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Jase is my favorite of this group, by a good margin. And probably for the blazers too since Ant is likely gone and the need for another guard is there although you'd like more size at that spot.

Michigan State put him a pretty comfy role but he still put a lot special stuff on tape and is more ready imo than his age and size would suggest.

He's also a much more natural off ball mover and attacker than the combo guards this team has had in the past and I'm a pretty decent fan of his defense. Weirdly good at contesting shots.
 
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JDC said:
Jase is my favorite of this group, by a good margin. And probably for the blazers too since Ant is likely gone and the need for another guard is there although you'd like more size at that spot.

Michigan State put him a pretty comfy role but he still put a lot special stuff on tape and is more ready imo than his age and size would suggest.

He's also a much more natural off ball mover and attacker than the combo guards this team has had in the past and I'm a pretty decent fan of his defense. Weirdly good at contesting shots.
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He could still play the same role as he did at MSU when Deni is on the floor....... until he masters the PG position.
 
JDC said:
Jase is my favorite of this group, by a good margin. And probably for the blazers too since Ant is likely gone and the need for another guard is there although you'd like more size at that spot.

Michigan State put him a pretty comfy role but he still put a lot special stuff on tape and is more ready imo than his age and size would suggest.

He's also a much more natural off ball mover and attacker than the combo guards this team has had in the past and I'm a pretty decent fan of his defense. Weirdly good at contesting shots.
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Who do you have as comps?
 
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I like McNeeley. If Liam McNeeley spent all last season on Duke, next to Flagg, (like he did in HS/prep school) would he be ranked higher, like Kneuppel? I say yes. Stick Kneuppel on an average UConn team, with little help, and where is Kon K slated to go in the draft?
 
wizenheimer said:
Fleming sure looks like the type of player that Cronin/Schmitz have been targeting
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I just can't figure out why the mocks have him so low. Not saying he does not have flaws, but so do the others projected above him.
Maybe they are thinking he is too old. He will be 21 in July.

I like CMB as well, but Fleming has to have the edge based on his ability to knock down an open 3.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I just can't figure out why the mocks have him so low. Not saying he does not have flaws, but so do the others projected above him.
Maybe they are thinking he is too old. He will be 21 in July.

I like CMB as well, but Fleming has to have the edge based on his ability to knock down an open 3.
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yeah. when I read his scouting report and measurements, then saw where he was ranked by consensus there did seem to be a significant disconnect. Now, as I have said many times before, I'm lousy at projecting college players into the NBA, so I usually don't try. I just saw the workout scheduled and decided to post a little 'info'

and Fleming's apparent shooting ability from distance is appealing. We're seeing, year after year, in both regular season and especially in the playoffs, it's important for the supporting cast on a team to shoot the three-ball well while also being defensively competent & versatile. '3&D' may have never been more important than it is now, at least for supporting players

that's why Fleming seemed to fit, but maybe, probably, I'm missing something critical about him

I do know I don't want the Blazers to draft a 6' SG
 
wizenheimer said:
yeah. when I read his scouting report and measurements, then saw where he was ranked by consensus there did seem to be a significant disconnect. Now, as I have said many times before, I'm lousy at projecting college players into the NBA, so I usually don't try. I just saw the workout scheduled and decided to post a little 'info'

and Fleming's apparent shooting ability from distance is appealing. We're seeing, year after year, in both regular season and especially in the playoffs, it's important for the supporting cast on a team to shoot the three-ball well while also being defensively competent & versatile. '3&D' may have never been more important than it is now, at least for supporting players

that's why Fleming seemed to fit, but maybe, probably, I'm missing something critical about him

I do know I don't want the Blazers to draft a 6' SG
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The MVP was the #11 pick years ago. Fleming has no shot creation ability. Do the Blazers want to swing for a role player or a star player, even if the likelihood they become a star is less?

That's the question.
 
Sheldon Shape said:
The MVP was the #11 pick years ago. Fleming has no shot creation ability. Do the Blazers want to swing for a role player or a star player, even if the likelihood they become a star is less?

That's the question.
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That is a valid question. But the bigger question is, who at 11 has star potential? It would need to be someone young and still raw
who has yet to develop. Maybe Carter Bryant?
 
Pinwheel1 said:
That is a valid question. But the bigger question is, who at 11 has star potential? It would need to be someone young and still raw
who has yet to develop. Maybe Carter Bryant?
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Bryant's usage in college scares the shit out of me ala Zach Collins. But he could have also been hidden so who really knows. Egor can create. Coward is interesting. Queen can do things other centers can't. Obviously if Kasparas or Kon are there that would be interesting as well.
 
Sheldon Shape said:
The MVP was the #11 pick years ago. Fleming has no shot creation ability. Do the Blazers want to swing for a role player or a star player, even if the likelihood they become a star is less?

That's the question.
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good question, and I'm usually in favor of swinging for the fences, especially with draft picks. But swinging for the fences has not been a Blazer thing lately. Maybe not since Chad Buchannen was interim GM

like Pinwheel I'm wondering who would be a 'swing-for-the-fences' pick at 11?
 
Sheldon Shape said:
Bryant's usage in college scares the shit out of me ala Zach Collins. But he could have also been hidden so who really knows. Egor can create. Coward is interesting. Queen can do things other centers can't. Obviously if Kasparas or Kon are there that would be interesting as well.
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Maybe Noa Essengue should be added to that list. He is really skinny but still only 18.
 
Sheldon Shape said:
Who do you have as comps?
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Maxey is probably the closest of the current guys. Both super flexible / crazy contortionist type athletes with uncanny touch at the rim.

Maxey was more physically impressive at same age from a speed+strength perspective, but I like Jase's feel and defense more. The jumper is in a better spot too compared to freshman Maxey plus more developed footwork and pick ups as a pull up/stepback shooter.

Tyrese has developed defensively and as a shooter to a pretty high degree which is why he's the level of player he is now and I think you worry that Jase doesn't have the physical tools to scale up into that type of offensive role, but I think Jase can reach a similar outcome in his own way.
 
Essengue won’t get passed Brooklyn or Toronto - especially the Raptors.

His upside is there but man, his jumper would scare me from drafting him.

If his outside shot doesn’t improve, his ceiling is
probably an Aminu-level wing.
 
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