Possible the Rangers aren't that good???
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Stepupstepan
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I think he brings more than a just 3rd line guy.
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If your assumption was correct the Pens would win the Cup every year as those in the know predict. I believe the President's Cup winner still only wins the trophy that matters 1/3 of the time and if you look through the years, most SC winners do only have 1 great scoring line, maybe 2 and then grinders to kill time while the scorers rest. Sather has been adding 20 goal scorers for over a decade, they just cease being such when they don the Blueshirt. I have wanted that Beukeboom-style crease clearer for decades, that has been the one untested variable during Sather's tenure of mediocrity.
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the team stinks, there is NO OFFENSIVE SKILL PERIOD.
the team should have kept torts, they would be better trying to win 2 - 1 games than run and gun with other teams offenses
the team should have kept torts, they would be better trying to win 2 - 1 games than run and gun with other teams offenses
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Callahan is a 3rd liner, Stepan is soft, Lundqvist stinks, who is consistent on this team?
Haven't had time to post due to a new job, but saw this thread and wanted to respond with my 2 cents. Many say we need 1 more something, goal scorer, crease clearer, etc. I'm trying to look at the team objectively, and just don't think collectively they're that good. It's a bad mix. I like most individuals, but overall team speed is quite slow. A few individuals are fast, but really, Stepan, Richards, Boyle, Pyatt, the 4th line, all extremely slow. McD is a GREAT skater Moore is pretty fast, but rest of dmen are average skaters. Overall team is small and not very tough. Add in no enforcers, crease clearers, few heart and guts players. Too slow to play with fast teams, too small and weak to play the tough teams. They're an average, middle of the pack team at best, with a great goalie (not so far this year) who makes them look better than what they would otherwise be. Their best player (Nash) is good but not great, injury prone since he's been here, and not a leader. Sorry guys, they're just not a great team, and it has to fall on Sather. We got to the ECF with a team that played like a team, with guts and heart, and for each other. They're nothing like that now, and not enough talent, speed, size, and toughness to overcome it. Like someone said in another post, there's a few core guys that we could build around, and a major trade or overhaul is needed. Not trying to be a downer, just looking at it honestly. They might make the playoffs and become a decent team this year, but they are no where near championship caliber.
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this team was built for defensive hockey. I don't care what anyone says about the system. They are not talented enough to play pond hockey with some of these teams. they do not have the offensive talents. they are grinders, that is why Torts had his system the way it was. We will see what transition will come about, but I think the roster is going to have to be remade to play the type of game AV wants.
Couldn't agree more. I used to like Torts but did sour on him last year and still felt he had to go. His doghouse, pp, and a few other things made it clear it to me it was time to go. I have no doubt they will improve from what they are now. I don't think they're a bad team, just not a great team. If Vancouver struggles, maybe there will be some kind of swap between the two.
Dis, i think he meant a player trade between the teams
Under no circumstances should Torts be back
LOL - My bad guys. Sorry 62, didnt mean to disrespect you so much. This board is in meltdown mode just not as bad as I thought
BTW, I think its a bit of a stretch to say Nash is injury prone. He has missed 68 games in his career over 10 years. That is far from perfect but he plays a pretty physical game I dont think that is bad. He generally misses 4-7 games a year historically. How exactly is that "injury prone". It's not like he is missing 20+ games every other year
Not a problem Dis. The last 2 games have been brutal and everyone is probably a little unwound. As far as Nash, I specifically said since he's been here. He had the groin issue to start last season, then a concussion, now another concussion. There might have been something else in there too. Props to him for trying to play through it all, and maybe that's why he's had stretches where he didn't play too well. The concussions could start becoming a problem. When you get one, each succeeding one makes you more susceptible to another. I'm a little worried about it.
I worry about concussions too....But the only issue I had with Nash last year was his playoffs which were horrible. He was great in the regular season. He scored 21 goals many of them in tight games in the 3rd.
His playoffs were horrific that is concern. Hopefully no more head shots
No doubt he had a lot of 3rd period goals. He also had a lot of goals in stretches, then long periods with nothing. He disappeared at the end of the season, then carried that into the playoffs. I don't remember when he had his concussion. Was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt that his bad stretches came when he wasn't feeling too well. Amazing that he gets his 2nd concussion in less than a year while with NYR. I don't remember hearing he ever had one before.
Maybe so but losing Nash and getting outscored 15-2 in 2 games might just provoke some changes.
At any rate I am not going to assess our window of a championship team after 4 games
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You are the best sc. Just sit back and wait. In 2025 when we still haven't won anything we should all get together for beers. We will give you a shirt that says be patient...sit back and relax...
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See that's where you guys are caught in the Sather/NY web, you need to look past this year, it ain't happening no matter what limited moves they can finagle out of DZ(rolls eyes)and a few B-prospects. It's about using next year to get AV caliber FA's and get some of these young guys up to speed. Not looking ahead leaves you caught in THESTEALTHWEB!!
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In 3 years we may be there sc. Let's keep hope alive. You have the 3 year plan. I like it.
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So you're still expecting this team to make enough magical moves to contend for a SC this year? That's stage 1 of SC's self-denial plan I'm trying to get you through.
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You don't get it do you. I am not saying you are wrong. I am not saying we are winning a cup this season (although I will not make that call after 4 games). What I am saying is the sit back passive fan attitude is done here. Just wait...and wait...and wait. Tomorrow never comes. All we do is wait as Ranger fans. Enough is enough.
So I am not saying your message is flat out wrong. I am saying enough of the waiting BS. We as fans should be fed up with this organization and hold them accountable for a winner NOW.
So I am not saying your message is flat out wrong. I am saying enough of the waiting BS. We as fans should be fed up with this organization and hold them accountable for a winner NOW.
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Right and I agree with being angry, but looking realistically at what we're dealing with today we can only HOPE that after some of this garbage is off the team the new staff and system, and player choices will add to some good players that are here. I just think alot of fans went into this year thinking it was on paper a contending team when they're still way behind the top 4-5 teams in the league. I've been on the 3-4 year plan since last year not because it's passive but because we're stuck with 30% of the roster being very poor and those contracts had to expire. That's why I think GS has to step away since I don't think he knows what he's doing in FA, or dosen't want to take the time examining it, or whatever. That kills certain aspects of the team.
What gives me hope is they do have a new coach/system in place that works in todays NHL, plus they have 7-8 pieces to build around, but they have to get FA right in the next year or two and make sure the prospects develop as best they can to add cheap depth. Whether that all comes together in a year or two or three, who knows?
What gives me hope is they do have a new coach/system in place that works in todays NHL, plus they have 7-8 pieces to build around, but they have to get FA right in the next year or two and make sure the prospects develop as best they can to add cheap depth. Whether that all comes together in a year or two or three, who knows?
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What's one or two more years if we finally get rewarded with a real looking hockey team that can make a run for a few years under AV? I'm not a NYY fan but I see alot of the same traits in Ranger fans as they have, not willing to sacrifice 2-3 years to develop youngsters like they did in the early 90's which made them successful. They also added good FA which we unfortunately haven't really done since 1994.
