Possible FA replacements/signings

[chuckd3534]

If all things were equal, cap hit around 3 mill, I rather have Ehrhoff also, but I do like Fayne as well. He is a right shot while Ehrhoff is a left shot. Ehrhoff is 32 while Fayne is 27. And Fayne is bigger and more physical, which is something we need.

I think Fayne's best days may be ahead of him. Not sure I can say the same about Ehrhoff, but his time with awful Buffalo might be a total toss away.

Clearly Ehrhoff is more offensive, but I happen to think we need a big physical guy more than an offensive guy as McDonagh and maybe even Moore grow offensively. Plus I bet Ehrhoff goes for more money than Fayne as well.

I will say this, I would take either of those guys at 3 mill or so over Stralman at 4 mill or so, and I bet Stralman gets more years as well.

 

[SaveLundy]

Id be for signing both Fayne and Ehrhoff not signing Strahlman and trading Klein for a forward or a pick/prospect.

 

[Disturbed]

I went to capgeek and did the armchair GM.....Not sure how realistic this stuff is but when you actually look at the team and contracts thru the site you can see the challenge Sather has with $69m limit

Here are the players I signed:

RFA's:
Kreider $2.2.m cap hit
Brassard $4m cap hit
Zuc $3.1m cap hit
Moore $1.2m cap hit

UFA's:
Paul Statsny $7.5m cap hit
Mason Raymond $2m cap hit
Ryan Carter $1.1m cap hit
Christian Ehrhoff: $3m cap hit

Promoted JT Miller $850k cap hit
Promoted Dylan McIlrath $700k cap hit

Traded Klein for picks

Still need to get a 4th line RW - Have about $1.3m left in cap space

Nash-Statnsy-Kreider
Hagelin-Stepan-St Louis
Zuc-Brassard-Raymond
Carter-Miller-TBD

McDonough-Girardi
Staal-Erhoff
Moore-McIlrath

Lundqvist/Talbot

 

[chuckd3534]

Very tight. That is a good team, but who knows if those numbers will work. Ehrhoff for 3. Kreider for 2.2. MZA for 3.1. Brass for 4. Raymond for 2. Plus we'd have to flip Klein as well. All of that and we still have very little room to complete the team, and have any extra skaters at all.

It is tight. Even 1 mill more would have been a huge help.

Now I do think some of this is posturing by Sather and we will add a C for sure after we mix and match with some of the UFA's/RFA's, but who knows what will really happen in 2 days.

I will be very surprised if we signed Stastny though. We are not even mentioned with him right now. If he leaves the Avs it will be for a big money LONG term deal. He already said he'd give the Avs the chance to match any deal. And I am not sure Sather really thinks he is worth that money, I know I don't.

 

[Disturbed]

Yeah. I think some of those numbers are realistic. Some are not.

Statsny at 7.5m is about right. Brass at 4m is right. Moore 1.2m is right. Carter at 1.1 is right.

Zuc might get more than 3.1. Erhoff likely will get more then 3m. Kreider might get closer to 3m. Raymond was a bargain at 1m last year he might get 2.5-3m

This exercise definitely shows that 71m ceiling would be way better.


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[Disturbed]

BTW I agree with you on Statsny. But his cap hit will be 7.0-7.5m regardless of where he signs I think.


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[chuckd3534]

No doubt. Between 70 and 71 mill, which is where I thought the cap would be set, would be a huge help to us.

On the flip side, the Pens and Flyers are also up against it, so they have to deal with the same issues we do, albeit with less FA's.

 

[chuckd3534]

BTW I agree with you on Statsny. But his cap hit will be 7.0-7.5m regardless of where he signs I think.


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Agreed, the number is right there.

It does show that if we get creative we can add a C. Maybe not one at 7, but someone in the 6's is possible and we can finish the team off. That is why I do think we add another C. Doubt we go with Step/Brass/Miller as our 1-3. That should be 2-4 next year.

 

[Disturbed]

Yeah if we get a real #1 and bring back Brass suddenly we have a great 1-4 mix at C


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[mrmel29]

Guys how does kreids and zucc possibly being arbitration eligible change things for them salary wise for us?

 

[Disturbed]

According to the Post they are both arbitration eligible which means they could sign 1 year deals and be UFA's in 2015. That would not be good

 

[theProdigy223]

Dis your TBD on the 4th is probably going to be Carcillo at a hit just under a million. That what all the talking heads see happening at least.

Do we really see Miller as a 4th line guy? And I think Brassard is going to end up closer to 4.5...do we really want to pay a 3rd C that? Maybe we can flip Brassard for relief, that'll give us room to grab Stasny and bring back D.Moore for the 4th.

Stasny-Stepan-Miller-Moore could work.

 

[Disturbed]

Yeah Miller is prob more of a 3 then a 4 but I really don't want to lose Brassard. He had great chemistry with Zuc, that was our best line last year. I think Pouliot is replaceable, Brassard they need IMO

 

[mrmel29]

According to the Post they are both arbitration eligible which means they could sign 1 year deals and be UFA's in 2015. That would not be good

So if thats the case and I think it is also why would either of them sign a bridge contract. We need both especially kreider and slats is gonna have to ante up a lot more than the 2.2 I'm reading in the papers for kreider

 

[chuckd3534]

I don't think it works that way. Look at O'Reilly on the Avs. He can't become a UFA until after two more seasons, not after next season.

Kreider is young, and UFA status doesn't come naturally until after a player is 27, so I doubt he can be a UFA after next season just by going to arbitration this summer.

I am not 100% sure how it works, but I see no way the NHL owners allow players like Kreider to go to arbitration once and then become UFA's at 23 or 24.

Now if it does go to arbitration, which I doubt for Zucc and Kreider, and the Rangers walk from the award, then Kreider becomes a UFA right now, but that won't happen.

 

[chuckd3534]

MAYBE this is how it works.

When you actually go through arbitration the arbitrator offers the player 1 and 2 year deals after hearing the case. Whichever deal the player selects becomes binding UNLESS the team declines the award and then the player becomes a UFA right then and there.

SO if the player accepts the 1 year deal instead of the 2 year deal maybe that means the next summer he is an RFA again (unless he is 27 by the following July 1st), and then he can go through arbitration again potentially, but can select the 1 year deal and then become a UFA the following season.

That is why at 23 O'Reilly would have to wait two more seasons to become a UFA if he goes through arbitration this summer. I would guess it is the same for Kreider if he gets all the way to arbitration, which is unlikely. He could be a UFA in two seasons I THINK.

Both Brassard and MZA will be 27 by next July 1st, so I am thinking if they just take 1 year deals this summer, they will both be UFA's next summer no matter what (arbitration or simply agreeing to a 1 year deal without arbitration).

That's a guess by me, but seems to make sense.