Politics POTUS TRUMP - PRESIDENT OF PEACE

[MARIS61]

First time in my life we've had a President who is truly and honestly flat out against wars for profit, wars for empire-building, wars for religious bigotry, wars for national pride.

I am loving his tweets today, where he destroys the war-mongering swamp.

Anyone want to jump in and explain why you refuse to support POTUS Trump fulfilling his promise to get our troops out of endless wars?

Is your political pride so butt-hurt by his election that you'd rather see our soldiers die horrific deaths for corporate greed? Sure seems that way.

 

[Lanny]

First time in my life we've had a President who is truly and honestly flat out against wars for profit, wars for empire-building, wars for religious bigotry, wars for national pride.

I am loving his tweets today, where he destroys the war-mongering swamp.

Anyone want to jump in and explain why you refuse to support POTUS Trump fulfilling his promise to get our troops out of endless wars?

Is your political pride so butt-hurt by his election that you'd rather see our soldiers die horrific deaths for corporate greed? Sure seems that way.

1. Is this a joke or what?
2. How many U.S. soldiers have died in Syria? 8?

From wikipedia:
"A U.S. pilot was killed on 30 November 2014, when his F-16 fighter aircraft crashed in Jordan following a combat mission against the Islamic State jihadist group. Also, a U.S. special forces member died due to a bomb explosion while supporting Kurdish-led forces during the Wrath of Euphrates offensive against ISIL-held Raqqa. Two other service members died due to non-combat causes in northern Syria in 2017. A US servicemen died on 30 March 2018 by an IED explosion in Manbij. Four Americans, including two soldiers, were killed by a bombing in Manbij city on 16 January 2019.[221][222] One American soldier was killed on 28 April 2019, possibly due to a Turkish shelling."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War

Now, think of the thousands of ISIS members being released from Kurdish prisons, seven of whom were designated by us as high value prisoners, who are free to kill Americans in the most brutal ways.
Think of the Millions of Kurds who are being kicked out of their homeland to accomodate Syrian refugees being resettled into the Kurdish region at issue here. Mind you, these Syrians are Kurd haters.
Also consider the Kurds being summarily executed on the roadsides by Syrians supported by the Turks. This is going to mean an awful lot of dead Kurds. Do these dead Kurds bother you at all?

 

[crandc]

A lot of Kurds are resting in peace thanks to Trump. They might have preferred to live....

 

[barfo]

First time in my life we've had a President who is truly and honestly flat out against wars for profit

He just sent troops to Saudi Arabia because they paid for it.

barfo

 

[CupWizier]

First time in my life we've had a President who is truly and honestly flat out against wars for profit, wars for empire-building, wars for religious bigotry, wars for national pride.

I am loving his tweets today, where he destroys the war-mongering swamp.

Anyone want to jump in and explain why you refuse to support POTUS Trump fulfilling his promise to get our troops out of endless wars?

Is your political pride so butt-hurt by his election that you'd rather see our soldiers die horrific deaths for corporate greed? Sure seems that way.

You call what's going on in the middle east right now peaceful? lol. This was all done by trumps inability to understand how things need to be done and you just lap it up like a good little kitty.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

You call what's going on in the middle east right now peaceful? lol. This was all done by trumps inability to understand how things need to be done and you just lap it up like a good little kitty.

To be fair maybe it's just me being an idiot that's entirely possible but I think the middle east is a situation that is pretty hard to know what "needs" to be done. Honestly, at least personally I have no idea what the right way to handle that situation is. It seems like at least from the humanitarian perspective lives will be lost no matter what happens. When it comes to the middle east it seems like no matter what a US President does it will be viewed as very wrong by some and applauded by others. To me, and maybe I'm wrong here it's just a very tough and complicated situation. This isn't "excusing" pulling the troops, or him using our troops like their merc for hire either.

 

[julius]

First time in my life we've had a President who is truly and honestly flat out against wars for profit, wars for empire-building, wars for religious bigotry, wars for national pride.

I am loving his tweets today, where he destroys the war-mongering swamp.

Anyone want to jump in and explain why you refuse to support POTUS Trump fulfilling his promise to get our troops out of endless wars?

Is your political pride so butt-hurt by his election that you'd rather see our soldiers die horrific deaths for corporate greed? Sure seems that way.

I see the maris character was born after 1981, because Jimmy Carter says hello.

 

[illmatic99]

First time in my life we've had a President who is truly and honestly flat out against wars for profit, wars for empire-building, wars for religious bigotry, wars for national pride.

I am loving his tweets today, where he destroys the war-mongering swamp.

Anyone want to jump in and explain why you refuse to support POTUS Trump fulfilling his promise to get our troops out of endless wars?

Is your political pride so butt-hurt by his election that you'd rather see our soldiers die horrific deaths for corporate greed? Sure seems that way.

dude, he just sent 3000 troops to Saudi 'cuz they paid him. Who gives a shit if he's not war mongering, when he's LITERALLY selling out the military?

 

[CupWizier]

To be fair maybe it's just me being an idiot that's entirely possible but I think the middle east is a situation that is pretty hard to know what "needs" to be done. Honestly, at least personally I have no idea what the right way to handle that situation is. It seems like at least from the humanitarian perspective lives will be lost no matter what happens. When it comes to the middle east it seems like no matter what a US President does it will be viewed as very wrong by some and applauded by others. To me, and maybe I'm wrong here it's just a very tough and complicated situation. This isn't "excusing" pulling the troops, or him using our troops like their merc for hire either.

It's called listening to advisors and creating a proper plan rather than just take a phone call from Turkey and then open the flood gates of chaos. His foreign policy is to swing from the hip and he even said he relies on hunches. Using your people in Intel would be a good start for this clown but nobody can tell him anything because he thinks he already knows it all. That makes for a dangerous president and that was very evident when he tweeted out to North Korea that he has a bigger red button. The guy just doesn't have a clue.

 

[calvin natt]

I see the maris character was born after 1981, because Jimmy Carter says hello.

"maris character" - important to note. cuz he aint real. has anyone met Maris?

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

It's called listening to advisors and creating a proper plan rather than just take a phone call from Turkey and then open the flood gates of chaos. His foreign policy is to swing from the hip and he even said he relies on hunches. Using your people in Intel would be a good start for this clown but nobody can tell him anything because he thinks he already knows it all. That makes for a dangerous president and that was very evident when he tweeted out to North Korea that he has a bigger red button. The guy just doesn't have a clue.

Sure and I'd agree that just taking wild stabs in the dark won't fix it, but Intel and a "plan" could still go terribly wrong and there would be still criticisms of how it's handled either way. Obama was criticized for basically everything he did in the middle east too. I think he tried to do what you said with a plan and listen to his advisors.

 

[CupWizier]

Sure and I'd agree that just taking wild stabs in the dark won't fix it, but Intel and a "plan" could still go terribly wrong and there would be still criticisms of how it's handled either way. Obama was criticized for basically everything he did in the middle east too. I think he tried to do what you said with a plan and listen to his advisors.

He was ADVISED that it was a huge mistake and now we have proof that it was a huge mistake. No other way to spin it.

 

[illmatic99]

No other way to spin it.

No there are other ways to spin it, and he is, and his minions are. It's delusional and falsified, but everything he does is.

 

[CupWizier]

Anyone seen a tweet or response from trump denouncing the video that was played of him doing a mass shooting in a church? No denouncement? No call for an investigation into who was actually responsible? I saw a tweet from his press secretary denouncing it, but maybe I missed trump saying so. Sure seems to be ominously quiet in this regard from the potus.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

He was ADVISED that it was a huge mistake and now we have proof that it was a huge mistake. No other way to spin it.

I'm not spinning it, but how many presidents now have tried to do something in the middle east and it turned out "wrong", maybe it's because those problems that are millennia old are more than we can hope to solve. Obviously I don't think Trump is the guy to solve it, but I'm not sure if there is a person who can solve it.

 

[CupWizier]

I'm not spinning it, but how many presidents now have tried to something in the middle east and it turned out "wrong", maybe it's because those problems that are millennia old are more than we can hope to solve. Obviously I don't think Trump is the guy to solve it, but I'm not sure if there is a person who can solve it.

Nobody is asking for it to be solved immediately and nobody expects it to be solved immediately but you don't partner up with an ally and then completely bail on them to be slaughtered by the Turkish army. Now we have troops in Syria that have been trapped. He made a mess out of a situation that could have been done much smoother. Don't make the announcement until the troops are in a safe place. Don't abandon an ally cause you need to create a distraction. We had a very small footprint in Syria. Why not get the troops out of Afghanistan first as we have a much larger presence there.

 

[illmatic99]

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/10/trump-impeachment-ukraine-syria-turkey-russia-putin.html

 

[Hoopguru]

I'm not spinning it, but how many presidents now have tried to do something in the middle east and it turned out "wrong", maybe it's because those problems that are millennia old are more than we can hope to solve. Obviously I don't think Trump is the guy to solve it, but I'm not sure if there is a person who can solve it.

Thats very true.

 

[Hoopguru]

Nobody is asking for it to be solved immediately and nobody expects it to be solved immediately but you don't partner up with an ally and then completely bail on them to be slaughtered by the Turkish army. Now we have troops in Syria that have been trapped. He made a mess out of a situation that could have been done much smoother. Don't make the announcement until the troops are in a safe place. Don't abandon an ally cause you need to create a distraction. We had a very small footprint in Syria. Why not get the troops out of Afghanistan first as we have a much larger presence there.

I agree with both of you.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I agree with both of you.

I wasnt really disagreeing with Cup, but man that situation over there is basically a somewhat controlled chaos and every little move tends to create more chaos. I dont like how Trump handled it, but when I take a step back, I also just dont know if its something an outside party (us), can fix...

 

[riverman]

I'm all for world peace, but that wouldn't be throwing innocent civilians and allies into harm's way for a bump in the polls...we have a responsibility for those ISIS prisoners we'd contained ….we didn't move and attacking US force from the Kurds...we removed the prison guards and presence that kept the Turks from genocide....there's a difference between leaving this conflict during a standoff and leaving it int he hands of peace negotiators....Trump is just effectively dishonoring an ongoing agreement before it is resolved...and he doesn't give a shit how many people die because of it. We deserve better leadership ..it's not that we should maintain troops in the region, it's that we should clean up the endgame and show some dignitiy in the process

 

[julius]

I'm all for world peace, but that wouldn't be throwing innocent civilians and allies into harm's way for a bump in the polls...we have a responsibility for those ISIS prisoners we'd contained ….we didn't move and attacking US force from the Kurds...we removed the prison guards and presence that kept the Turks from genocide....there's a difference between leaving this conflict during a standoff and leaving it int he hands of peace negotiators....Trump is just effectively dishonoring an ongoing agreement before it is resolved...and he doesn't give a shit how many people die because of it. We deserve better leadership ..it's not that we should maintain troops in the region, it's that we should clean up the endgame and show some dignitiy in the process

Donald isn't for world peace though. That's the funniest thing about character maris's claim. Nothing he does is about peaceful. Nothing. It's all about profit.

 

[illmatic99]

I wasnt really disagreeing with Cup, but man that situation over there is basically a somewhat controlled chaos and every little move tends to create more chaos. I dont like how Trump handled it, but when I take a step back, I also just dont know if its something an outside party (us), can fix...

The only control is by Russia.

 

[theprunetang]

"maris character" - important to note. cuz he aint real. has anyone met Maris?

I met Maris and his wife. I left my dirty socks in his rental car. Not kidding.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

I’ve met @MARIS61 twice. The last time he was wearing @theprunetang ‘s dirty socks......

 

[MarAzul]

I’ve met @MARIS61 twice. The last time he was wearing @theprunetang ‘s dirty socks......

There is something funny about this.

 

[MarAzul]

I'm all for world peace, but that wouldn't be throwing innocent civilians and allies into harm's way for a bump in the polls...we have a responsibility for those ISIS prisoners we'd contained ….we didn't move and attacking US force from the Kurds...we removed the prison guards and presence that kept the Turks from genocide....there's a difference between leaving this conflict during a standoff and leaving it int he hands of peace negotiators....Trump is just effectively dishonoring an ongoing agreement before it is resolved...and he doesn't give a shit how many people die because of it. We deserve better leadership ..it's not that we should maintain troops in the region, it's that we should clean up the endgame and show some dignitiy in the process

Wow!

 

[MARIS61]

A lot of Kurds are resting in peace thanks to Trump. They might have preferred to live....

Because of Obama maybe. For waging an undeclared war.

The US is not at war with either Syria or our NATO ally, per Congress.

POTUS Trump is following the Constitution, which relegates the power to declare war solely to Congress. They have not and will not.

Just because Obama violated this trust and misused our military to achieve personal political goals of his own does not mean POTUS Trump will stoop to his level.

Obama was fine with killing people, Hillary was gleeful about killing people.

POTUS Trump would rather not kill anyone.

 

[MarAzul]

Because of Obama maybe. For waging an undeclared war.

The US is not at war with either Syria or our NATO ally, per Congress.

POTUS Trump is following the Constitution, which relegates the power to declare war solely to Congress. They have not and will not.

Just because Obama violated this trust and misused our military to achieve personal political goals of his own does not mean POTUS Trump will stoop to his level.

Obama was fine with killing people, Hillary was gleeful about killing people.

POTUS Trump would rather not kill anyone.

My goodness!
People do have difficulty understanding when the correct action is taken. It is stunning to see the lack of appreciation.

 

[MARIS61]

Think of the thousands of ISIS members being released from Kurdish prisons, seven of whom were designated by us as high value prisoners, who are free to kill Americans in the most brutal ways.
Think of the Millions of Kurds who are being kicked out of their homeland to accomodate Syrian refugees being resettled into the Kurdish region at issue here. Mind you, these Syrians are Kurd haters.
Also consider the Kurds being summarily executed on the roadsides by Syrians supported by the Turks. This is going to mean an awful lot of dead Kurds. Do these dead Kurds bother you at all?

Old news. Syria (our enemy) is now backing up the Kurd militants (terrorists with no loyalty to US) against Turkey (our, and most of Europe's NATO ally).

Problem solved, IMO.

As for the ISIS prisoners being held indefinitely in desert cages with no court process, inhumane treatment, likely tortured regularly, with no actual plan to do anything but keep them there forever...?

There's nothing American about that.

Do I fear escaped ISIS soldiers will kill me in my sleep? Not as long as Trump is focused on border security.

Do I care about "the Kurds"? As if they were one unified people. They are not. Like most populations in the ME they have a myriad of factions with competing and conflicting views, and are spread over at least 7 very different countries, none of which seems to want them there. Maybe there's a good reason? Don't care.

It's the other side of the world and nobody over there wants us there, except when they need major thuggery done. Our military are not mercenaries.

America First, Last and Always.