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It now appears that anywhere from 300 to possibly over 450 tons of contaminated water that contains radioactive iodine, cesium, and strontium-89 and 90, is flooding into the Pacific Ocean from the Fukushima Daichi site every day.

To give you an idea of how bad that actually is, Japanese experts estimate Fukushima’s fallout at 20-30 times as high as as the Hiroshima and Nagasaki nuclear bombings in 1945.
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http://www.collective-evolution.com...r-days-of-eating-pacific-ocean-fish-are-over/
 
Denny Crane said:
Sure. But I'm confident that those who passed freshman physics understood the inner workings of a reactor and all the math (calculus) involved. It's not like you need to be a rocket surgeon to be able to run one.
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I hear that computers can help with math problems...
 
Denny Crane said:
Sure. But I'm confident that those who passed freshman physics understood the inner workings of a reactor and all the math (calculus) involved. It's not like you need to be a rocket surgeon to be able to run one.
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Running a reactor is not the problem. But thanks for the expected strawman diversion.

The PROBLEM is stopping an infinite production of nuclear waste and the constant spewing of it directly into the entire world's food supply.

It's clear no one on Earth has a solution, regardless of their education level. Nobody. No fucking clue.

Only madmen think nuclear energy is safe.
 
MARIS61 said:
Running a reactor is not the problem. But thanks for the expected strawman diversion.

The PROBLEM is stopping an infinite production of nuclear waste and the constant spewing of it directly into the entire world's food supply.

It's clear no one on Earth has a solution, regardless of their education level. Check the date I starter this thread. Nobody. No fucking clue.

Only madmen think nuclear energy is safe.
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No strawman or diversion. Question was asked if you want military pay scale guys making $30K running all our reactors. Those students who passed physics represent a much bigger pool of guys to choose from.

To this day, the tsunami killed way more people than the damaged reactors. Nobody on earth has a solution for tsunamis.
 
Yes, but everyone knows the solution for man-made nuclear reactors. Stop making them, or spend 10 times as much to make them safer, which then makes them uneconomical and ends them anyway.
 
By your logic, people die in car crashes, so we should stop making cars.
 
Denny Crane said:
No strawman or diversion. Question was asked if you want military pay scale guys making $30K running all our reactors. Those students who passed physics represent a much bigger pool of guys to choose from.

To this day, the tsunami killed way more people than the damaged reactors. Nobody on earth has a solution for tsunamis.
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Which is why we don't purposely create Tsunamis.

Only a madman would create a murderous power he could not control.

No credible scientists or doctors will EVER step forward to support your silly claim about death toll comparisons. They understand the slow, snowballing effects of mutation and disease from radiation poisoning of the environment from observing a semi-contained, semi-controlled Chernobyl.

This is not contained nor is it controlled. Doesn't appear it ever will be.
 
LOL

Nuclear power has provided clean power for the US, Japan, France, and many other countries for half a century.

Nobody purposefully causes a reactor to fail.

Car fatalities? Ralph Nader made his fame on a bogus claim that the Corvair was unsafe at any speed. Turns out the Corvette is among the deadliest cars when it comes to traffic fatalities, year after year. Yet they still make Corvettes with full knowledge that tens or hundreds of thousands will die in them. That's more than due to all the deaths from nuclear accidents in history.

Obama saved the Corvette!
 
You hit about 10 topics there, but nice evasion. And Corvettes stopped using plastic gas tanks because of Nader's book, so problem solved there long ago.
 
jlprk said:
You hit about 10 topics there, but nice evasion. And Corvettes stopped using plastic gas tanks because of Nader's book, so problem solved there long ago.
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You're right. I shouldn't pick on the Corvette like that. More people die in Firebirds and Camaros.

I didn't evade anything. I just pointed out there's risk and reward in even a thing as benign as a Corvette. The rewards of nuclear power far far far far far outweigh any risks. And the non-military reactors in western nations are subjected to strict safety standards and rigorous testing.

Which is more likely, a nuclear reactor failure in Japan or a tsunami of unimagined proportions? The tsunami.
 
To repeat, we can't control the spread of tsunamis, but we can for man-made reactors. Bad analogy.

The far far far benefits are simply lower energy cost, which allows the least productive part of the economy to survive. Lose 10% of the energy, you lose ribboned colored paper clips, Pet Rocks, etc. The 10% of widgets we can all live without.
 
Denny Crane said:
You're right. I shouldn't pick on the Corvette like that. More people die in Firebirds and Camaros.

I didn't evade anything. I just pointed out there's risk and reward in even a thing as benign as a Corvette. The rewards of nuclear power far far far far far outweigh any risks. And the non-military reactors in western nations are subjected to strict safety standards and rigorous testing.

Which is more likely, a nuclear reactor failure in Japan or a tsunami of unimagined proportions? The tsunami.
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Reactor failureS, plural. There are currently 4 failures, ongoing and never-ending. With nobody who says they will ever be controlled. The math says eventually all life on Earth will be eliminated either by radiation poisoning or starvation.

They are not subjected to anything.
 
Speaking of other nuclear failures--This is 3 long pages (+ 1 page of footnotes you can skip), but it's fascinating. It makes you wonder, maybe Chernobyl was a diversion created to hide Mighty Oak?

http://www.nuclearcrimes.org/8-1.php
 
jlprk said:
To repeat, we can't control the spread of tsunamis, but we can for man-made reactors. Bad analogy.

The far far far benefits are simply lower energy cost, which allows the least productive part of the economy to survive. Lose 10% of the energy, you lose ribboned colored paper clips, Pet Rocks, etc. The 10% of widgets we can all live without.
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To repeat, we could save orders of magnitude more lives than reactor accidents have cost by outlawing the automobile. By your logic.

We can, after all, control deaths by automobile by eliminating them all.
 
Denny Crane said:
To repeat, we could save orders of magnitude more lives than reactor accidents have cost by outlawing the automobile. By your logic.

We can, after all, control deaths by automobile by eliminating them all.
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Denny Crane said:
Add it up, fool.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_and_radiation_accidents_by_death_toll
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To repeat, an immediate death number is a poor way to evaluate damage from a nuclear event.

jlprk said:
A car fatality locale does not become uninhabitable for 5000 years.
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Those aren't immediate death numbers.

There are 430 commercial nuclear reactors in the world. Those 430 places are not inhabitable.
 
Denny Crane said:
Those aren't immediate death numbers.

There are 430 commercial nuclear reactors in the world. Those 430 places are not inhabitable.
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You shouldn't be incoherent at 5 in the morning. Sleep it off.
 
jlprk said:
You shouldn't be incoherent at 5 in the morning. Sleep it off.
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What?

The list aren't immediate death numbers. It lists estimates of cancer deaths in the decades following, for example. Still pale in comparison to deaths by automobile in a single year in the US alone.

There really are 430 commercial nuclear reactors in the world, providing 15% of the world's energy. People go to work in the buildings there daily and don't die from it.

Chernobyl is a special case, since it was a military grade reactor (far less safety measures) built by the USSR while it was going broke.

Your chance of dying a slow and agonizing death from one of these accidents is less than being struck by lightning.
 
That's quite a calculation you found. Did they include the children who will play there 4000 years from now, and die in their 20s?

There will be eras in which the local civilization is low-tech and doesn't realize the danger. History ebbs and flows. For a few centuries, each area rules the world. For another few, it's the world dump.
 
jlprk said:
That's quite a calculation you found. Did they include the children who will play there 4000 years from now, and die in their 20s?

There will be eras in which the local civilization is low-tech and doesn't realize the danger. History ebbs and flows. For a few centuries, each area rules the world. For another few, it's the world dump.
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About as many children that will play in the ANWR wildlife reserve.
 
Denny Crane said:
Your chance of dying a slow and agonizing death from one of these accidents is less than being struck by lightning.
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Tell it to these poor souls.

http://news.msn.com/world/6-fukushima-workers-contaminated-by-latest-leak

TOKYO — Six workers at Japan's Fukushima nuclear plant were exposed to leaking radioactive water after one of them mistakenly removed a pipe to a water treatment system, the plant's operator said on Wednesday.

Tokyo Electric Power Co, also known as Tepco, has been battling to contain radioactive water at the plant, which suffered triple meltdowns and hydrogen explosions in March 2011. Regulators have criticized the utility for its handling of the problems.

In the latest incident, a worker mistakenly detached a pipe connected to a treatment system to remove salt from the hundreds of tonnes of water Tepco pumps over the melted fuel in wrecked reactors at Fukushima to keep them cool.

"Several tonnes" of water spilled at the treatment facility but were contained within the site, a Tepco spokesman said.

On Monday, Tepco said a plant worker accidentally switched off power to pumps that inject water to cool the damaged reactors. A backup system kicked in immediately, but the event was another reminder of the still precarious state of the plant.

Tepco said last week 113 gallons of contaminated water had spilled out of a storage tank at Fukushima and probably flowed into the ocean.
 
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The contamination leaks aren’t a result of technical problems with the water tanks, but rather human error. In fact, there have been at least three major leaks in the last 30 days, with several metric tons of contaminated water seeping into the ground and running off into the ocean, and all of the accidents were results of sloppy mistakes, rather than mechanical failures.

“It is extremely regrettable that contaminated water leaked because of human error,” said Katsuhiko Ikeda, the administrative head of the Nuclear Regulation Authority. “We must say on-site management is extremely poor.”

Engineers and industrial experts have blamed Tepco for its carelessness in handling the contaminated water, pointing to protective barriers that are too low, insufficient inspection records of the tanks, a lack of water gauges, and the company’s decision to lay connecting hoses directly on the grassy ground. Regulators have even criticized Tepco for lacking the basic skills to properly measure radioactivity.

"As far as Tepco people on our contaminated water and sea monitoring panels are concerned, they seem to lack even the most basic knowledge about radiation," said Kayoko Nakamura, a radiologist and commissioner of the Nuclear Regulation Authority. "I really think they should acquire adequate expertise and commitment needed for the job.”

http://www.ibtimes.com/fukushima-ra...ly-asks-world-help-two-years-too-late-1416058
 
Denny Crane said:
Chernobyl is a special case, since it was a military grade reactor (far less safety measures) built by the USSR while it was going broke.
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But while Chernobyl and Fukushima were the only two nuclear disasters to measure Level 7 on the International Nuclear Event Scale, Chernobyl only contained 180 tons of nuclear material prior to the catastrophe; comparatively, Fukushima contained 1,760 tons of nuclear material.

http://www.ibtimes.com/fukushima-ra...ly-asks-world-help-two-years-too-late-1416058
 
Yeah Denny's the one with perspective.

There's no reason to get more worked up over this than house fires.
 
Goodness. A guy standing 0 feet from nuclear radiation gets a dose? Yeah, I do feel for the guy, but: 1) we're not standing 0 feet from nuclear radiation and 2) he voluntary chose a very dangerous thing to do. People died building the golden gate bridge and hoover dam, too.

Yep, I am experiencing a slow and agonizing death. Slow because it'll take at least 70 years (I hope) and agonizing because I'll have been married for most of those.
 
Denny Crane said:
Goodness. A guy standing 0 feet from nuclear radiation gets a dose? Yeah, I do feel for the guy, but: 1) we're not standing 0 feet from nuclear radiation and 2) he voluntary chose a very dangerous thing to do. People died building the golden gate bridge and hoover dam, too.

Yep, I am experiencing a slow and agonizing death. Slow because it'll take at least 70 years (I hope) and agonizing because I'll have been married for most of those.
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Never heard of divorce? If that's how you feel why not give your wife a chance at happiness?
 
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