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riverman said:
How many cops does it take to arrest a homeless man?
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Who said he was homeless? I only heard that he was shot at a homeless shelter. He could have been passing by there when he was accosted. I just don't know.
 
BigGameDamian said:
It will be on the next episode of cops. This is entertainment nowadays.
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I hate that show, Cops. It puts people's personal and desperate lives on TV for millions to watch. That just isn't right.
 
Lanny said:
Who said he was homeless? I only heard that he was shot at a homeless shelter. He could have been passing by there when he was accosted. I just don't know.
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I've addressed this....I misread it...
 
MarAzul said:
I can not tell anything from that video. Nor can I know what the cops know about the dude either.
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Have to watch it later. Second time I saw the guy they shot hiding and looking awfully suspicious. Still hard to tell.

Reminds me of them C4 robot bombing that guy in Texas.
 
Witnesses believe police justified in killing suspect at SE homeless shelter
Updated 1:24 PM;

Three witnesses to a fatal officer-involved shooting late Saturday night at a Southeast Portland homeless shelter say the man police killed had burst into the facility and was slashing and stabbing himself with a knife before he lunged at officers.



"It was horrific," said Morgan Thomas Pickering of Portland during an interview Sunday morning across the street from the Cityteam Ministries shelter on Southeast Grand Avenue. Pickering was waiting in the rain across the street from the shelter to retrieve his belongings. "We were all scared for our lives."

Pickering and the two other witnesses, both of whom declined to be identified and were checked into the facility at the time of the incident, all say the police were justified in shooting the man, who they say was acting erratically.

Police say the man who was shot was a suspect in an earlier carjacking.

Officers responded at 7:30 p.m. to a report of a crashed vehicle at Southeast Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard and Stark Street, according to police. When they arrived, the driver had fled.

Officers learned the a car, a silver Honda CRV, had been stolen in a carjacking earlier in the day, Sgt. Chris Burley, a Portland Police Bureau spokesman, told The Oregonian/OregonLive Saturday night.

Police during the search said they located the suspect inside the Cityteam Ministries Portland Shelter, a long-term and emergency homeless shelter.

Cityteam Portland Executive Director Mike Giering on Saturday said Alcoholics Anonymous meeting had just begun at the time of the shooting. The witnesses said the meeting was in progress when the suspect came through the door, shirtless.

One witness said a shelter employee gave the man a jacket. Shortly after, police arrived.

Pickering, who filmed part of the incident on his phone, said the man had a knife and was "stabbing himself in the neck."

Pickering and two others described the man as erratic and shouting, slashing and stabbing himself with a knife. They said police fired either rubber bullets or bean bags, but they didn't subdue the man, who then lunged at officers with the knife in his hand.

At that point, the witnesses said, officers shot him.

"Three, four, five shots," Pickering said. "He just dropped."

Medical responders determined the man was dead at the scene, police said.

Pickering called officers' action "absolutely 100 percent justified," adding, "Cops did everything right."

"I applaud their actions," he said. "They actually saved lives."

The two other witnesses echoed Pickering, calling the chaotic scene terrifying.

The men said buses took most of the between 30 and 40 people at the shelter to another location. Those who remained spent a cold night in the rain, waiting for their belongings to be released from the shelter Sunday morning.

At 8 a.m., the witnesses were still waiting while officers continued the investigation. The area remained closed to traffic.

Police have not identified the suspect. They have not said how many officers fired their weapons nor released the identifies of the officers involved. The officers have been placed on paid administrative leave until the investigation and a grand jury hearing have concluded, protocol for the bureau.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/...rget2box_default_#incart_target2box_targeted_
 
In the video the guy was no where near a cop with his knife...no cop seemed in eminent danger whatsoever...I'm not privy to the facts but seems that many cops could probably get some homeless guys to vouch for them for about 20 bucks apiece...if they were justified in killing the dude...it's not on this video in my view.
 
riverman said:
In the video the guy was no where near a cop with his knife...no cop seemed in eminent danger whatsoever...I'm not privy to the facts but seems that many cops could probably get some homeless guys to vouch for them for about 20 bucks apiece...if they were justified in killing the dude...it's not on this video in my view.
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The police, for better or worse, have a 25 foot rule when it comes to knives. If someone starts to move towards them, even a few steps, and they're within 25 feet, the police ROE says they are justified to shoot.

Whether you agree with it or not, that's their ROE.

That guy was acting very weird though. He looked out of it, like maybe he was on something. The first few pops were beanbags I think at the beginning of the video.
 
riverman said:
In the video the guy was no where near a cop with his knife...no cop seemed in eminent danger whatsoever...I'm not privy to the facts but seems that many cops could probably get some homeless guys to vouch for them for about 20 bucks apiece...if they were justified in killing the dude...it's not on this video in my view.
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I can't tell wtf is going on. I saw some people move to an area by him. Are there people hiding on the floor out of sight?

Need some bodycam footage from the guys on the far right entrance.....
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
I can't tell wtf is going on. I saw some people move to an area by him. Are there people hiding on the floor out of sight?

Need some bodycam footage from the guys on the far right entrance.....
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Such a weird situation.... people everywhere. The guy was acting weird. Tons of cops. Honestly.... too many cops. If I had one major complaint about how the police handled that, it was that there were entirely too many fucking cops in that one room. With that many people in such a confined space, and adrenaline pumping, this was bound to happen.

Edit - there was like 12 cops in that tiny room.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Such a weird situation.... people everywhere. The guy was acting weird. Tons of cops. Honestly.... too many cops. If I had one major complaint about how the police handled that, it was that there were entirely too many fucking cops in that one room. With that many people in such a confined space, and adrenaline pumping, this was bound to happen.

Edit - there was like 12 cops in that tiny room.
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Yeah, thought they might all shoot each other. Knowing he had a knife and not a gun that maybe explains why the seemed to just stand there waiting to get shot.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
Yeah, thought they might all shoot each other. Knowing he had a knife and not a gun that maybe explains why the seemed to just stand there waiting to get shot.
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They clearly fired as soon as he started moving forward, which follows their rules of engagement. I just think there was entirely too many people in there to actually de-escalate the situation. Dogs barking. 12 dudes screaming. Other people in there. I think the only reason why they didn't shoot him earlier was because there was people behind him.
 
Natebishop3 said:
They clearly fired as soon as he started moving forward, which follows their rules of engagement. I just think there was entirely too many people in there to actually de-escalate the situation. Dogs barking. 12 dudes screaming. Other people in there. I think the only reason why they didn't shoot him earlier was because there was people behind him.
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Everyone said that blowing up the black guy in Texas was justified even though he was cornered because he said he had bombs planted around the city. There were people in this building that were in much more clear and present danger than that situation had.
 
If we start (keep) mowing people down because “they’re acting weird” we will run out of land to put the dead bodies. Work or live in any urban area, any downtown/city in America and there are weird and wacked out people on every block. I wish they would just keep the person at bay, get the person down somehow and get them in cuffs. If they guy starts shooting your shoot back. But holding a knife from 20 feet away and we just kill people seems aggressive.
 
calvin natt said:
If we start (keep) mowing people down because “they’re acting weird” we will run out of land to put the dead bodies. Work or live in any urban area, any downtown/city in America and there are weird and wacked out people on every block. I wish they would just keep the person at bay, get the person down somehow and get them in cuffs. If they guy starts shooting your shoot back. But holding a knife from 20 feet away and we just kill people seems aggressive.
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I mean.... if you act weird after stealing a car and you're holding a knife...... yeah..... there's a chance you'll be shot.
 
The punishment for stealing a car and acting weird just probably shouldn’t be death is what I’m saying.
 
An execution.

Nobody was in any danger at the time police shot him, nor was he moving towards them or moving at all really. He was cornered and a large barrier between police and him made him attacking them pretty impossible.

No attempt was made to communicate with him, nor were tasers used.
 
MARIS61 said:
An execution.

Nobody was in any danger at the time police shot him, nor was he moving towards them or moving at all really. He was cornered and a large barrier between police and him made him attacking them pretty impossible.

No attempt was made to communicate with him, nor were tasers used.
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I'm not ready to condemn the police nor am I ready to condone them. I just don't know enough about it and it seems like no else has a clear idea about who was at fault, either.

But when you take a drug like angel dust or speed or Lord knows what else is out there and you walk around waving a knife, you just can't expect a pleasant result all the time.
 
calvin natt said:
So is the concern he would throw the knife?
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People have been known to continue charging with a knife even though they've been shot multiple times. I once knew a guy who visited me at my home and said I could shoot him in the heart with my Python 357 magnum and he'd still be able to cross the room and strangle me. I knew he had worked with troubled children at Tongue Point where he raped multiple young girls. He was one of the low lifes that had been on food stamps while he went through college. He later became a teacher at Seaside High School. I was in the lounge of American Legion Post 99 in Seaside where my stepdad was the financial officer and asked a guy at the bar if he knew him. This fella's response was yes, he's a terrific guy. I guess that shows what a con man can do.
 
riverman said:
jesus.....that many cops had to shoot this guy? It was a small army of armed cops....they couldn't take him alive?
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Easily? Fucking cowards
 
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