Portland (Most likely) won't trade for a ball dominating guard

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But you knew that already didn't you?

In the Madison Square Garden press room last week, I was talking with the two young whizzes from the Portland Trail Blazers' front office, Kevin Pritchard and Tom Penn, about the likelihood of them trading Raef LaFrentz' expiring contract before the Feb. 19 deadline. I raised the possibility of going after Davis if the Clippers remained in the tank, and they considered the notion for all of five seconds before determining that a player who needs the ball in his hands as much as Davis probably wouldn't be a good fit for them, as most of Portland's offense -- especially in the fourth quarter -- runs through Brandon Roy.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&page=dealssheridan-081213
 
Was that before or after KP said, "I can't talk about players on other teams"?
 
I think most of us knew this. Blake fits so good because he can do what PGs do, and be steady at it and not make mistakes, and then when Roy plays on ball (most of the time) he can go to the 3pt line and knock 'em down at a high clip.
 
MrJayremmie said:
I think most of us knew this. Blake fits so good because he can do what PGs do, and be steady at it and not make mistakes, and then when Roy plays on ball (most of the time) he can go to the 3pt line and knock 'em down at a high clip.
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Blake is only a good fit when his 3-pointer is falling. When that isn't clicking, he's a minus on the floor since he's a pretty average passer for a PG and his defense is overrated.

Baron Davis doesn't a lot of sense alongside Roy though since both like to dominate the ball.
 
Roy has two options:
learn to run a fast break and hit cutters in the half-court
learn to play off the ball

PERIOD

I'm sick of sucking at fast break points and points in the paint and being either a BRoy ISO or jumpshot team!
 
shamelessblazer said:
Roy has two options:
learn to run a fast break and hit cutters in the half-court
learn to play off the ball

PERIOD

I'm sick of sucking at fast break points and points in the paint and being either a BRoy ISO or jumpshot team!
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Roy can certainly play off the ball, the problem is with defenses smothering him and daring other Blazers to make plays. If a team knows that the ball is going to go to a certain guy - and no one else is a threat to score - it makes defending an off-the-ball scorer a whole lot easier.

As to running the fast break, Roy could certainly get better - but so could the whole team. It's not a strong suit of the Blazers - and it's a problem. If I recall correctly, the Clippers dominated the Blazers on points in transition the other night... and it's not the first time a team has had that aspect of the game to thank for a win.
 
What good does playing off the ball do if Blake is the one "on the ball"? If we had a really good PG on this team, ROy would be able to play off the ball for stretches just fine. Fact is, there's no reason to run him around and get him tired out like Rudy or Rip because we are a much better team with Roy controlling the ball than we are with Blake controlling the ball.
 
RR7 said:
If we had a really good PG on this team, ROy would be able to play off the ball for stretches just fine.
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Seeing Roy play alongside Chris Paul in the All-Star game was proof enough that Roy can play well with a PG that knows how to run the break.
 
More from the article.

Other notable Dec. 15 trade-eligible players:

Tony Allen, Celtics; Emeka Okafor, Bobcats; Luol Deng, Bulls; Daniel Gibson, Cavaliers; Delonte West, Cavaliers; J.J. Barea, Mavericks; Antoine Wright, Mavericks; J.R. Smith, Nuggets; Kwame Brown, Pistons; Ronny Turiaf, Warriors; Ricky Davis, Clippers; Sasha Vujacic, Lakers; Tyronn Lue, Bucks; Ryan Gomes, Timberwolves; Craig Smith, Timberwolves; Sebastian Telfair, Timberwolves; Keyon Dooling, Nets; Jarvis Hayes, Nets; Devin Brown, Hornets; James Posey, Hornets; Chris Duhon, Knicks; Mickael Pietrus, Magic; Andre Iguodala, 76ers; Louis Williams, 76ers; Matt Barnes, Suns; Beno Udrih, Kings; Roger Mason, Kurt Thomas; Spurs; Jose Calderon, Raptors.
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On that list, I'd like any of the guys I bolded.
 
craigehlo said:
Seeing Roy play alongside Chris Paul in the All-Star game was proof enough that Roy can play well with a PG that knows how to run the break.
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You can't be serious? He was playing alongside the greatest point guard in the NBA in a game where no one played defense.
 
We may not need another ball dominating guard, but we need a guard that can penetrate. We need some more easy buckets.
 
I really want to see more Bayless. While he got a few ticky tack fouls last game, he has all the physical tools to be a good starting guard next to Roy. I'd rather see what he can do than go after a guy like Conley or Baron Davis.
 
craigehlo said:
Seeing Roy play alongside Chris Paul in the All-Star game was proof enough that Roy can play well with a PG that knows how to run the break.
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Roy said afterwards that he didn't like it, that it would be hard to play with a PG like Chris Paul on the Blazers because he likes to dominate the ball.
 
I don't think the team neccessarily neads a player that dominates the ball to get a player that has the ability to attack the basket when he does get the ball.

Hypothetically if we had Chris Paul on this team he could easily bring the ball up the floor and get the team into it's offense. Roy could still be the focal point of the offense, and kick to Paul when teams double him. Then Paul could create for either himself or one of his teammates.
 
So is Blake a good fit when the game is on the line and you need to hit free throws? That's what I thought.

I think Nash is on the outs in PHX I say we pull the trigger. He does not always have to have the ball, and probably would like the fact that he could get some pressure relief with Roy in the game.
 
hasoos said:
I think Nash is on the outs in PHX I say we pull the trigger. He does not always have to have the ball, and probably would like the fact that he could get some pressure relief with Roy in the game.
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My straw man thinks Nash doesn't fit with the Blazers because he's entering the downward trend in his aging career. I disagree with my straw man and agree with you instead. I think Nash would make this Blazers team much, much better. He handles, he drives, he passes, and he shoots. There is much he can teach our young guards, and I have no doubt we would have a worthy replacement all loaded up if and when Nash was no longer up to the task. I'd love it.
 
KingSpeed said:
Roy said afterwards that he didn't like it, that it would be hard to play with a PG like Chris Paul on the Blazers because he likes to dominate the ball.
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Actually that wasn't what he said. He said he didn't know if it could work out, in a kind of "unoptimistic" way due to him needing to handle the rock.
 
If Nash goes into FA next year (team option I think and the MSP boys said that there is evidence to think that it may happen) then I would love to sign him as a FA. I think it would be awesome. Give him 2 years and a Team Option for 3... he would be great w/ Bayless. If we are going to do that, then we shouldn't pick up Blake's option though.

He would also do great at mentoring Sergio.
 
hasoos said:
So is Blake a good fit when the game is on the line and you need to hit free throws? That's what I thought.

I think Nash is on the outs in PHX I say we pull the trigger. He does not always have to have the ball, and probably would like the fact that he could get some pressure relief with Roy in the game.
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I wouldn't mind having Nash, but their Richardson move implies to me that they're trying to get one last push while Shaq's there to get a ring with that core of Nash/Shaq/Richardson, and then give everything over to Amare and whoever else is still around/whoever they can get at that point. They made a move to compete, and I doubt they'll just get rid of Nash for Raef/Outlaw/Sergio/whoever you think would be involved.
 
Yeah I highly doubt we could obtain Nash ina trade. It would have to be this off-season. I def. agree w/ LameR that they are making one last push.
 
Give me Jason Terry. Too bad the Mavericks aren't tanking it anymore.
 
LameR said:
I wouldn't mind having Nash, but their Richardson move implies to me that they're trying to get one last push while Shaq's there to get a ring with that core of Nash/Shaq/Richardson, and then give everything over to Amare and whoever else is still around/whoever they can get at that point. They made a move to compete, and I doubt they'll just get rid of Nash for Raef/Outlaw/Sergio/whoever you think would be involved.
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At the same time, name one good deal that Steve Kerr has made since he got there. I have a firm belief that when a bad GM is in power, you try to make as many deals as possible before they are fired in order to acquire their key talent.
 
hasoos said:
At the same time, name one good deal that Steve Kerr has made since he got there. I have a firm belief that when a bad GM is in power, you try to make as many deals as possible before they are fired in order to acquire their key talent.
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Kerr may not be a very inspired GM, but is unlikely to be crazy. Acquiring J-Rich, a win-now move, would hardly fit trading Nash for prospects. He clearly wants to win now...trading Nash would end that, making his two biggest moves (acquiring Shaq and Richardson) useless. Not that they were necessarily good moves, but I doubt he wants to render them completely useless.
 
Minstrel said:
Kerr may not be a very inspired GM, but is unlikely to be crazy. Acquiring J-Rich, a win-now move, would hardly fit trading Nash for prospects. He clearly wants to win now...trading Nash would end that, making his two biggest moves (acquiring Shaq and Richardson) useless. Not that they were necessarily good moves, but I doubt he wants to render them completely useless.
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At the same time, how many bad GM's do you think that wanted to render their team useless? Probably none. I am just saying, if they are there, and cutting deals, and there are players you would want, keep the phone line open. Because the main problem with most of the bad GM's, is they aren't patient, and will lose patience, and cut a bad deal.
 
Chris Paul is a ball dominating guard, and he looked damned good next to Roy in the All Star game last year. That was probably the best looking duo on either squad.

Anyway, at some point Nate is going to have to shake up the lineup a little more. The obvious move is to bench Batum, who is playing the worst of our starting 5. However, then you have to move Outlaw into the lineup, and he doesn't fit. Or you wait until Webster is back and ready to start, which at this rate could be February.

What other move could Nate do to shake things up a little? Start Przybilla? Yuck. Joel is better, but if Oden's head wasn't on right now, imagine what benching him will do. Nate needs to have faith that Oden will gain his confidence, timing and stamina, and let his future franchise center play through this.

Aldridge and Roy MUST start.

So that leaves Blake. If we continue to play pretty crappy for 3 or 4 more games, I bet we see Nate shake things up in a big way by benching Blake and moving Rodriguez into the starting position.

And there you go, we start the ball dominating guard we won't trade for.
 
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