards - they both were in the mid-20, as a PG - Curry's ast% has gone up to 41% - which is very good.

I have no idea if Curry is a better distributor than JB, for the record - I just do not like the total assists stuff to determine how well they do as passers.

 

[Ed O]

Curry played with a PG his first two years so you really have to eliminate them from that little look. The comparison is really 5.6 to 4.0.

Why? Have you ever heard of Nic Wise?

Ed O.

 

[Minstrel]

that's a very numbers based perspective but completely ignores how the spacing of the defense affects the rest of the players on the floor. Maybe their numbers would continue to look the same, but that spacing is very valuable for a playmaker like Roy, and for big guys like Aldridge and Oden to get single coverage in the post.

The spacing will be the same. Defenders are not going to leave Bayless to double team or to sag into the lane. They're going to sag a step or two off him in order to be tougher to beat off the dribble. That's still going leave the paint and lane wide open.

Blake is not a classic PG, outside of 1 quarter this whole season he never created anything for anyone on the team. Being a classic PG is not sitting in the corner waiting the shoot 90% of the time on the floor, being totally inept on the break, and not being able to run a pick n roll or make an entry pass.

Through his career, college and NBA, Blake has brought the ball up and set up the offense. He's not a great distributor...if he were, he'd be a good/great point guard. There is such a thing as a mediocre classical point guard. Blake does the things that point guards have been expected to do since the position came into vogue, until this year. This year, with Roy ascendant, the team had Blake bring the ball up, give the ball to Roy and then wait at the three-point line. It was effective because Roy is such an amazing talent, but it's not the way Blake has played through his career.

 

[MAS RipCity]

Curry has bust written all over him, please be a smokescreen

 

[shamelessblazer]

The spacing will be the same. Defenders are not going to leave Bayless to double team or to sag into the lane. They're going to sag a step or two off him in order to be tougher to beat off the dribble. That's still going leave the paint and lane wide open.

Maybe in a YMCA league but not in the NBA. The difference isn't on corner jumpers which are far in anyways, the difference is that teams will pay attention to Curry as he runs off screens or around the perimeter like they do with Rudy. With Bayless they literally do not care at all. They'll guard him if he has the ball, but if he doesn't and he's on the perimeter they don't. Watch the games man, the NBA is played at a fast speed, and stuff like that matters.

Through his career, college and NBA, Blake has brought the ball up and set up the offense. He's not a great distributor...if he were, he'd be a good/great point guard. There is such a thing as a mediocre classical point guard. Blake does the things that point guards have been expected to do since the position came into vogue, until this year. This year, with Roy ascendant, the team had Blake bring the ball up, give the ball to Roy and then wait at the three-point line. It was effective because Roy is such an amazing talent, but it's not the way Blake has played through his career.

This is a very common totally faulty thought. When has Blake started/been effective/looked good in his whole career? When he played next to Juan Dixon in college (who did all the ball handling and scoring), Brandon Roy (who did al the ball handling and scoring), and Allen Iverson (who did all the ball handling and scoring).

Steve Blake SUCKS.

Ask Milwaukee how good he was at running their offense.

 

[Minstrel]

Maybe in a YMCA league but not in the NBA. The difference isn't on corner jumpers which are far in anyways, the difference is that teams will pay attention to Curry as he runs off screens or around the perimeter like they do with Rudy. With Bayless they literally do not care at all. They'll guard him if he has the ball, but if he doesn't and he's on the perimeter they don't. Watch the games man, the NBA is played at a fast speed, and stuff like that matters.

As usual, all you have is rants rather than actual insight. I do watch the games and you're entirely wrong. The idea that defenses do not guard Bayless on the perimeter is absurd, unless you think last year was the only year of basketball Bayless has ever played.

This is a very common totally faulty thought. When has Blake started/been effective/looked good in his whole career?

He hasn't. That's why he's not a good player. That's different from what style of guard he is.

 

[BalancedMan]

I have mentioned in that past how I feel that Curry seems to play at a slower pace...similar to Roy. It's not that it's slower, but it's more deliberate, and I think that Curry could become a decent player. I think that he could be a good shooter, although I do worry a bit about his quickness (or lack of) and think he'll be an inferior defender to Bayless.

Since I saw Curry in the tournament, I've grown to like him less as a prospect, but he still reminds me of a miniature Roy (again, not from driving, etc., but from his poise and composure).

If we do trade up and get Curry, figure that between him and Bayless the PG situation will be sorted out. In that case I expect us to push to sign Hedo since he can handle the ball so well and create mismatches from the SF position.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Curry played with a PG his first two years so you really have to eliminate them from that little look. The comparison is really 5.6 to 4.0.

Ok, but wouldn't 10X the passer be more like 40.0 to 4.0?

I think a lot of you forget a player on Arizona's roster named Nick Wise as well. Bayless prinarily played SG in college because of him. So taking SG numbers he is clearly a better passer than Curry was as a SG.

 

[MrJayremmie]

His junior year he was asked to play PG...those other years he played mainly SG...

Bayless was asked to play SG for a lot of the year and score due to the injuries Arizona suffered.

Curry played with a PG his first two years so you really have to eliminate them from that little look. The comparison is really 5.6 to 4.0.

Bayless played with a PG his year at Arizona. Nic Wise is good.

and he had a much better supporting cast

Can we call it even because he was playing against better competition as well?

Curry is cool, but I don't think we need him. I think he is pretty similar to Rudy actually. I also think that Bayless will be a fine shooter in this league, good enough for what we need, but his physical attributes and mindset give us more of what we need which is a tough nose guard who gets to the rim. Also defense is very important, I have a feeling Curry wouldn't do so well defensively, and may have some trouble getting his shot off. I also doubt he would get any playing time unless there were only 2 PGs on the roster (or at least PT similar to Bayless' rookie year).

But if we don't give up a lot and move up to the mid-teens and snatch Curry (if he is higher than that then he isn't worth it imo) I'd be game because I trust KP. If he wants to aggressively go after Curry, then he must see something in him, which is a good sign. But i'd rather have Bayless or Sessions any day.

 

[Iwatas]

I'm all for getting Sessions as our PG going forward, and Freeland as backup PF, with perhaps drafting another banger. So basically, I have no expectations from this draft. Anything really positive would be a complete shock.

iWatas

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Curry will be nothing more than a designated shooter. He cannot create for himself or others, except for him shooting threes.

 

[Blaze01]

Apparently Blazer officials took Curry out to dinner in CHI....

 

[oldmangrouch]

If Curry drops to 24, then Portland should snag him.

They should trade away anything to get him, though. He isn't worth it.

IMHO, not one player in this whole draft is worth trading anyone for. Not even Sergio.

Feeling just a little hyperbolic today!

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Curry's game reminds me of Mike Bibby. Bayless's is more Steve Francis. I see them as very different.

Curry is pretty slow, it looks like, but has a pretty good no-step vertical.

Curry's shooting would work well next to Roy, but his defense would likely be a step down from Blake's, and that's NOT good. On the other hand, he can penetrate better than Blake and is probably a better passer (partly as a result). Supposedly Doctors have said he might have some more growing to do (he has big feet for his height). I don't think he has "bust written all over him" - he's not the Adam Morrison of guards - but if Steve Blake getting blown by made your blood boil, he wouldn't help.

 

[shamelessblazer]

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[shamelessblazer]

Apparently Blazer officials took Curry out to dinner in CHI....

Wheels at work?

 

[Nikolokolus]

Apparently Blazer officials took Curry out to dinner in CHI....

Any hanky panky afterwards? Apparently KP "has eyes" for him.

 

[RR7]

Apparently Blazer officials took Curry out to dinner in CHI....

Hmmm. Last year, from what i recall hearing, they brought in Bayless for a secret workout before the draft. I think if KP truly had his eyes on someone, and needed to trade up, he wouldn't be taking them out to dinner. But, who knows.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Any hanky panky afterwards? Apparently KP "has eyes" for him.

Curry reaches for the salt. KP casually reaches for it at the same time. Their fingers touch, their eyes meet, the sound of "Strangers in the Night" swells in the background......

OK - I am even creeping myself out!

 

[Nikolokolus]

Hmmm. Last year, from what i recall hearing, they brought in Bayless for a secret workout before the draft. I think if KP truly had his eyes on someone, and needed to trade up, he wouldn't be taking them out to dinner. But, who knows.

This is the first I've ever heard of any such "secret" work out. Then again it is a secret.