Portland Trail Blazers trade rumors: Multi-player deal only move for Rip City

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http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/2/17/5414166/portland-trail-blazers-trade-rumors-2014
By Dane Carbaugh
Rip City could use one more piece to solidify their bench, but their lack of usable assets might sink their hopes of a move at the trade deadline.

With Portland sure to be a playoff team, coach Terry Stotts has said publicly that he doesn't expect a roster change come the February 20 trade deadline. But with the team flailing and the recent injury to Joel Freeland, the Blazers might be forced into giving up some of their best young assets in an effort to solidify a legitimate chance at getting past the first round, something they haven't done since 2000.

Portland has struggled all year with their lack of depth in the low post, despite the rumors of an improved bench. Freeland made a magical transformation over the summer, going from one of the Blazers' worst team defenders to one of their best. His ability to shoot and contest shots without fouling has made him a crucial piece for Portland this season, but his recent injury could see him out until late March.

There was some talk before Freeland's injury that the Blazers could use another wing scorer, particularly off the dribble. In the second quarter of the season, teams have overplayed the Blazers' passing lanes and benefited from the fact that Damian Lillard and Mo Williams are the team's only true threats off the dribble. The return and success of rookie C.J. McCollum seems to have settled that issue a bit, and with Freeland out, the focus has turned back toward Portland's big men.

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Just bros being bros, bro.

The combination of Thomas Robinson and Meyers Leonard hasn't shown the ability to fill Freeland's shoes. Neither of them ready to defend consistently, and certainly not enough for the playoffs. If Blazers GM Neil Olshey makes a move for a wing at the deadline, he will be gambling that Freeland will be productive (and healthy) enough for sustain the Blazers through the playoffs.

Maintaining Flexibility

Portland has a long-term strategy they aren't ready to part with just yet. There's no shortage of scenarios they envisioned this summer, but jumping out to the hot start they did and leading the West was probably not at the top of their list.

Still, the Blazers won't be looking to add multiple years of salary unless they feel it is in line with that long-term plan. Portland has just six players and $27.7 million in salary committed in 2015-2016, and they will need to re-sign Wesley Matthews, LaMarcus Aldridge, Robin Lopez and work out an extension for Damian Lillard. Even if they do add a player of significance, they will have to weigh the possibility of that player's cap hit versus the ability to maintain the space they will need in the summer of 2015.

A bare cupboard

The Trail Blazers are in an unenviable position for a team with title contention hopes. As Dave at Blazersedge points out, they have no expiring contracts, near-term first round picks or young talent with proven production value.

That poses a significant problem when looking to get anyone of real impact or worthwhile return considering their future potential and cap significance. What Portland does have is young talent on rookie contracts. Will Barton, Meyers Leonard, Allen Crabbe, Thomas Robinson and C.J. McCollum are all tantalizing prospects for teams looking to move lower in this year's draft in a rebuilding effort.

While Leonard, McCollum and Robinson are the most valuable trade pieces, it would be hard to see the Trail Blazers trading two or all three of them without getting multiple players back who could reasonably fill their minute production. They are rotation players and, especially in the case of McCollum, are incredibly valuable not just to the Blazers in the long term but in the short term as well.

A likely trade scenario would involve one of those three players, a combination of Barton/Crabbe/Victor Claver and a distant first rounder for an impact player.

It is hard to see how the tight money, talent and draft pick situation in Portland could possibly yield a positive return for them in the near future without impacting their long-term plans. Olshey has been incredibly crafty in constructing this team, but it might be best for him to stand pat at the trade deadline lest he do something rash and ruin the Blazers most appealing element; their chemistry.
 
It is hard to see how the tight money, talent and draft pick situation in Portland could possibly yield a positive return for them in the near future without impacting their long-term plans. Olshey has been incredibly crafty in constructing this team, but it might be best for him to stand pat at the trade deadline lest he do something rash and ruin the Blazers most appealing element; their chemistry.

The Blazers should do something to contend, but don't have many assets except for young guys who may develop into something in the future, but maybe they shouldn't make a move because it might disrupt chemistry. Man, I love Internet "analysts".
 
Richard Hamilton is unsigned.

Rip to Rip City?

Nah. I don't think the team needs another SG/SF.
 
Only a trade could fuck up this team right now.
 
Only a trade could fuck up this team right now.

Right now, in February, the team is playing sub-.500 ball. Seems like they're doing a perfectly good job fucking themselves up without any outside help.
 
Right now, in February, the team is playing sub-.500 ball. Seems like they're doing a perfectly good job fucking themselves up without any outside help.

in addition we've just lost LMA for a week at least and Meyers for 2-3, we need one BIG at least. Heck cut Barton and pickup someone like Dwayne Dedmon or someone else
 
Right now, in February, the team is playing sub-.500 ball. Seems like they're doing a perfectly good job fucking themselves up without any outside help.

February? LOL.

You can always give a bad impression by limiting the scope of your statistics. NBA Basketball is not a game measured by monthly blocks of data.

It is measured by:
1. Individual games
2. Regular Season Record
3. Playoff Record

So far, so good.

Our bigs will be well-rested come playoff time, an enviable silver lining.
 
February? LOL.

You can always give a bad impression by limiting the scope of your statistics. NBA Basketball is not a game measured by monthly blocks of data.

It is measured by:
1. Individual games
2. Regular Season Record
3. Playoff Record

So far, so good.

Our bigs will be well-rested come playoff time, an enviable silver lining.

Okay sweet pea, in the last two months (21 games) they are 11-10. So we are BARELY playing .500 ball in the last two months. Maybe you didn't notice, but .500 ball doesn't get you in the playoffs. The Grizzlies are 30-23 right now and they're in 9th place.
 
Okay sweet pea, in the last two months (21 games) they are 11-10. So we are BARELY playing .500 ball in the last two months. Maybe you didn't notice, but .500 ball doesn't get you in the playoffs. The Grizzlies are 30-23 right now and they're in 9th place.

Exactly and how do some of these guys think the team will play with all these injuries? I keep hearing "chemistry" as a reason for not doing trades, well let me tell you what happens to chemistry if we keep losing lots of games - it deteriorates and is down the test tube.
 
Okay sweet pea, in the last two months (21 games) they are 11-10. So we are BARELY playing .500 ball in the last two months. Maybe you didn't notice, but .500 ball doesn't get you in the playoffs. The Grizzlies are 30-23 right now and they're in 9th place.

29 games left winning 1/2 = 14.5 wins
putting the blazers at 50 wins. which = playoffs.
 
29 games left winning 1/2 = 14.5 wins
putting the blazers at 50 wins. which = playoffs.

Freeland is out five or six weeks.

Leonard is out a couple weeks.

LA is out a week.

How exactly are we going to keep winning games?
 
Freeland is out five or six weeks.

Leonard is out a couple weeks.

LA is out a week.

How exactly are we going to keep winning games?

that is a completely different question than from what you earlier posted.

you said .500 ball doesn't get you into the playoffs. I simply said with stats that .500 ball if they were to continue playing there it would give them 50 wins and in the playoffs.
you made no inquires about injuries, neither did I. therefore that cannot come into play in your statement that .500 ball doesn't get you into the playoffs.



careful Nate, that may require too much thinking - don't assume


completely disrespectful. and to which I reply. die in a fire.
 
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that is a completely different question than from what you earlier posted.

you said .500 ball doesn't get you into the playoffs. I simply said with stats that .500 ball if they were to continue playing there it would give them 50 wins and in the playoffs.
you made no inquires about injuries, neither did I. therefore that cannot come into play in your statement that .500 ball doesn't get you into the playoffs.






completely disrespectful. and to which I reply. die in a fire.

You're assuming that the teams below us are playing .500 ball the rest of the way. Up until now, Phoenix is just a hair under .600, Golden State is .585, Dallas is at 58.2.

Also, the reason why I pointed out the injuries is because our team does not play well without LA. How did we finish the season last year?
 
You're assuming that the teams below us are playing .500 ball the rest of the way. Up until now, Phoenix is just a hair under .600, Golden State is .585, Dallas is at 58.2.

Also, the reason why I pointed out the injuries is because our team does not play well without LA. How did we finish the season last year?

.600 for the season is 49 wins. For us to miss the playoffs with 50 wins, Phoenix, Golden State and Dallas would all have to increase their win rates to better than .600 for the remainder of the year, and Memphis would have to go, what, 21-8 (.724)?

Not saying I'd be thrilled with .500 over the last 30 games, but it would still probably be good enough for the postseason.
 
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You're assuming that the teams below us are playing .500 ball the rest of the way. Up until now, Phoenix is just a hair under .600, Golden State is .585, Dallas is at 58.2.

Also, the reason why I pointed out the injuries is because our team does not play well without LA. How did we finish the season last year?

Alright you sir are starting to annoy me. But here lets go with this "hypothesis"

thought you were talking about the last 21 games only? not the entire season winning % like you just listed for those three teams.

but lets try this off the top of my head without the correct math and with your invalid hypothesis. knowing full well the blazers are 11wins 10 losses in their last 21 games. And you put the entire season winning % for Mavs, Warriors, and Suns.

The Blazers sit at 36 and 17. with 29 games remaining.
following your statement from previous posts.
If they play .500 ball the rest of the way they'd get 14 wins 14 losses with remainder of 1.
For sake of putting all 82 games in schedule and being the blazers have 11 wins and 10 losses in the last 21 games. lets say the extra goes to wins. so they'd have 15 wins 14 losses.
with a final record of 51 wins and 31 losses.

The Suns are currently at 31wins and 21 losses which equals a .600% win rate. So they have 30 games left on the season.
Now I was never really good at math but I believe 60% of 30 is 18 wins. and 12 losses.
Putting the Suns with a final record of 49 wins and 33 losses.
Below the Blazers 51 wins and 31 losses.

The Warriors aren't winning at .585% rate on the season anymore just like the Blazers aren't winning at .679% on the season.
But for the sake of YOUR argument lets say they win at .585% for the rest of their games.
They sit at 31 wins and 22 losses. Leaves them with 29 games left.
So .585% of 29 is 17.55. putting the Warriors with a finishing record of 48wins and 33 losses.
Which is only 81 games, being that the warriors in their last 10 are only 5-5 lets go with them finishing 48wins and 34 losses.

The Mavs are currently at 32 wins and 23 losses. Leaving them with 27 games left. 58% of 27 is 15.6 so lets go with 16 wins.
Being that the Mavs are 7-3 in their 10 games. They'd finish with a record of 48 wins and 34 losses.

Now I will also do this.
To make your hypothesis valid I will Take the Blazers SEASON winning % just like you did with these three teams here and put the record for the blazers.
The Blazers sit at 36 wins and 17 losses. with a SEASON winning % of .679.
The Blazers have 29 games left if they won at a .679% ratio the rest of the year they'd finish with a record of 19 wins and 10 losses.
Giving them a record of 55 and 27.

So I have a question for you, can tell while I was writing this up that I was annoyed I had to write it up? -.- Can you tell that it was annoying to me you only took the Blazers last 21 games. Then decided to take the season winning % of the Mavs/Warriors/Suns to back up your argument?

I will not include injuries in this post because Durant could go down next game and OKC would fall off the map. Same with all Superstar players.
The Blazers will struggle without Aldridge, but who knows they might surprise. Have been all season. or they might fall off the map.
Your statement was playing .500 ball does not get you in the playoffs. Just showed you with MATH it does.
/end tyvm.
 
.600 for the season is 49 wins. For us to miss the playoffs with 50 wins, Phoenix, Golden State and Dallas would all have to increase their win rates to better than .600 for the remainder of the year, and Memphis would have to go, what, 21-8 (.724)?

I'm not saying we're going to miss the playoffs, but the idea that our team is going to implode because of a trade is pretty ridiculous considering we're already playing pretty poorly. That was my point. Also, when I said that we're playing .500 ball and that .500 ball doesn't make the playoffs, I meant in general. That level of play isn't a playoff team. I wasn't specifically saying, "we're going to miss the playoffs."
 
Alright you sir are starting to annoy me. But here lets go with this "hypothesis"

thought you were talking about the last 21 games only? not the entire season winning % like you just listed for those three teams.

but lets try this off the top of my head without the correct math and with your invalid hypothesis. knowing full well the blazers are 11wins 10 losses in their last 21 games. And you put the entire season winning % for Mavs, Warriors, and Suns.

The Blazers sit at 36 and 17. with 29 games remaining.
following your statement from previous posts.
If they play .500 ball the rest of the way they'd get 14 wins 14 losses with remainder of 1.
For sake of putting all 82 games in schedule and being the blazers have 11 wins and 10 losses in the last 21 games. lets say the extra goes to wins. so they'd have 15 wins 14 losses.
with a final record of 51 wins and 31 losses.

The Suns are currently at 31wins and 21 losses which equals a .600% win rate. So they have 30 games left on the season.
Now I was never really good at math but I believe 60% of 30 is 18 wins. and 12 losses.
Putting the Suns with a final record of 49 wins and 33 losses.
Below the Blazers 51 wins and 31 losses.

The Warriors aren't winning at .585% rate on the season anymore just like the Blazers aren't winning at .679% on the season.
But for the sake of YOUR argument lets say they win at .585% for the rest of their games.
They sit at 31 wins and 22 losses. Leaves them with 29 games left.
So .585% of 29 is 17.55. putting the Warriors with a finishing record of 48wins and 33 losses.
Which is only 81 games, being that the warriors in their last 10 are only 5-5 lets go with them finishing 48wins and 34 losses.

The Mavs are currently at 32 wins and 23 losses. Leaving them with 27 games left. 58% of 27 is 15.6 so lets go with 16 wins.
Being that the Mavs are 7-3 in their 10 games. They'd finish with a record of 48 wins and 34 losses.

Now I will also do this.
To make your hypothesis valid I will Take the Blazers SEASON winning % just like you did with these three teams here and put the record for the blazers.
The Blazers sit at 36 wins and 17 losses. with a SEASON winning % of .679.
The Blazers have 29 games left if they won at a .679% ratio the rest of the year they'd finish with a record of 19 wins and 10 losses.
Giving them a record of 55 and 27.

So I have a question for you, can tell while I was writing this up that I was annoyed I had to write it up? -.- Can you tell that it was annoying to me you only took the Blazers last 21 games. Then decided to take the season winning % of the Mavs/Warriors/Suns to back up your argument?

I will not include injuries in this post because Durant could go down next game and OKC would fall off the map. Same with all Superstar players.
The Blazers will struggle without Aldridge, but who knows they might surprise. Have been all season. or they might fall off the map.
Your statement was playing .500 ball does not get you in the playoffs. Just showed you with MATH it does.
/end tyvm.

Good grief... you guys get so worked up.

Maris was saying that a trade would fuck the team up. I said that we're playing sub-.500 ball, so there's no much to fuck up at this point. I said that .500 ball wouldn't make the playoffs to illustrate that the three teams below us are all above .500. I wasn't specifically saying that we won't make the playoffs, though it's still possibly for us to miss at this point.
 
Seems like pure speculation and no actual rumors.

Yeah....not exactly sure where the rumor part is. Looks like the guy just cut and paste a lot of what has been posted here and other places. Yawn...

:matrix:
 
oh and btw I guess because i'm a very smart guy -.-

sub-.500 is below .500 winning %. Not above. The Blazers aren't there yet.
go google if you don't believe me.


/e and why is it someone has to get worked up before you admit you were wrong in saying this.

Okay sweet pea, in the last two months (21 games) they are 11-10. So we are BARELY playing .500 ball in the last two months. Maybe you didn't notice, but .500 ball doesn't get you in the playoffs. .
 
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oh and btw I guess because i'm a very smart guy -.-

sub-.500 is below .500 winning %. Not above. The Blazers aren't there yet.
go google if you don't believe me.

For February we are playing sub-.500 ball, which is what I said. Go google it.
 
For February we are playing sub-.500 ball, which is what I said. Go google it.


Okay sweet pea, in the last two months (21 games) they are 11-10. So we are BARELY playing .500 ball in the last two months. Maybe you didn't notice, but .500 ball doesn't get you in the playoffs. The Grizzlies are 30-23 right now and they're in 9th place.

/done I was trying to be respectful. says nothing to do with FEB.
Go hit page 1.
 

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