Post draft/Pre FA Roster

[hoopsjock]

Question for all you smart people... Is there a way to get another team to sign and then trade Kanter to us? Really want him back but I'm sure the MLE isn't going to do it.

No, you can't do that. Any free agent signings can't be traded until December 15th (or in some cases January 15th).

 

[wizenheimer]

How much do the blazers have to clear to open up the full MLE? Isn’t it around 2M? Or is Layman’s QO not part of Portland’s payroll

that's a little difficult to say, but no, Layman's QO isn't going to help

right now, counting Little's guarantee, Portland will be around 130M for 11 players (131M with a roster charge). And that doesn't count Layman. The Apron is 138M and the full-MLE is 9.3M while using it hard-caps the Blazers

Portland probably needs to be in the 120M range of guarantees and dead salary to comfortably use the full-MLE

 

[GhostOfPGA]

Hope Portland is looking to bring in Louis King

STOMP

He’s the guy who can be Rodney Hood for us, with more range and not as much post game.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

One of my quibbles with Olshey is that he decided to forgo future flexibility for present flexibility by stretching some guys out.

We'd be in much better straits if we didn't have Nicolson's 2.8, Varajeo's 1.9, and Ezeli's 0.3 mil dead money on our cap every year.

That's also my concern with some of the posters here. They want to take on long term horrible contracts on mediocre players
because they're tired of our finally-oh-god-finally-expirings. Every move that should be made should be measured against
"is it better than letting ET and Biebs expire?"

 

[hoopsjock]

How much do the blazers have to clear to open up the full MLE? Isn’t it around 2M? Or is Layman’s QO not part of Portland’s payroll

$127,931,341
Dame
CJ
Nurk
Leonard
Harkless
ET
Collins
Simons
Trent
Skal
Layman's QO/Cap Hold (about $1.9)

Add $1.8 million for Little and we're at $129,731,341 with 12 guys.

Hard Cap is expected to be about $138 million.

With Nurk hurt we almost have to carry 15 guys so we'd have about $8.3 million of the MLE to sign 3 guys. So cutting Layman out of the equation we have roughly $10.2 million to sign 4 guys and couldn't exceed that amount for any reason until the new league year starts in July of 2020.

In order to sign someone to the Full-MLE we'd need to clear enough to sign whatever roster spots are left to minimum contracts, keeping in mind that the longer serviced players count more against the cap for minimum contracts.

 

[hoopsjock]

$127,931,341
Dame
CJ
Nurk
Leonard
Harkless
ET
Collins
Simons
Trent
Skal
Layman's QO/Cap Hold (about $1.9)

Add $1.8 million for Little and we're at $129,731,341 with 12 guys.

Hard Cap is expected to be about $138 million.

With Nurk hurt we almost have to carry 15 guys so we'd have about $8.3 million of the MLE to sign 3 guys. So cutting Layman out of the equation we have roughly $10.2 million to sign 4 guys and couldn't exceed that amount for any reason until the new league year starts in July of 2020.

In order to sign someone to the Full-MLE we'd need to clear enough to sign whatever roster spots are left to minimum contracts, keeping in mind that the longer serviced players count more against the cap for minimum contracts.

Or we just convince Hood (or Kanter) to sign for the tax-MLE and it solves most of our problems as long as Jody doesn't mind paying tax.

 

[hoopsjock]

One of my quibbles with Olshey is that he decided to forgo future flexibility for present flexibility by stretching some guys out.

We'd be in much better straits if we didn't have Nicolson's 2.8, Varajeo's 1.9, and Ezeli's 0.3 mil dead money on our cap every year.

That's also my concern with some of the posters here. They want to take on long term horrible contracts on mediocre players
because they're tired of our finally-oh-god-finally-expirings. Every move that should be made should be measured against
"is it better than letting ET and Biebs expire?"

The issue with not stretching those contracts is that we'd be either in or close to being in the repeater tax this season had we not done that. I'm not disagreeing with you exactly but there was some benefit to stretching those guys. Also, last year we wouldn't have been able to sign Kanter because Nicholson would've been taking up a roster spot.

 

[Scalma]

$127,931,341
Dame
CJ
Nurk
Leonard
Harkless
ET
Collins
Simons
Trent
Skal
Layman's QO/Cap Hold (about $1.9)

Add $1.8 million for Little and we're at $129,731,341 with 12 guys.

Hard Cap is expected to be about $138 million.

With Nurk hurt we almost have to carry 15 guys so we'd have about $8.3 million of the MLE to sign 3 guys. So cutting Layman out of the equation we have roughly $10.2 million to sign 4 guys and couldn't exceed that amount for any reason until the new league year starts in July of 2020.

In order to sign someone to the Full-MLE we'd need to clear enough to sign whatever roster spots are left to minimum contracts, keeping in mind that the longer serviced players count more against the cap for minimum contracts.

Who has cap space this summer that could/would absorb Harkless and a pick?

 

[hoopsjock]

Who has cap space this summer that could/would absorb Harkless and a pick?

Lots of teams are possible, it depends on how free agency turns out.

 

[oldmangrouch]

One of my quibbles with Olshey is that he decided to forgo future flexibility for present flexibility by stretching some guys out.

We'd be in much better straits if we didn't have Nicolson's 2.8, Varajeo's 1.9, and Ezeli's 0.3 mil dead money on our cap every year.

That's also my concern with some of the posters here. They want to take on long term horrible contracts on mediocre players
because they're tired of our finally-oh-god-finally-expirings. Every move that should be made should be measured against
"is it better than letting ET and Biebs expire?"

That's a fair take. It needs to be balanced against the real fear that Olshey doubles down and offers one or more of those guys extensions.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

That's a fair take. It needs to be balanced against the real fear that Olshey doubles down and offers one or more of those guys extensions.

Sure. But if he does, fine. He gave Nurk $10 mil. Those guys are much less valuable than Nurk. If he gives them much less than that, all good.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Sure. But if he does, fine. He gave Nurk $10 mil. Those guys are much less valuable than Nurk. If he gives them much less than that, all good.

Nah. For Biebs at least I would expect something in the $15-20 million range. (and I am only half kidding)

 

[wizenheimer]

Add $1.8 million for Little and we're at $129,731,341 with 12 guys.

I have a question about that

this is from the CBA FAQ:

"There is a special procedure in place to phase-in a 45% increase to the rookie salary scales for the 2017-18 through 2019-20 seasons (15% per year over three years). There is a "baseline" scale for 2017-18 that does not include the 15% increase used for the actual 2017-18 rookie scale. For 2018-19 they first apply the percentage change in the salary cap from 2017-18 (as described above) to the 2017-18 baseline scale to create the 2018-19 baseline scale, and then they increase all resulting amounts by 30% to create the actual rookie scale. For 2019-20 they repeat the process, starting with the baseline scale for 2018-19, applying the cap percentage increase or decrease to create the 2019-20 baseline scale, and then applying a 45% increase to create the 2019-20 rookie scale."

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q47

the baseline scale for the 25th pick in 2018-19 was $1,468,400. The cap is increasing by about 8%, so the new baseline would be $1,585,872. Above, it says they jack that up by 45% to establish the current baseline. But that 2018-19 baseline already has a 30% bump so I'm thinking either the FAQ has something wron or I'm a moron reading things wrong. Applying just the 15% bump for the final year gets the 'new' baseline to 1.82M. Then there is the almost automatic 20% bump teams are allowed which would jump the salary to 2.19M

I guess that 20% bump wouldn't have to happen yet if Portland needed every penny of margin for free agency, but if they were headed for a hard cap, it wouldn't matter

what am I getting wrong here?

 

[hoopsjock]

I have a question about that

this is from the CBA FAQ:

"There is a special procedure in place to phase-in a 45% increase to the rookie salary scales for the 2017-18 through 2019-20 seasons (15% per year over three years). There is a "baseline" scale for 2017-18 that does not include the 15% increase used for the actual 2017-18 rookie scale. For 2018-19 they first apply the percentage change in the salary cap from 2017-18 (as described above) to the 2017-18 baseline scale to create the 2018-19 baseline scale, and then they increase all resulting amounts by 30% to create the actual rookie scale. For 2019-20 they repeat the process, starting with the baseline scale for 2018-19, applying the cap percentage increase or decrease to create the 2019-20 baseline scale, and then applying a 45% increase to create the 2019-20 rookie scale."

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q47

the baseline scale for the 25th pick in 2018-19 was $1,468,400. The cap is increasing by about 8%, so the new baseline would be $1,585,872. Above, it says they jack that up by 45% to establish the current baseline. But that 2018-19 baseline already has a 30% bump so I'm thinking either the FAQ has something wron or I'm a moron reading things wrong. Applying just the 15% bump for the final year gets the 'new' baseline to 1.82M. Then there is the almost automatic 20% bump teams are allowed which would jump the salary to 2.19M

I guess that 20% bump wouldn't have to happen yet if Portland needed every penny of margin for free agency, but if they were headed for a hard cap, it wouldn't matter

what am I getting wrong here?

I'm not sure. I use sites that already know what the pick at each position will make and already include the 20% extra in their calculations. They could be wrong I guess. Simons as the 24th pick this year made $1.83 million so your numbers do make more sense if their is the increase. Add $0.4 million to my projection then, that doesn't make a huge difference.

 

[wizenheimer]

I'm not sure. I use sites that already know what the pick at each position will make and already include the 20% extra in their calculations. They could be wrong I guess. Simons as the 24th pick this year made $1.83 million so your numbers do make more sense if their is the increase. Add $0.4 million to my projection then, that doesn't make a huge difference.

the reason I asked is because if you go by what that section of the CBA said, you'd start with the baseline scale for the 25th pick in 2018-19 of $1,468,400. Then you'd add the 8% bump for the increase in the salary cap getting it up to around 1.586M

then, the exact words from the FAQ:

For 2019-20 they repeat the process, starting with the baseline scale for 2018-19, applying the cap percentage increase or decrease to create the 2019-20 baseline scale, and then applying a 45% increase to create the 2019-20 rookie scale."

that would mean a 45% bump on top, and that would establish the scale at 2.3M. The standard 20% bump on top of that would jump Little's salary to 2.76M. And I remember an ESPN podcast where the two guys were talking about the big jump rookie salaries were going to take this coming season. That fits that section above but it doesn't seem to match up well with math logic or the salary Simons had last season. Thus my confusion

ultimately, whether it's 2.2M or 2.76M doesn't mean much. Less than 600K when you're dealing with 130M is kind of insignificant...unless maybe you're dealing with a hard-cap