Portland in Iguodala Sweepstakes

[craigehlo]

@RicBucher League source says take Cle out of Iguodala Sweepstakes. Dallas, Portland, Phoenix can all make infinitely better offers.

That's a legit #2 scorer for this team. I hope this rumor has legs.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

I just hope it doesn't involve Batum.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Throughout the off-season we've had numerous debates on whether Andre Iguodala can or will play point guard this season, and Kate ***an's recent article might have given us an answer.

Andre Iguodala said he'd like to play a little point guard this year for the 76ers. "I think we'll be good regardless. This year, I'm trying to be open to everything."

I see this as nothing as good news for the Sixers and Iguodala. Not only does Iguodala possess the team's best court vision and playmaking abilities, but he can also defend a point guard just as well as he can defend a small forward (really well). Moving Iguodala to the one also allows Thad to play his natural position (small forward) and Brand to play his (power forward), so it's beneficial for everyone.

Iguodala also said he had been in the gym endlessly - specifically in the last month - working on various skills, including the "catch-and-shoot" because of new coach Eddie Jordan's pass-and-cut offense.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

That's a legit #2 scorer for this team. I hope this rumor has legs.

Note it says can. Which is tantamount to saying "I'm making this shit up".

I was much more into this before Nic Batum came out looking like a Scottie Pippen-Kevin Durant hybrid. I would NOT favor giving up Batum even one-for-one. And suppose we got him while keeping Batum. Who starts? Next year? Does Batum get an Iguodala-esque contract?

Maybe if Brandon Roy really could play PG, we could start all three. But otherwise, I guess we really do need a 4 or a five much more.

 

[THE HCP]

Rather have Nic. Doesn't need shots to help the team.

 

[LameR]

Note it says can. Which is tantamount to saying "I'm making this shit up".

I was much more into this before Nic Batum came out looking like a Scottie Pippen-Kevin Durant hybrid. I would NOT favor giving up Batum even one-for-one. And suppose we got him while keeping Batum. Who starts? Next year? Does Batum get an Iguodala-esque contract?

Maybe if Brandon Roy really could play PG, we could start all three. But otherwise, I guess we really do need a 4 or a five much more.

This.

 

[Luther]

Note it says can. Which is tantamount to saying "I'm making this shit up".

I was much more into this before Nic Batum came out looking like a Scottie Pippen-Kevin Durant hybrid. I would NOT favor giving up Batum even one-for-one. And suppose we got him while keeping Batum. Who starts? Next year? Does Batum get an Iguodala-esque contract?

Maybe if Brandon Roy really could play PG, we could start all three. But otherwise, I guess we really do need a 4 or a five much more.

Ok Nic is good. How good, we don't really know yet. Comparing him to one of the best players of all time and a current All-Star in any way is just dumb. I really like Batum, but I seriously doubt he ever makes an All-Star team.

 

[BengalDuck]

Why does everyone assume Batum is on the block?

 

[noknobs]

This.

This.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Ok Nic is good. How good, we don't really know yet. Comparing him to one of the best players of all time and a current All-Star in any way is just dumb.

Hyperbole:

–noun Rhetoric.
1. obvious and intentional exaggeration.
2. an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as “to wait an eternity.”

I really like Batum, but I seriously doubt he ever makes an All-Star team.

(a) Why?
(b) Even if he doesn't, that doesn't mean he can't be very good. Tayshaun Prince will never have made an all-star team, while Jamal Magloire has. That says more about the all-star system than anything.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I'm high enough on Nic's potential that I probably wouldn't do this deal, if only because Iggy makes a ton of money for what he provides and needs the ball quite a lot to be effective.

 

[Luther]

Hyperbole:





(a) Why?
(b) Even if he doesn't, that doesn't mean he can't be very good. Tayshaun Prince will never have made an all-star team, while Jamal Magloire has. That says more about the all-star system than anything.

I didn't say he isn't or won't be really good. The players you just compared him to are in another league though. Hyperbole's don't really work out too well when comparing basketball players...

 

[RR7]

I'm thinking Philly wouldn't really value Batum anyways as much as they would Rudy. Acquiring a SG would allow them to move Thad Young to the SF slot, whereas acquiring Batum still keeps them with a mismatched roster. Doubt anything happens with it. Would need to include a SF from our team as well, since having all 3 would be overkill, but adding Webster is the same issue as adding Batum, if they want Thad at SF.

Blake, Outlaw, Rudy, Webster and Przybill

for

Dalembert and Iguodola.

Miller/Bayless
Roy/Bayless/
Iguodola/Batum
Aldridge/Howard/Cunningham
Dalembert/Pendergraph

Lou Williams/jrue Holliday
Rudy/Webster
Thad Young/Webster
Brand
Speights

Not going to pretend to know their lineup well, and am too lazy right now to look it up. They save over 4 million dollars this season. Will save well over that next season, as Webster and Joel combined make close to what Dalembert makes. Which means they basically shave Iggy's contract.

 

[shamelessblazer]

I'm not willing to lose Batum for him, but here are a couple of hypotheticals. As much as I would HATE to lose Fernandez or Bayless the fact is that they both are on rookie deals and will cost more and want playing time in just the next couple of years, can't keep everyone. BUT Iggy is definetely overpaid for what he is at the moment (third tier star creator). He was at his best when an ultimate utility guy who played tough D, the real question is can he go back to that role (be our scottie pippen), after being 'the man'. Philly is going to want cap relief and some talented young pieces coming back, and Blake or Outlaw would work well for cap relief (and they need a shooter like Blake bad), while Bayless, Rudy, or Webster would qualify as cheap young talent.

1. Blake/Bayless/Webster for him?

Miller
Roy/Fernandez
Iguodala/Batum

with Roy and Fernandez playing spot minutes at 1? Losing these three while retaining Miller and Fernandez leaves the best passers to feed Iggy and Roy and arguably the best off the ball players. With Iggy and Miller (along with Batum/LA/Rudy) there's no damn way we're not running.

2. Blake/Rudy/Outlaw?

Miller/Bayless
Roy/Webster
Iguodala/Batum

Leaves the best penetrators, but with Roy and Iguodala being good at that the team could be left with isoball (Nate might love it). Webster would really be the only shooter left too (we'll see about Batum).

3. Blake/Webster/Rudy? (perhaps the most realistic, Bayless likely doesn't fit long term next to Lou Williams)

Miller/Bayless
Roy/Batum
Iguodala/Batum

There'd be enough minutes for everyone, but no consistent shooters whatsoever in the backcourt.

4. Blake/Rudy/Bayless/Outlaw

Miller/Batum
Roy/Batum
Iguodala/Webster

We retain a ton of size and can beat the hell out of teams (might give up some outside shots), and Batum gets some minutes at 1/2 while Webster takes minutes at 2/3. Probably my favorite of the combinations considering the rotation we're left with at the 1-3 spots. I think Batum can play point next to Roy AND Iggy, probably not with Martell in there too though. We would still have Mills and could bring over Koponen next year too.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

I heard Shamelessblazer running to this thread a mile away.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

I'm thinking Philly wouldn't really value Batum anyways as much as they would Rudy. Acquiring a SG would allow them to move Thad Young to the SF slot, whereas acquiring Batum still keeps them with a mismatched roster. Doubt anything happens with it. Would need to include a SF from our team as well, since having all 3 would be overkill, but adding Webster is the same issue as adding Batum, if they want Thad at SF.

Blake, Outlaw, Rudy, Webster and Przybill

for

Dalembert and Iguodola.

Miller/Bayless
Roy/Bayless/
Iguodola/Batum
Aldridge/Howard/Cunningham
Dalembert/Pendergraph

Lou Williams/jrue Holliday
Rudy/Webster
Thad Young/Webster
Brand
Speights

Not going to pretend to know their lineup well, and am too lazy right now to look it up. They save over 4 million dollars this season. Will save well over that next season, as Webster and Joel combined make close to what Dalembert makes. Which means they basically shave Iggy's contract.

Seriously??? in your dreams, Phili laughs at you and hangs up

 

[BBert]

Rather have Nic. Doesn't need shots to help the team.

Check.

 

[shamelessblazer]

Iggy.... and needs the ball quite a lot to be effective.

This wasn't true his first few years in the league though, he played off of AI extremely well. He has the ability (like Roy has the ability to run the break as he did at Washington), but are they willing to do it?

 

[RR7]

Seriously??? in your dreams, Phili laughs at you and hangs up

Maybe they do, maybe they don't. What has come up in other talks? They said they would like to move Dalembert with Iggy. To Houston for McGrady? Which deal is better? One where they get two good young players in Rudy and Martell, or nothing at all? Saves them an awful lot of money over the life o fthose deals. They don't seem to be looking to get a great return on the floor, but moving all of their salary if possible. This sure helps.

 

[shamelessblazer]

I heard Shamelessblazer running to this thread a mile away.

I really haven't been interested in Iggy at all since that extension, if it's a feasibility now my curiosity is piqued, mostly because I know Nate won't truly ever utilize Rudy or Webster, but I don't know if he'd utilize Iggy (on the break) at all either.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

Maybe they do, maybe they don't. What has come up in other talks? They said they would like to move Dalembert with Iggy. To Houston for McGrady? Which deal is better? One where they get two good young players in Rudy and Martell, or nothing at all? Saves them an awful lot of money over the life o fthose deals. They don't seem to be looking to get a great return on the floor, but moving all of their salary if possible. This sure helps.

Its like throwing out our trash, for their borderline allstar.... at least put Bayless in there

 

[BrianFromWA]

I'm not willing to lose Batum for him, but here are a couple of hypotheticals. As much as I would HATE to lose Fernandez or Bayless the fact is that they both are on rookie deals and will cost more and want playing time in just the next couple of years, can't keep everyone. BUT Iggy is definetely overpaid for what he is at the moment (third tier star creator). He was at his best when an ultimate utility guy who played tough D, the real question is can he go back to that role (be our scottie pippen), after being 'the man'. Philly is going to want cap relief and some talented young pieces coming back, and Blake or Outlaw would work well for cap relief (and they need a shooter like Blake bad), while Bayless, Rudy, or Webster would qualify as cheap young talent.

1. Blake/Bayless/Webster for him?

Miller
Roy/Fernandez
Iguodala/Batum

with Roy and Fernandez playing spot minutes at 1? Losing these three while retaining Miller and Fernandez leaves the best passers to feed Iggy and Roy and arguably the best off the ball players. With Iggy and Miller (along with Batum/LA/Rudy) there's no damn way we're not running.

2. Blake/Rudy/Outlaw?

Miller/Bayless
Roy/Webster
Iguodala/Batum

Leaves the best penetrators, but with Roy and Iguodala being good at that the team could be left with isoball (Nate might love it). Webster would really be the only shooter left too (we'll see about Batum).

3. Blake/Webster/Rudy? (perhaps the most realistic, Bayless likely doesn't fit long term next to Lou Williams)

Miller/Bayless
Roy/Batum
Iguodala/Batum

There'd be enough minutes for everyone, but no consistent shooters whatsoever in the backcourt.

4. Blake/Rudy/Bayless/Outlaw

Miller/Batum
Roy/Batum
Iguodala/Webster

We retain a ton of size and can beat the hell out of teams (might give up some outside shots), and Batum gets some minutes at 1/2 while Webster takes minutes at 2/3. Probably my favorite of the combinations considering the rotation we're left with at the 1-3 spots. I think Batum can play point next to Roy AND Iggy, probably not with Martell in there too though. We would still have Mills and could bring over Koponen next year too.

Honestly, I could get behind #4. The others? Not so much.

 

[RR7]

Its like throwing out our trash, for their borderline allstar.... at least put Bayless in there

Why is Rudy trash and Bayless isn't. They have Lou Williams and Jrue Holliday at the point. Throwing them a 3rd PG doesn't make a ton of sense. Rudy seems to make more sense in the deal. For them and us.

 

[illmatic99]

Now I <3 Nic, but I'd most definitely trade him for Iggy.

 

[Wheels]

This.

lmao

 

[Minstrel]

Iguodala at point guard. That struck me as an odd thought, because my image of him was purely a wing...a 2/3. So I decided to see what basketball-reference had to say and his Assist Rate is actually pretty impressive. A bit below Brandon Roy, but consistently 20+. Definitely not "pure point guard" territory, but perhaps enough distributing to play point alongside a distributor like Roy.

Now that would really intrigue me. Giving up, say, Bayless, Rudy, Przybilla and either Outlaw or Webster for Iguodala and Dalembert.

It allows for a lot of interesting perimeters:

Iguodala/Roy/Batum [the hopeful long-term solution]
Miller/Roy/Iguodala
Batum/Roy/Iguodala
Miller/Iguodala/Batum [a running lineup]

This would be a "consolidation trade" I could definitely get excited about.

 

[Boob-No-More]

With all these trade talks involving the 76ers dumping salary, why doesn't Elton Brand's name get mentioned? He has a longer, much bigger contract (three more years after this one at a total of $51 million) than Dalembert (one more year at less than $13 million). And he doesn't even start. It seems like if Philadelphia's goal is to dump salary, it would be Brand, not Dalembert, packaged with Iguodala.

So, I think the key to anyone getting Iguodala would be the willingness to also take on Brand's enormous contract. Would the Blazers be willing to do that? Brand would give them the inside muscle they lack at the 4, but he's seriously overpaid, and will continue to be for three more years. Do the Blazers even have enough contracts to trade to match Iguodala's and Brand's salaries?

BNM

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

I like the thought of a starting unit that consisted of Iggy/Roy/Batum.

 

[craigehlo]

With all these trade talks involving the 76ers dumping salary, why doesn't Elton Brand's name get mentioned?

Because he's the worst contract in the NBA. I doubt the Wizards would trade Arenas for him right now.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Because he's the worst contract in the NBA. I doubt the Wizards would trade Arenas for him right now.

I'm looking at this from Philadelphia's point of view - which is exactly why they'd want to get rid of Brand. If I was their GM, I wouldn't entertain offers for Iguodala, unless Brand was also part of the package. Iguodala is too good to just give up to dump his salary. You only give him away of you can also dump at lot of additional salary - and that's where Brand comes in.

BNM