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BonesJones said:
You do realize the two first rounders they'd trade would be between 26-30, and the 2nd rounder they get is likely to be between 30-40? So it's essentially one late 1st rounder and downgrading a pick by 10 spots or so. They already have a ton of 1sts as well, and early 2nds are better from a contractual standpoint than late firsts.

He's at a position of need, and has an expiring contract which makes him eligible for their traded player exception, which he fits perfectly into salary wise.
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Even the two firsts are late, never ever a team trade two picks for a limited center who only can rebound and a Second rounder.
 
Wouldn't surprise me if somehow Ginger showed up.


Our roster is a clusterfuck, though, so I'm not sure what they can do
 
AFully22 said:
Harkless for Mirotic makes a whole lot of sense. Both teams would be better because of it. And I honestly think that in a better system and organization Mirotic has starter level talent. I’ve seen too many games where he goes off to believe he’s a bust like they have him labeled in Chicago.
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Chicago has tried to make him into just a shooter but he’s got more to his arsenal. I’ve watched him play at Real Madrid and he had a Gallinari type offensive game. Our bench is desperate for another scorer and he’d fit. He’s also a good team defender and has a high IQ. His numbers are only inconsistent because of his role. If you look at his percentages, they go up the more he plays. When he’s gettinn at least 25 minutes he produces at a high level.
 
BonesJones said:
You always say I'm trading out too much from the Blazers so what are you saying now?

Davis to BOS is the best trade they could make for their injury exception. they have a plethora of picks. Trading 2 late firsts for Davis and an early 2nd is feasible for them.
As far as ORL goes, they have Isaac as their SF of the future, and Simmons doesn't fit their timeline. They have a plethora of wings and could use the trade to open up PT to try to see if they can get Herzonja going. Three first round picks for them is a pretty good haul.

If I'm Portland, I'd think about offering a 2021 1st or some other asset to sweeten it even more for ORL (if they need it).
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Your trade is insane man come on. We give up a non lottery pick, a free agent to be, a second round pick, and EVAN TURNER and we get back Evan Fournier AND Jonathan Simmons??

And why would Orlando try and get Hezonja going, he’s a pending free agent there’s no reason for them to waste their time with him anymore. Isaac and Ross are out and he still doesn’t get off the bench. We could get him for next to nothing.
 
BonesJones said:
BOS Gets: Ed Davis, 2019 MIN/LAL 2nd (POR)
POR Gets: Evan Fournier, Jonathan Simmons
ORL Gets: Evan Turner, 2018 BOS 1st, 2019 POR 1st, Worst out of all 2019 BOS 1sts)
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That's really bad. You basically ask the Celtics to do the job so the Blazers get the players. Are we their parent club or something?

And Magic declined the option to Hezonja, I'm pretty sure they know enough about his potential.
 
Labinot41 said:
Mozgov from Denver was better than Davis today, and the cavs where in win now because of lebron, the celtics are still young and develope their Talents (Tatum, Brown). Ainge is not Griffin to trade two firsts for a player who can only rebound and is going to be a free Agent in summer
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Mozgov was better? He and his career 5.6PPG at the time? Nah, he wasn't. Davis is one of the top 5 offensive rebounders in the league. He's also the only good option for their injured player exception, which can only be traded for an expiring player, and the only need a big man.

The Celtics, at 20-4 (or whatever their record is), aren't in win now mode?

You keep acting as if these aren't very low 1st rounders. You're acting is if they aren't getting a high 2nd roumder back. You're saying Griffin won't trade the equivalent of De'Anthony Melton and Immanuel Quickly for Ed Davis and N'Doye Abdoulaye. Seriously? Whoever they get between 25-30 is very likely to never help Boston. They already have too many young prospects as it is. Try to look deeper into context.
 
GDiama said:
That's really bad. You basically ask the Celtics to do the job so the Blazers get the players. Are we their parent club or something?

And Magic declined the option to Hezonja, I'm pretty sure they know enough about his potential.
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Ed Davis is a good fit. But fine, since everybody keeps getting tripped up over the 5 pick difference between Bostons worst 2019 1st and LALs 2019 2nd, have BOS ship over only their 2018 1st.

I have no doubt that they'd trade their 2018 or 2019 1st for Davis. We could turn that and picks of our own into someone extremely useful (Fournier/Simmons).
 
Scalma said:
Your trade is insane man come on. We give up a non lottery pick, a free agent to be, a second round pick, and EVAN TURNER and we get back Evan Fournier AND Jonathan Simmons??

And why would Orlando try and get Hezonja going, he’s a pending free agent there’s no reason for them to waste their time with him anymore. Isaac and Ross are out and he still doesn’t get off the bench. We could get him for next to nothing.
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I know the Herzonja situation.

We have the benefit of having the best piece for Boston's exception. That could get us extra value to flip. I don't think Orlando will hold onto Fournier much longer.
 
BonesJones said:
Ed Davis is a good fit. But fine, since everybody keeps getting tripped up over the 5 pick difference between Bostons worst 2019 1st and LALs 2019 2nd, have BOS ship over only their 2018 1st.

I have no doubt that they'd trade their 2018 or 2019 1st for Davis. We could turn that and picks of our own into someone extremely useful (Fournier/Simmons).
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I don't think thats what they are questioning.

They are questioning why Evan Turner gets us two solid players in return, and why Orlando would even do that. That is a solid reason why Orlando wouldnt do it. And shouldnt do it.

Boston does it in a heartbeat... Orlando is like "cool, an overpaid player and late round picks for players that still have more value than we're getting back" ... I dunno.
 
I see a lot of trades involving Harkless, Turner and Meyers being discussed around the internet. And those trades only work if the opposing GM is smoking crack, which is doubtful. I think Olshey can swing a decent trade with Davis and Napier to a playoff contender, both will be gone next year anyway. And we aren't contending this year, so maybe a trade with a team for a young projectable forward? But trading for a former first round pick that is being underused by another team will just bring us a low ceiling bust we will have to overpay.
 
BonesJones said:
Ed Davis is a good fit. But fine, since everybody keeps getting tripped up over the 5 pick difference between Bostons worst 2019 1st and LALs 2019 2nd, have BOS ship over only their 2018 1st.

I have no doubt that they'd trade their 2018 or 2019 1st for Davis. We could turn that and picks of our own into someone extremely useful (Fournier/Simmons).
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Lol ok.
 
No team is giving a 1st rounder for Ed Davis. A first rounder is way too valuable an asset these days for front offices. Also it limits your flexibility the next season due to the Stepien rule.
 
Scalma said:
I expect to see some movement by Portland before/at the deadline. Upcoming free agents, not enough money to go around, luxury tax, surplus of big men. The only surprise would be if Olshey stood pat.

So what’s our roster going to look like? Who stays, who goes?

I’ll play

Nikola Mirotic becomes eligible to be traded January 15th. He wants out, it’s evident, and it’s in everyone’s best interest to move on. His replacement is already on the roster in Markkanen. The bulls are rebuilding. They have a hole at small forward.

Mirotic to Portland for Harkless.

Gives us a shooter off the bench who fits Stotts system. He has a team option for next season on his contract so it gives Olshey flexibility. Mirotic may also have a trade kicker, but we can probably get him to waive it.

Phoenix is also a rebuilding side. Monroe and Len are both unrestricted free agents. They have cap space to absorb a contract.

Meyers and Davis for Tyson Chandler. Add a second if need be.

These two moves plus dumping Napier without taking any salary back gets us under the luxury tax I believe. I could be wrong.

My post deadline roster:

PG: Lillard, Baldwin
SG: McCollum, Connaughton, Wilcox
SF: Aminu, Turner, Layman
PF: Vonleh, Mirotic, Swanigan
C: Nurkic, Chandler, Collins
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Any of your moves won't happen
 
Neil kill us. He's gonna do something or try too. We need a move quick. Turner can't play
 
craigehlo said:
No team is giving a 1st rounder for Ed Davis. A first rounder is way too valuable an asset these days for front offices. Also it limits your flexibility the next season due to the Stepien rule.
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Yeah, Boston would have real trouble trading one of their four first rounders.

And BOS is the only teen that would, due to their unique combination of an injured player exception that can only be used on an expiring player, their need for a big man, as well as their very late 1st and plethora of other picks.

BOS has way too many firsts. They're not gonna keep them all.
 
Strenuus said:
I don't think thats what they are questioning.

They are questioning why Evan Turner gets us two solid players in return, and why Orlando would even do that. That is a solid reason why Orlando wouldnt do it. And shouldnt do it.

Boston does it in a heartbeat... Orlando is like "cool, an overpaid player and late round picks for players that still have more value than we're getting back" ... I dunno.
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Yeah, I say offer another 1st so ORL Gets 4. And maybe just ask for Fournier. If there's any way we could switch Evans we need to do it.
 
If I was Boston I would just combine the picks to move up and get the player they want. No need to keep all of them. If they find a big man in the draft they are golden for years. I wish we had their problems.
 
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