Potential MLE Targets?

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Denny Crane said:
The guy is a great 3pt shooter, 6'6", and only 25 years old. Seems like the ideal complement to Dre and fills one of the team's obvious needs.
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He shoots a ton of 3s, but at 37% for his career, he's not a great shooter. For the sake of comparison, Steve BLANKY is a career 39% 3-pt shooter, and Martell Webster is a career 38% 3-pt shooter. I wouldn't call either of them "great" 3-pt shooters.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I would like to see us make a push for Howard honestly. I'm wondering if Aldridge and Batum would get it done.
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That would put Howard in an even worse position than he has in Orlando, but with an older PG, a SG that can't create his own shot, another SG who is no longer a star, and on an even smaller team with fewer scoring options.

Why would Howard want to make that move? Why would Portland want to make that move?
 
jlprk said:
We need a rebounder even more than we need a shooter.
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Pryzbilla was horrible this last season, Chris Johnson played much better than him. I wouldn't pay any more than the vet minimum for Pryzbilla and even then I would only do it after we had rounded out the rest of our roster. The guy got injured again for the remainder of the season in Charlotte. Joel might not be able to beat out our second round picks for a roster spot. Trying to use our MLE on Joel is as retarded as New Jersey giving Travis Outlaw $35 million.
 
PapaG said:
That would put Howard in an even worse position than he has in Orlando, but with an older PG, a SG that can't create his own shot, another SG who is no longer a star, and on an even smaller team with fewer scoring options.

Why would Howard want to make that move? Why would Portland want to make that move?
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So we could play Oden and Howard together!!!
 
I like Joel, wouldn't mind him as roster insurance, but I don't want him as our backup, personally. I'm tired of playing 4 on 5 all the time. We need guys that can play on both sides of the ball. Not a guy who is in the way more than anything on offense. Part of the reason I don't really want Chuck Hayes either.
 
RR7 said:
Spencer Hawes
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We already had him when he was called Channing Frye. If Nate McMillan has taught us anything, it's that he has a hard time putting players in situations where they can maximize their core abilities.
 
SheedSoNasty said:
We already had him when he was called Channing Frye. If Nate McMillan has taught us anything, it's that he has a hard time putting players in situations where they can maximize their core abilities.
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Honestly, I'd love to get Channing back, also.

Though to the Nate criticism, I disagree. I think he put plenty of people in situations to maximize their abilities. Travis and Blake specifically are two who haven't looked nearly as good away from Nate.
 
RR7 said:
Honestly, I'd love to get Channing back, also.

Though to the Nate criticism, I disagree. I think he put plenty of people in situations to maximize their abilities. Travis and Blake specifically are two who haven't looked nearly as good away from Nate.
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The only players that I can think of who have more success since leaving Nate are Jerryd Bayless, who had a very solid end to the season as a starter in Toronto (while losing games), at least in terms of individual play, and Zach Randolph (who took 4 years post-Nate to figure things out). Josh McRoberts looks to be a solid NBA player as well, but he was too young and raw to contribute much when he was in Portland.

Am I missing other players who have left Nate and been better players? Even going back to Seattle, I can't think of many examples.
 
PapaG said:
The only players that I can think of who have more success since leaving Nate are Jerryd Bayless, who had a very solid end to the season as a starter in Toronto (while losing games), at least in terms of individual play, and Zach Randolph (who took 4 years post-Nate to figure things out). Josh McRoberts looks to be a solid NBA player as well, but he was too young and raw to contribute much when he was in Portland.

Am I missing other players who have left Nate and been better players? Even going back to Seattle, I can't think of many examples.
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Jack has done a fine job in NO. Not stellar, but I think his decision making (which would pull my hair out) are much lower. Um maybe Sheed? I mean he did win a title in Detroit and was a key piece to their success. I guess I'm blank with everything else.

Although there have been some major dissappointments too. Lewis? Blake? Webster? I don't know
 
PapaG said:
The only players that I can think of who have more success since leaving Nate are Jerryd Bayless, who had a very solid end to the season as a starter in Toronto (while losing games), at least in terms of individual play, and Zach Randolph (who took 4 years post-Nate to figure things out). Josh McRoberts looks to be a solid NBA player as well, but he was too young and raw to contribute much when he was in Portland.

Am I missing other players who have left Nate and been better players? Even going back to Seattle, I can't think of many examples.
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Channing, as mentioned. Otherwise, none I could really think of. Joel had his best years under Nate. Was pretty mediocre beforehand. Put him in a position to use his strengths best. Jack is about the same. Slightly better, just from age and experience, but he hasn't really blossomed into anything he wasn't here. Sergio is out of the league. Telfair still sucks. Ime had arguably his best year ever here. Turned him into a full time starter. Put him into a position to succeed, and earned him some money. Diogu is still a pretty much worthless player. Yeah, I'm not seeing the evidence. But, if something gets repeated enough, it becomes fact. Like how Nate supposedly hates young players.
 
I would really like to bring in Brooks. He knows Oregon well, seems like he has a solid outside shot, very quick, and will be able to take over the starting nod in a couple years. Basically if he doesn't work, it would only cost us MLE. If it does work, then we have our answer at PG.

Another note is I doubt he would have a problem coming off the bench either. His quickness would help with Roy's slowness too.
 
magnifier661 said:
Jack has done a fine job in NO. Not stellar, but I think his decision making (which would pull my hair out) are much lower. Um maybe Sheed? I mean he did win a title in Detroit and was a key piece to their success. I guess I'm blank with everything else.

Although there have been some major dissappointments too. Lewis? Blake? Webster? I don't know
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Nate didn't coach Sheed, though.
 
RR7 said:
Channing, as mentioned. Otherwise, none I could really think of. Joel had his best years under Nate. Was pretty mediocre beforehand. Put him in a position to use his strengths best. Jack is about the same. Slightly better, just from age and experience, but he hasn't really blossomed into anything he wasn't here. Sergio is out of the league. Telfair still sucks. Ime had arguably his best year ever here. Turned him into a full time starter. Put him into a position to succeed, and earned him some money. Diogu is still a pretty much worthless player. Yeah, I'm not seeing the evidence. But, if something gets repeated enough, it becomes fact. Like how Nate supposedly hates young players.
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Frye. I knew I was forgetting someone. Thanks!
 
magnifier661 said:
Shit you're right! Cheeks and Nate kinda blurred together on me. Forgot that Sheed was traded before Nate came to town.
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2002 to about winter of 2006 are one bad dream to me. I can't believe that I had myself deluded to the point that I thought Viktor Khryapa, Sebastian Telfair, Juan Dixon, Theo Ratliff, and Charles Spider Smith (among many other forgettable players) could be key players on a team that I though was close to being a playoff contender.
 
PapaG said:
He shoots a ton of 3s, but at 37% for his career, he's not a great shooter. For the sake of comparison, Steve BLANKY is a career 39% 3-pt shooter, and Martell Webster is a career 38% 3-pt shooter. I wouldn't call either of them "great" 3-pt shooters.
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Smith shoots volume threes. He averages 7.3 three point attempts per 36 minutes for his career and still shoots at 37%. For comparison, Ray allen takes 5.9 per 36, Blake 4.5, and Webster 5.4. For the number of shots that he takes, I would definitely call him a great three point shooter. He's also hurt by a pretty poor shooting first season. If you take that out, he's probably closer to 40%.
 
B-Roy said:
Smith shoots volume threes. He averages 7.3 three point attempts per 36 minutes for his career and still shoots at 37%. For comparison, Ray allen takes 5.9 per 36, Blake 4.5, and Webster 5.4. For the number of shots that he takes, I would definitely call him a great three point shooter. He's also hurt by a pretty poor shooting first season. If you take that out, he's probably closer to 40%.
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I wouldn't. I'd call him a great volume 3-point shooter. The problem with missing 3s is that the shooting team's defense is usually out of position after the rebound. Plus, he shot 34% as recently as 2009-10. I'd actually like Smith, but only if he shot fewer 3-pointers.
 
PapaG said:
I wouldn't. I'd call him a great volume 3-point shooter. The problem with missing 3s is that the shooting team's defense is usually out of position after the rebound. Plus, he shot 34% as recently as 2009-10. I'd actually like Smith, but only if he shot fewer 3-pointers.
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But then what's the difference between great shooter and great volume shooter? If he shot less threes, he'd probably shoot them at a higher percentage. In terms of just the actuall skill of shooting threes, I think he's really good. Shot selection has always been a problem for Smith, so that's probably resulted in a lot of his misses.
 
I would be for signing Smith to a short contract, anything more than 2 years and I think you may get very bad behavior out of him.
 
33 out of 100 made 3pt shots = 99 points.
50 out of 100 made 2pt shots = 100 points.

Even a 34% shooter is going to do some real good for the Blazers.

There's a difference between a good 3pt shooter and a scorer. Kyle Korver has a great %, but a lousy scoring average, even per 36. Smith is a scorer who will put up his points even when defenses key on him.

Who could you possibly get who's better? Denver is certain to let him walk, so it's a matter of making him the best offer or him wanting to play for the team.
 
bring in jr smith, jailblazers 2.0, then i want zbo back, and titles to follow
 
Uncle Ty said:
He's 31. He didn't particularly had a great season. His stats fell off across the board from last season. I think offering him the MLE for 4-5 years would be fair.
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I agree with you that he probably would only produce to that pay scale, however, I'd be shocked if some team doesn't offer him more.
 
Tince said:
I agree with you that he probably would only produce to that pay scale, however, I'd be shocked if some team doesn't offer him more.
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Ah, but we have Brandon Roy and Nate McMillan! Seattle connections unite!
 
One thing nobody seems to have mentioned (or maybe I just missed it?) but we don't even know if the MLE is going to survive the lockout and the new CBA. There's a ton of talk about a hard cap and even slashing existing salaries, so until that happens it's going to be pretty hard to project just what kind of money this team will be able to spend in free agency.

Having said that, the names that jump out at me are Aaron Afflalo and JR Smith; this team desperately needs to add some shooting and speed on the perimeter and maybe I'd add Brooks to the list even though he's really not a point guard and more of just a small shooting guard
 
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