Predictions Game Question

[GrandpaBlaze]

Hi all that are still around in the dog-days of post summer league, an centuries away from training camp and eternities away from pre-season.

Question for you in regard to the player contribution calculation.

I started this with just a few games left in the season last year and we had some participate and others largely ignore it.

Question 1: Should I continue the game this year?

Question 2: If I continue the game, which scoring method should I use? Let me explain....

When I started doing it late last season it was a very simple calculation of:
Points + Rebounds + Steals + Blocks + Assists - Turnovers.

However, in thinking about it, I think Steals, Blocks and Assists should have more than face value - I'm thinking a formula of:
Points + Rebounds + (Steals * 1.5) + (Blocks * 1.5) + (Assists * 1.5) - Turnovers.

I also wondered about tracking offensive vs. defensive rebounds and giving extra value to offensive rebounds but am less sold on that idea.

What are people's thoughts out there in Blazer land?

Thanks.

Gramps...

 

[Strenuus]

I loved the contributor idea... an extra layer to the game, and giving the added weight to other statistics is great.. but it seems to me might be a bit more taxing for you.

 

[riverman]

You rock Gramps! I like the contributor idea as well...however you want to design it we trust you'll do a great job! I'd keep rebounds as one category whether offensive or defensive.

 

[GrandpaBlaze]

I loved the contributor idea... an extra layer to the game, and giving the added weight to other statistics is great.. but it seems to me might be a bit more taxing for you.

A bit more work but another item of interest and chance for glory ('cause I need all the chances I can get - always the bridesmaid, never the bride...)

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Blocks & assists * 1.5
Steals & turnovers * 2

 

[MARIS61]

I like it.

I'd give 1 for assists, 2 for steals, 2 blocks, -2 for turnovers, 1 for any kind of rebound.

If it becomes trackable, I'd give 3 for drawing an offensive foul.

A Tip of The Cap to GrandpaBlaze, for all you do for us.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

By the time you started it up, I was out of the running... but I like the idea. What if you used GameScore (from Basketball-Reference)?

Game Score; the formula is PTS + 0.4 * FG - 0.7 * FGA - 0.4*(FTA - FT) + 0.7 * ORB + 0.3 * DRB + STL + 0.7 * AST + 0.7 * BLK - 0.4 * PF - TOV. Game Score was created by John Hollinger to give a rough measure of a player's productivity for a single game. The scale is similar to that of points scored, (40 is an outstanding performance, 10 is an average performance, etc.).

 

[Orion Bailey]

Hi all that are still around in the dog-days of post summer league, an centuries away from training camp and eternities away from pre-season.

Question for you in regard to the player contribution calculation.

I started this with just a few games left in the season last year and we had some participate and others largely ignore it.

Question 1: Should I continue the game this year?

Question 2: If I continue the game, which scoring method should I use? Let me explain....

When I started doing it late last season it was a very simple calculation of:
Points + Rebounds + Steals + Blocks + Assists - Turnovers.

However, in thinking about it, I think Steals, Blocks and Assists should have more than face value - I'm thinking a formula of:
Points + Rebounds + (Steals * 1.5) + (Blocks * 1.5) + (Assists * 1.5) - Turnovers.

I also wondered about tracking offensive vs. defensive rebounds and giving extra value to offensive rebounds but am less sold on that idea.

What are people's thoughts out there in Blazer land?

Thanks.

Gramps...

I love what you do even if I am not always able to participate. MY issue with this game is I had to put some thought and potential research into it and as much fun as that is, it just took too much valuable time from me, So I just started wildly guessing and sucked big time!!!!

I hope you keep it up though!!! And I know I will participate in everything I can this season.

 

[GrandpaBlaze]

By the time you started it up, I was out of the running... but I like the idea. What if you used GameScore (from Basketball-Reference)?

Game Score; the formula is PTS + 0.4 * FG - 0.7 * FGA - 0.4*(FTA - FT) + 0.7 * ORB + 0.3 * DRB + STL + 0.7 * AST + 0.7 * BLK - 0.4 * PF - TOV. Game Score was created by John Hollinger to give a rough measure of a player's productivity for a single game. The scale is similar to that of points scored, (40 is an outstanding performance, 10 is an average performance, etc.).

For people to predict, I'd prefer something less complicated.

Half of us pull numbers out of a hat as it is, this would increase the randomness of those number picks.

Gramps...

 

[BlazerCaravan]

For people to predict, I'd prefer something less complicated.

Half of us pull numbers out of a hat as it is, this would increase the randomness of those number picks.

Gramps...

Requiring any math is going to produce basically "Dame - 30" as the default answer, though. I don't see how making me learn a slightly less awful formula is going to help. GmSc at least feels like "good performance = 40, bad performance = 5".

But whatevs. You gotta do you.

 

[riverman]

Once again I'll own the bottom of the standings anyway...I take pride in it

 

[GrandpaBlaze]

Requiring any math is going to produce basically "Dame - 30" as the default answer, though. I don't see how making me learn a slightly less awful formula is going to help. GmSc at least feels like "good performance = 40, bad performance = 5".

Excellent point. I am looking for suggestions and then will probably do a poll of options.

Gramps...

 

[Orion Bailey]

Once again I'll own the bottom of the standings anyway...I take pride in it

You better damn well expect some competition... Don't think your just gonna run away with it this year!!!!

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Excellent point. I am looking for suggestions and then will probably do a poll of options.

Gramps...

What about a Starters/Bench point split prediction? I love our bench and our starters, and this year might be really interesting given matchup-exploitation Stotts has been known to do.

 

[Strenuus]

What about a Starters/Bench point split prediction? I love our bench and our starters, and this year might be really interesting given matchup-exploitation Stotts has been known to do.

My name is Strenuus, and I endorse this idea.

 

[BlazerWookee]

It'll be a separate game, right?

 

[riverman]

I always liked picking a bench player to click...used to do that in the live chats with Mike Rice and Orlando Williams..bench mvp game by game

 

[GrandpaBlaze]

What about a Starters/Bench point split prediction? I love our bench and our starters, and this year might be really interesting given matchup-exploitation Stotts has been known to do.

Are you suggesting a second contributor game? Top individual contributor & starter vs bench contribution?

Gramps...

 

[GrandpaBlaze]

It'll be a separate game, right?

Yes, each game stands alone.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Are you suggesting a second contributor game? Top individual contributor & starter vs bench contribution?

Gramps...

I was suggesting it as a no-math alternative to Top Contributor, but I'm easy.

 

[BlazerWookee]

I was suggesting it as a no-math alternative to Top Contributor, but I'm easy.

But not cheap.

 

[GrandpaBlaze]

I was suggesting it as a no-math alternative to Top Contributor, but I'm easy.

Ah, simply a points comparison and not a contribution comparison. Sounds simple.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Ah, simply a points comparison and not a contribution comparison. Sounds simple.

From a game standpoint it seemed like it'd be fun because you have your prediction then you split that down to starters versus bench for each team (or just the Blazers), which is simple but has a bunch of different ways to slice and dice... lots of action as they say. Also lots of ways to be slightly off for the diffs and ranking afterward.

 

[GrandpaBlaze]

From a game standpoint it seemed like it'd be fun because you have your prediction then you split that down to starters versus bench for each team (or just the Blazers), which is simple but has a bunch of different ways to slice and dice... lots of action as they say. Also lots of ways to be slightly off for the diffs and ranking afterward.

If like it.

I now see three games: Team Score Prediction (the game as it has always been), Individual Contributor, Starter v Bench scoring.

 

[GrandpaBlaze]

If like it.

I now see three games: Team Score Prediction (the game as it has always been), Individual Contributor, Starter v Bench scoring.

If can see predictions along this format:

Blazers 109
Lakers 82

Lillard 42

Starters 60
Bench 49

 

[BlazerCaravan]

If can see predictions along this format:

Blazers 109
Lakers 82

Lillard 42

Starters 60
Bench 49

Would it be okay if I didn't do one of the three games?

Also, would a shorthand like this be okay?

Blazer 109 (S60/B49) - Dame 42
Lakers 82

Probably separate lines is better to help your copypasta, huh?

 

[GrandpaBlaze]

Would it be okay if I didn't do one of the three games?

Also, would a shorthand like this be okay?

Blazer 109 (S60/B49) - Dame 42
Lakers 82

Probably separate lines is better to help your copypasta, huh?

Only do the games you want. Format up to personal choice (as long as it is readable)

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Only do the games you want. Format up to personal choice (as long as it is readable)

Awesome, thanks. I'm just trying to think what would be easiest to type in my car two minutes before tipoff

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Awesome, thanks. I'm just trying to think what would be easiest to type in my car two minutes before tipoff

B109(S60B49)L82 0-42

I mean, who wouldn't understand exactly what that means?

 

[GrandpaBlaze]

B109(S60B49)L82 0-42

I mean, who wouldn't understand exactly what that means?

Mistakes will happen. May be exempted from correction.