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Fez Hammersticks said:
When did Lowry get on that CP3/Deron tier?

His career high PER is 19 and has been pretty mediocre for the most part. This hype machine is crazy!
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Career PER of 19 is pretty damn good, no? Our very own Kevin Porter had a career PER of 17.2
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
When did Lowry get on that CP3/Deron tier?

His career high PER is 19 and has been pretty mediocre for the most part. This hype machine is crazy!
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Huh? No one has put him on the cp3 deron tier.

But he is a capable 19 PER pg on a fantastic deal.
 
I'm not against Lowry. I don't think them trading Lowry guarantees they're keeping Dragic. I'm pretty sure he's a UFA.
 
Chuck Taylor said:
It wasn't being discussed when I started typing it. I didn't know if it belonged in the draft thread, the trade thread, or warranted a thread of its own. In fact, I was going to post this last night but figured I would put it in the wrong place and get in trouble. Then I wake up and see no one is still talking about it, so I try and contribute....but I still got it wrong. This place can be confusing!!
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Wait, you mean you don't remember everything that's being discussed in a 164 page long thread?!?

(The thread you started is fine. Not sure what you mean by get in trouble. The only person that gets regularly punished around here is HCP's wife.)
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Wait, you mean you don't remember everything that's being discussed in a 164 page long thread?!?

(The thread you started is fine. Not sure what you mean by get in trouble. The only person that gets regularly punished around here is HCP's wife.)
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And those of us having to get the penicillin shot after visiting her
 
If the Rox take that gamble, I hope some team makes them pay by offering Dragic a toxic, front loaded offer.

Go Blazers
 
Mediocre Man said:
Career PER of 19 is pretty damn good, no?
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Yes, it is. Too bad Lowry's career PER isn't anywhere near 19. It's 15.9, slightly above average. His career high is 18.9. The only other time he's been above 16.5 was his rookie year when he had a PER - 18.3, but only played in 10 games.

Lowry is OK, but not great. I'd take him if the price was right. The #6 pick is way too much to give up a guy who is marginally better than Raymond Felton.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
Yes, it is. Too bad Lowry's career PER isn't anywhere near 19. It's 15.9, slightly above average. His career high is 18.9. The only other time he's been above 16.5 was his rookie year when he had a PER - 18.3, but only played in 10 games.

Lowry is OK, but not great. I'd take him if the price was right. The #6 pick is way too much to give up a guy who is marginally better than Raymond Felton.

BNM
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I haven't seen anyone say they would give up the #6 for Lowry alone.
 
I hear there's a Lowry for Anthony Davis offer in the works. Thoughts?
 
VanillaGorilla said:
I haven't seen anyone say they would give up the #6 for Lowry alone.
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I also wouldn't give up the #6 for Lowry and one (or two) picks in the mid teens - even in this very deep draft.

It's not that I think those picks are worthless. In fact, I'd really like to have one, or both of them, but not at the cost of the #6 pick. In this draft, I think there is a VERY good chance of getting a real difference maker, a multi-time all-star, at #6.

Lowry, #14 and #16 most likely nets you three solid role players, but not likely any difference makers. I suppose that's good if you already have two (or more) difference makers and are looking to round out your roster, but it's easy to add role players, even proven veteran role players, through other methods - without giving up a potential difference maker.

Difference makers (a number one or two option) are much harder to come by. If Kyle Lowry is your second best player (number 2 option), you're not going anywhere, and probably not making the play offs (or squeaking in and getting swept in the first round). Unless you have another trade lined up (perhaps #6 plus #14) to move up and guarantee getting the player you want), I wouldn't trade the #6 pick in this draft for Kyle Lowry and two mid first round picks.

BNM
 
noknobs said:
Lowry is 26, has been in the league for 7 years, the best averages of his career are 14.3 ppg & 6.7 apg, and at the end of last year he wasn't even a starter on a non-playoff team. If you don't consider that in the vicinity of average for a 'starting' point guard then we simply disagree on what 'in the vicinity of average' means.
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I'm having a hard time making a polite response. Before being hospitalized with an extreme bacterial infection, Lowry was flat kicking ass...there is no other way to spin it without being wrong. 38 games is a solid sample size and his 20+PER was a reflection of his All Star level stats.

35.4 Min, 15.9 pnts. on 42%, 1.9 3's made per game at 39%, 4.5 FTM at 87%, 7.2 Assts, 1.8 Stls, 5.3 RBs

Being bedridden and unable to eat solid food for weeks would be tough on anyone. Kyle lost a lot of weight and of course a good portion of his stamina. In his absence Dragic came on and dominated. Pointing out that Lowry didn't finish the year as a starter for the Rockets as if you were onto something is either oblivious to well known circumstances or idiotic. Being literally a shadow of himself, it's no surprise that his stats tailed off dramatically when he returned

STOMP
 
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STOMP said:
I'm having a hard time making a polite response. Before being hospitalized with an extreme bacterial infection, Lowry was flat kicking ass...there is no other way to spin it without being wrong. 38 games is a solid sample size and his 20+PER was a reflection of his All Star level stats.

35.4 Min, 15.9 pnts. on 42%, 1.9 3's made per game at 39%, 4.5 FTM at 87%, 7.2 Assts, 1.8 Stls, 5.3 RBs

Being bedridden and unable to eat solid food for weeks would be tough on anyone. Kyle lost a lot of weight and of course a good portion of his stamina. In his absence Dragic came on and dominated. Pointing out that Lowry didn't finish the year as a starter for the Rockets as if you were onto something is either oblivious to well known circumstances or idiotic. Being literally a shadow of himself, it's no surprise that his stats tailed off dramatically when he returned

STOMP
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I'm surprised at how little people think of Lowry. He had some serious mention as an All Star last year. I think a more understandable argument would be that he has taken a while to blossom. Is he a late bloomer or was it just a good year and he will regress to the mean? But no one in their right mind could not be impressed with what he did last year when healthy.
 
STOMP said:
I'm having a hard time making a polite response. Before being hospitalized with an extreme bacterial infection, Lowry was flat kicking ass...there is no other way to spin it without being wrong. 38 games is a solid sample size and his 20+PER was a reflection of his All Star level stats.

35.4 Min, 15.9 pnts. on 42%, 1.9 3's made per game at 39%, 4.5 FTM at 87%, 7.2 Assts, 1.8 Stls, 5.3 RBs

Being bedridden and unable to eat solid food for weeks would be tough on anyone. Kyle lost a lot of weight and of course a good portion of his stamina. In his absence Dragic came on and dominated. Pointing out that Lowry didn't finish the year as a starter for the Rockets as if you were onto something is either oblivious to well known circumstances or idiotic. Being literally a shadow of himself, it's no surprise that his stats tailed off dramatically when he returned

STOMP
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Thank you for taking my thoughts and laying them out wayyyy better than I could have :)

Repped.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Dragic is an UFA. However, both he and Houston want him to be in Houston
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I'm sure GD has nothing but positive things to say publicly about potentially returning to Houston. The more teams interested in him the higher his $ value goes. Not much talent there to win with though

STOMP
 
Can't get along with his coach....off court issues....No thanks....
 
STOMP said:
I'm having a hard time making a polite response. Before being hospitalized with an extreme bacterial infection, Lowry was flat kicking ass...there is no other way to spin it without being wrong. 38 games is a solid sample size and his 20+PER was a reflection of his All Star level stats.

35.4 Min, 15.9 pnts. on 42%, 1.9 3's made per game at 39%, 4.5 FTM at 87%, 7.2 Assts, 1.8 Stls, 5.3 RBs

Being bedridden and unable to eat solid food for weeks would be tough on anyone. Kyle lost a lot of weight and of course a good portion of his stamina. In his absence Dragic came on and dominated. Pointing out that Lowry didn't finish the year as a starter for the Rockets as if you were onto something is either oblivious to well known circumstances or idiotic. Being literally a shadow of himself, it's no surprise that his stats tailed off dramatically when he returned

STOMP
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Glad you're not GM. You can keep your sad tale of not eating solid food, and I'll keep #6 in the draft. Thanks. Touching story though.
 
noknobs said:
Glad you're not GM. You can keep your sad tale of not eating solid food, and I'll keep #6 in the draft. Thanks. Touching story though.
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Looks to me like he provided a lot of hard cold statistics in his "story".
 
noknobs said:
Glad you're not GM. You can keep your sad tale of not eating solid food, and I'll keep #6 in the draft. Thanks. Touching story though.
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If I'd mentioned the #6, you might have a point. Nice try though

STOMP
 
MickZagger said:
Beat up a female referee in an offseason pickup game.

That said, Lowry would be a huge upgrade to our PG play last year!
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"The declaration of warrant/summons said, “At the end of the game, Lowry approached the victim and threw a basketball at her striking her in her torso. The victim picked up the basketball and tossed it back at Lowry. Lowry became upset and stated, ‘B****, meet me outside. I will kick you’re a**’.”

The warrant goes on to allege that after Lowry walked away, Robinson went to the designated area for officials to change shoes and clothing, and she was hit with a basketball at a high rate of speed."

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports....lowry-charged-with-battery-of-female-referee/
 
Chuck Taylor said:
I'm surprised at how little people think of Lowry. He had some serious mention as an All Star last year. I think a more understandable argument would be that he has taken a while to blossom. Is he a late bloomer or was it just a good year and he will regress to the mean?
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Just like Raymond Felton the year before. Yes, Lowry is an upgrade over our current PG situation. Most posters here (me NOT included) said the same thing about Felton last June. After years of average play, Lowry played like a "near all star" for 38 games. Felton did the same thing (17.1ppg, 9.0 apg, 3.6 rpg) for 54 games in NY before being traded. Both players faded late in the season - Lowry due to illness, Felton due to the trade/diminished roll.

38 games of "near all star" performance isn't enough to even consider giving up the 6th pick in this draft. Will Lowry continue to produce at a "near all star" level, or will he regress to mediocrity? Who knows. I'm not willing to risk the 6th pick to find out.

BNM
 
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