Game Thread PRESEASON GAME# 1: JAZZ @ BLAZERS - OCTOBER 3, 2016 - MONDAY, 7:00 PM (PST), NBATV & CSNNW

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Which player was the most pleasant surprise of Fan Fest?


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There was a point when they were talking about paintball and both Hurd and Calabro kinda relaxed a bit and seemed more comfortable. I think even though they have worked together it will take a few games to establish a solid flow together and chemistry.
 
IMO, I think we should lose Montero, Quarterman, & Connie. Montero & Connie... don't think they'll ever be good by NBA standards (however... IF it came down to Connie or Montero, I'd keep Montero over Connie) but... I think they'll improve/got enough to make a living outside the NBA (pretty certain they'll make more overseas vs. than ever in the NBA). Quarterman... things seem too far over his head; I'd question if he could make a living overseas, therefore: definitely not cut out to be a Blazer/even in the NBA. I like some of the things we've seen from the rest of the end of the bench guys, we need/can use them.

ps w/ Connie... let him play his base-ball :wink:
 
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Calabro was awesome as expected. I love how he didn't have that lull and panic that MB used to have whenever the other team went on a run.

But Hurd lacks the charm that Rice used to provide. And his analysis was weak.

1 game, but these guys have 0 chemistry. Any conversation between the two seemed contrived. Gotta give em 20 games to figure it out.
This is exactly how I felt.
 
Calabro was awesome as expected. I love how he didn't have that lull and panic that MB used to have whenever the other team went on a run.

But Hurd lacks the charm that Rice used to provide. And his analysis was weak.

1 game, but these guys have 0 chemistry. Any conversation between the two seemed contrived. Gotta give em 20 games to figure it out.
IMO that Hurd guy tries to be too entertaining. I don't want him to be a celebrity. I don't want him to be a young hip comedian. I want him to provide technical and strategic insights to the game. And not talk too much.
 
I'd be curious to revisit Mike and Mike's first Blazer broadcast as a team and see how they compare....after a couple of decades it's kind of an unfair comparison to stack the new crew up against the vets we're used to behind the microphones...in the end, I think they'll be a better team of broadcasters
 
It always amazes me that people look down on getting it right. When there is a bad call, it should be highlighted and it should be used as an excuse. It's inherently unfair and against the spirit of sport. Bad calls are BAD for the game. The Oregon-Nebraska game SHOULD have an asterisk after it. If that game was called evenly, Oregon wins by 10. Go back to the Lakers-Blazers game 7. Portland most likely has another championship if not for absolutely being jobbed by the referees. This practice of ignoring blatant incompetence or favoritism plays against the very essence of competition.
YA! What this kid said!
 
YA! What this kid said!
refs didn't win that game for Nebraska though....all they had to do was kick PATs and they win....Riley out coached Helfrich and Nebraska plays defense...nobody should bitch about the Ducks sucking on defense and losing on penalties like they did. Their offense was never on the field
 
refs didn't win that game for Nebraska though....all they had to do was kick PATs and they win....Riley out coached Helfrich and Nebraska plays defense...nobody should bitch about the Ducks sucking on defense and losing on penalties like they did. Their offense was never on the field
Ya! What the old geek said!
 
Some fun facts.

AC had 77% of his 2pt makes last year off assists.
AC had 96% of his 3pt makes last year off assists.

That is just absurd. He rarely created for himself. Him adding that look to his game would make him far more of an offensive threat even if it reduces his efficiency.

As a comparison, you look at Dame's numbers. 20% of his 2pt makes were off assists, and only 47% of his 3pt makes were assisted.

Not sure those stats by AC are really a negative. Guys like Dame are an exception. I really don't want to see our players creating 3 pt shots for themselves. They really need to be wide open before shooting them IMO. Which means they need to be passed the ball.

However we definitely need AC to create his own 2 pt shot . I never thought it was because he couldn't before, but more that he did not feel confident taking over the offense when you had Dame, CJ, and Hendo trying to do the same. This year he needs to be forced to do it early on, so he is ready by playoff time.
 
UTA == OVERRATED

I get that it's just one game, and the starters for both teams only played about 20 minutes, but the Jazz looked EXACTLY like I thought they would. That offense is just plain ugly. How they can play at such a godawful slow pace and still turn the ball over so much defies logic. That was a big problem for them last year (tied for 3rd worst in TOV% despite of playing at the slowest pace, by far), and doesn't look like it's changed.

They still don't have a go to scorer. And, like I mentioned in one of the preseason threads, their best scorers are also their worst defenders.

Best bench in the NBA???? LMAO at that one. Those key off season acquisitions look like the shit I predicted they would. It cracks me up that the national media thinks 100 year old Iso Joe Johnson, Fat, lazy Boris Diaw and George Hill are going to take this team from lottery to HCA in the West.

As I've mentioned several times, the only player on that roster that's ever averaged more than 20 ppg is 35-year old Joe Johnson, but what I haven't mentioned is the last time Joe Jonhson averaged 20 ppg so did Brandon Roy. And, Johnson's defense is even worse than bone-on-bone era Roy. He was -22 in 16 minutes. Expect more of the same Jazz fans. They signed Jonson to a two year $22 million deal. It doesn't sound that bad, in total dollars, considering some of the other contracts handed out this summer, but $11 million a year tied up in a guy who is 35 years old, primarily known as a scorer, who hasn't outscored the guy he's guarding in 4 years, doesn't sound like bargain to me. This article, by Ben Golliver, about the Johnson signing cracks me up. An A-???? Really? $11 million a year for a 35-year old has been? OK Ben if you say so. This is typical Golliver. Ever since he went national, he deliberately slights the Blazers and piles ridiculous, undeserved praise on their division rivals. He's so desperate to shake the Portland guy image, he completely overcompensates to the point of being ridiculous. Eventually, bullshit like rating the Johnson signing an A- will destroy any shred of credibility he may have left. Note to Ben: old guys get worse, young guys get better. You may want to remember that in the future.

Then there's that lack of ball movement in Nate McSnyder's "offense". Only 17 assists to 19 turnovers while scoring less than 90 points. How is that even possible? We keep hearing about how they have shored up the PG position by trading for Hill and getting Exum back. The two combined for 4 assists last night. In fact, the only player on their roster that had more than 2 assists was Shelvin Mack, whose play at PG last year was considered the main thing holding them back. Guess what, even though Mack is a shoot first (and second and third PG) that is incredibly turnover prone, he's still the best passer they have on their roster. I'd love to see him starting by the end of the year, which would mean they gave up a lottery pick to get George Hill and he's not any better than the D-League guy they pulled off the scrap heap last year.

We had 4 guys with more than 2 assists to their 1. That, my friends, is the difference between a Terry Stotts offense and a Quin Snyder offense.

And is ANYONE surprised that without the threat of Pop looming, Boris Diaw gained 3o pounds this summer? Gee, no one saw that one coming...

The one guy who looked better than I expected is Exum. Well, at least he shot the ball better than he has in the past, but it's only one game. He's still very young and coming back off a major knee injury.

Note: Rodney Hood is NOT a star. We have (at least) three guards on our team better than their best guard. With his length, you think Hood would be a good defender, but Crabbe totally abused him (and Hayward) last night.

Speaking of Crabbe, I LOVED what I saw last night - actually scoring off the dribble and not just a $75 million stand still shooter. That step back, off the dribble, 3-pointer when he torched Rodney Hood was a thing of beauty. If we see more of that from Crabbe (and he did it more than once last night), he'll be worth the money and we may just have the best 3 guard rotation in the league.

Yep, just one preseason game, but it totally reinforces everything I believe to be true about both of these teams.

BNM

P.S. Fuck you national media. As Dame would say, "thanks for the motivation".

$$$$

It's still surprises me that the national media doesn't give Olshey and Stotts the benefit of the doubt. For example they think giving $70m to Evan Turner was a joke. Just like last year, when they laughed at the contract Aminu got.

Olshey and Stotts have proven time and time again that they know what they're doing. I really couldn't care less if the media wants to acknowledge it, but I will continue to laugh when they ignore it while they pimp some scrub squad like the Jizz instead.
 
Fun fact: When Joe Johnson got the ball, I yelled out loud "Iso Joe!" He immediately threw up and air ball and my kids loled like mad :)

UTA == OVERRATED

I get that it's just one game, and the starters for both teams only played about 20 minutes, but the Jazz looked EXACTLY like I thought they would. That offense is just plain ugly. How they can play at such a godawful slow pace and still turn the ball over so much defies logic. That was a big problem for them last year (tied for 3rd worst in TOV% despite of playing at the slowest pace, by far), and doesn't look like it's changed.

They still don't have a go to scorer. And, like I mentioned in one of the preseason threads, their best scorers are also their worst defenders.

Best bench in the NBA???? LMAO at that one. Those key off season acquisitions look like the shit I predicted they would. It cracks me up that the national media thinks 100 year old Iso Joe Johnson, Fat, lazy Boris Diaw and George Hill are going to take this team from lottery to HCA in the West.

As I've mentioned several times, the only player on that roster that's ever averaged more than 20 ppg is 35-year old Joe Johnson, but what I haven't mentioned is the last time Joe Jonhson averaged 20 ppg so did Brandon Roy. And, Johnson's defense is even worse than bone-on-bone era Roy. He was -22 in 16 minutes. Expect more of the same Jazz fans. They signed Jonson to a two year $22 million deal. It doesn't sound that bad, in total dollars, considering some of the other contracts handed out this summer, but $11 million a year tied up in a guy who is 35 years old, primarily known as a scorer, who hasn't outscored the guy he's guarding in 4 years, doesn't sound like bargain to me. This article, by Ben Golliver, about the Johnson signing cracks me up. An A-???? Really? $11 million a year for a 35-year old has been? OK Ben if you say so. This is typical Golliver. Ever since he went national, he deliberately slights the Blazers and piles ridiculous, undeserved praise on their division rivals. He's so desperate to shake the Portland guy image, he completely overcompensates to the point of being ridiculous. Eventually, bullshit like rating the Johnson signing an A- will destroy any shred of credibility he may have left. Note to Ben: old guys get worse, young guys get better. You may want to remember that in the future.

Then there's that lack of ball movement in Nate McSnyder's "offense". Only 17 assists to 19 turnovers while scoring less than 90 points. How is that even possible? We keep hearing about how they have shored up the PG position by trading for Hill and getting Exum back. The two combined for 4 assists last night. In fact, the only player on their roster that had more than 2 assists was Shelvin Mack, whose play at PG last year was considered the main thing holding them back. Guess what, even though Mack is a shoot first (and second and third PG) that is incredibly turnover prone, he's still the best passer they have on their roster. I'd love to see him starting by the end of the year, which would mean they gave up a lottery pick to get George Hill and he's not any better than the D-League guy they pulled off the scrap heap last year.

We had 4 guys with more than 2 assists to their 1. That, my friends, is the difference between a Terry Stotts offense and a Quin Snyder offense.

And is ANYONE surprised that without the threat of Pop looming, Boris Diaw gained 3o pounds this summer? Gee, no one saw that one coming...

The one guy who looked better than I expected is Exum. Well, at least he shot the ball better than he has in the past, but it's only one game. He's still very young and coming back off a major knee injury.

Note: Rodney Hood is NOT a star. We have (at least) three guards on our team better than their best guard. With his length, you think Hood would be a good defender, but Crabbe totally abused him (and Hayward) last night.

Speaking of Crabbe, I LOVED what I saw last night - actually scoring off the dribble and not just a $75 million stand still shooter. That step back, off the dribble, 3-pointer when he torched Rodney Hood was a thing of beauty. If we see more of that from Crabbe (and he did it more than once last night), he'll be worth the money and we may just have the best 3 guard rotation in the league.

Yep, just one preseason game, but it totally reinforces everything I believe to be true about both of these teams.

BNM

P.S. Fuck you national media. As Dame would say, "thanks for the motivation".
 
Barrett had the mellow Pacific Northwestern personality. Rice had the humorous rebelliousness of an old Western hippy. The new Blazer Business Manager from Southern California replaced everyone with more foreign, standard types. Calabro & Hurd are good by conformist standards, but some resentment will remain as we take it out on Hurd. Hurd had good analysis last night, but his youth lacks the weight to be endearingly funny like Rice.
 
Another quick hit:
When it comes to starting, it's Moe 1, ET 0. Stotts said not to read anything into who started the game, so I'm not. ET was good, but Harkless was markedly better.
Some quick hits from the game:

Crabbe showed awesome step-back 3s which he was confident in - maybe the Nets knew something!

I expect a lot of success in the preseason - we're deep, and in a format where your starters only play 20 minutes, depth wins out.

Davis was a beast - his +/- was +20 in 17 minutes, wow!

With Turner, Crabbe, and Davis coming off the bench, it should be a fantastic year.

I'm on the Jerrett bandwagon, and this game certainly didn't change that. The others seemed OK, but none of the bubblers seemed to break out.

Annoyed that we went down 13-2, but thrilled that we finished the game 97-76, and that's with our DLeague team in at the end.

We played harder than they did, we wanted it more. Hopefully we can sustain that type of effort.

New broadcast crew are fine, but not nearly as good as Mike and Mike.

Surprised at how good Napier played.

Utah is very good, but....... they're not the Blazers. Sorry national preseason prognosticators!
 
Not sure those stats by AC are really a negative. Guys like Dame are an exception. I really don't want to see our players creating 3 pt shots for themselves. They really need to be wide open before shooting them IMO. Which means they need to be passed the ball.

However we definitely need AC to create his own 2 pt shot . I never thought it was because he couldn't before, but more that he did not feel confident taking over the offense when you had Dame, CJ, and Hendo trying to do the same. This year he needs to be forced to do it early on, so he is ready by playoff time.
They're not negative.

But they are very indicative of his game and his deficiencies. And it appears from all accounts, he's addressed some of those deficiencies this summer.
 
I've been thinking more about the Mike and Mike thing and I'm getting more irritated by it. I went into the game last night completely open minded to the new announcing team. By the end of the game I was bored. And then I got angry. Old Portland is dead and/or dying and this is just one more nail in the coffin. For that reason, I hate it. It matters that Mike and Mike possessed obvious civic pride. It mattered that Rice was a little goofy and odd. It mattered that the players trusted them. It really fucking matters that they were adored by MOST Blazers fans. I just want to hold on to one fucking shred of the Portland I grew up in. I've already been priced out of the city. I'll never be able to justify living there again. VQ is closing, Bombay Cricket Club closed, the Rialto is closing, and these are just a few examples of old Portland dying. I hate it. It may not be fair to Calabro or Hurd because honestly they did an ok job. I'm just bitter.
 
Obviously it was only their first game but I'm not sold on Calabro at all. It didn't feel like I was listening to a Blazers broadcast. He sounds like a generic national TV play by play guy.. A good example is that he called Aminu "The Chief", which I don't think I had heard before. That's something an ESPN guy trying to pretend like he knew our team would say. I hope he gets better.
 
Barrett had the mellow Pacific Northwestern personality. Rice had the humorous rebelliousness of an old Western hippy. The new Blazer Business Manager from Southern California replaced everyone with more foreign, standard types. Calabro & Hurd are good by conformist standards, but some resentment will remain as we take it out on Hurd. Hurd had good analysis last night, but his youth lacks the weight to be endearingly funny like Rice.

I missed the Mikes last night, like I would miss any old friend I have watched games with in my TV room for the past 20 years. It seemed odd they were not there to enjoy in the victory. They were great Homers. I wish they could be part of the organization in a different capacity, because although I missed them, I really enjoyed hearing a new voice. I thought Calabro and Hurd were very refreshing. I was not annoyed once.
 
Calabro & Hurd pack more information into each minute. Barrett & Rice are more breezy. I found myself concentrating to absorb Calabro's quick narrative.

No more drinking while watching the game!

Maybe Comcast could give Barrett & Rice some football games. There is more small talk time to kill between plays. Verbally, a game of strength, not quickness.
 
Calabro was a corporate hire to give the team more credibility from the outside. I don't like it, but I get it. Calabro is better than Barrett. The problem is I don't see the chemistry with Hurd ever getting to the level of mike and mike. I actually don't think Hurd will be in Portland for long. I get the impression that he's using the gig to springboard to something bigger, which is fine, but I won't be getting invested in him.
 
I've been thinking more about the Mike and Mike thing and I'm getting more irritated by it. I went into the game last night completely open minded to the new announcing team. By the end of the game I was bored. And then I got angry. Old Portland is dead and/or dying and this is just one more nail in the coffin. For that reason, I hate it. It matters that Mike and Mike possessed obvious civic pride. It mattered that Rice was a little goofy and odd. It mattered that the players trusted them. It really fucking matters that they were adored by MOST Blazers fans. I just want to hold on to one fucking shred of the Portland I grew up in. I've already been priced out of the city. I'll never be able to justify living there again. VQ is closing, Bombay Cricket Club closed, the Rialto is closing, and these are just a few examples of old Portland dying. I hate it. It may not be fair to Calabro or Hurd because honestly they did an ok job. I'm just bitter.

The new generation of Portlanders will the say the same thing one day. It's all a revolving door. I like change. enjoy it
 
Everyone in this thread is saying that Turner had a good game, but I say he sucked. Look at the box score.

http://www.espn.com/nba/dailyleaders/_/gameId/400899189

Yes because the box score tells everything. He looked good to me. Has a good midrange shot, creates his own shot, creates well for others (should've had a lot more assists, guys missed open looks off his passes) and is a solid defender.
 
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Not to mention Lotus is closing too. I just don't like it!

Ok I'm done /Rant
 
Everyone in this thread is saying that Turner had a good game, but I say he sucked. Look at the box score.

I missed the Mikes last night

I don't think everyone is saying ET had a good game. I don't think he has been mentioned much at all. Not compared to the other players. But I also don't need to look at a box score to determine his value. He made some bad passes and he missed some shots....but the team played well when he was on the floor.
 
Having only listened to the game, I have been exceedingly encouraged by all the positive reports regarding Crabbe. If his offensive game has become as varied and deadly as people are indicating, we could have a 6MOY candidate on our hands.
Yeah Crabbe looked really really good. Had a couple of flea flickers and some good passing off the drive. He will surprise opponents early who are used to his old scouting report.
 

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