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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capt. Comeback @ Jun 11 2007, 08:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PurplePeopleEaters @ Jun 11 2007, 07:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Because idiots like you still think he's a muslim. 👍</div>I said he practiced the muslim religion, which probably means he's still muslim in one way or another. You don't usually go to a religious school for one religion and then convert later on. But apparently I'm an idiot, but do you actually think that Obama has a chance with that on his past record? Not a chance in hell.</div>Wait, so you're saying that if i go to a christian school because of limited school choices in my area and convert to islam later in life that i'm still christian? That doesn't make much sense. It's impossible to call him out on the fact that he grew up muslim because he's not muslim and it would be extremely stupid on the part of another candidate or organization at risk of disrespecting the muslim community. He is a practicing christian, not a muslim (not that it should matter if he IS a muslim which isn't the fact). And yes, I do think he has a chance with that on his past record.. I don't see why it matters that at one point in his life he was a muslim. At one point bush was a pot smoking idiot failing out of college while partying all day at his fraternity and ducking the draft. He's not any more (although he's still an idiot). Did that stop him?
 
A lot of idiots were pot smoking draft dodgers during Vietnam...
 
Who gives a dam about what religion someone is?? Gay marriage and abortion are stupid issues. I don't like government that tells people how to live their life.
 
Thank you. Not everyone in america is as close-minded as you. No one gives a shit if he's a FORMER-muslim. If anything, he can truly say that he "found christ" rather than people who were born into a religion and went with it. It shows that he speaks for himself and doesn't base his thought off of what judgemental people think. And again.. How can anyone have a mud-slinging campaign against his FORMER religion? that would be politically incorrect and no candidate or organization would risk getting destroyed by the media by doing that. How can another candidate bring that up in a debate? "Hey Barack, your dad was muslim so you cant lead this country against radical muslim extremist terrorists." I'm sure the american public would love that.He won in a landslide in illinois, normally a swing state. Who says he cant win the rest of america? Is it that proposterous to have someone with a different color skin as our president? Are we that far in the dark ages that we cant accept a person with another fucking skin color despite the fact that he's the best candidate?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PurplePeopleEaters @ Jun 12 2007, 11:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Thank you. Not everyone in america is as close-minded as you. No one gives a shit if he's a FORMER-muslim. If anything, he can truly say that he "found christ" rather than people who were born into a religion and went with it. It shows that he speaks for himself and doesn't base his thought off of what judgemental people think. And again.. How can anyone have a mud-slinging campaign against his FORMER religion? that would be politically incorrect and no candidate or organization would risk getting destroyed by the media by doing that. How can another candidate bring that up in a debate? "Hey Barack, your dad was muslim so you cant lead this country against radical muslim extremist terrorists." I'm sure the american public would love that.He won in a landslide in illinois, normally a swing state. Who says he cant win the rest of america? Is it that proposterous to have someone with a different color skin as our president? Are we that far in the dark ages that we cant accept a person with another fucking skin color despite the fact that he's the best candidate?</div>Illinois is not a swing state. We are a heavy democratic state. Reagon only won it b/c he's from Illinois. And about the question if everyone here is white, the answer is no. I'm not white.
 
PPE, not to be mean or anything, but you must live in a very sheltered world if you believe that this country has gotten that far in racial/religious issues. Sure, a lot don't care but there is a significant group of people that would go against Barack and Hillary because of their race and sex. To believe otherwise is cutting off a major part of society. It would be taking the good without the bad when the country is a whole.I wonder if Hillary and Barack can even get their own votes. Hillary might be viewed by some woman as a power grabbing feminist (hence the jokes about her femininity complex on Comedy Central) while Barack may be viewed as "too white" for his race (hence all the jokes about his "blackness" on Comedy Central). And trust me, Comedy Central is a lot more influential on the young voter (which will be a huge key in winning states) than CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox News, or CNN can be.
 
(Cleaned up the Topic)Watch it. Nobody here is racist (That I know of, or want to know of), his point was simply that there are racists in this country who wouldn't vote for the guy just because of his skin color, and in an election that very well could be extremely close, that could be enough to cost him it. This country has come a far way in terms of helping to fix the racial divide, but not close to far enough.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Jun 13 2007, 04:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>PPE, not to be mean or anything, but you must live in a very sheltered world if you believe that this country has gotten that far in racial/religious issues. Sure, a lot don't care but there is a significant group of people that would go against Barack and Hillary because of their race and sex. To believe otherwise is cutting off a major part of society. It would be taking the good without the bad when the country is a whole.I wonder if Hillary and Barack can even get their own votes. Hillary might be viewed by some woman as a power grabbing feminist (hence the jokes about her femininity complex on Comedy Central) while Barack may be viewed as "too white" for his race (hence all the jokes about his "blackness" on Comedy Central). And trust me, Comedy Central is a lot more influential on the young voter (which will be a huge key in winning states) than CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox News, or CNN can be.</div>I live in redneckville in god damn north carolina where idiots have confederate flag bumper stickers on their f-250's right next to their #8 nascar decal. Don't give me sheltered world. As a whole, the country is not that racist, and believe me, I know some extremely racist people. The racist people in the US likely aren't very liberal and wouldn't vote for Obama anyways.. doesn't make that much of a difference. I don't think independent voters are going to think more about race than issues. But regardless of all that I DID say that he wouldn't be a great presidential candidate, rather a good Vice Presidential candidate. And for the record, If you think comedy central has that much of an influence, then the Daily show and Colbert Report (if people understand that its irony) will completely screw every republican candidate other than Ron Paul. Jon Stewart completely lights into Giuliani and Romney and McCain's just too easy for them to make fun of.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PurplePeopleEaters @ Jun 14 2007, 10:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Jun 13 2007, 04:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>PPE, not to be mean or anything, but you must live in a very sheltered world if you believe that this country has gotten that far in racial/religious issues. Sure, a lot don't care but there is a significant group of people that would go against Barack and Hillary because of their race and sex. To believe otherwise is cutting off a major part of society. It would be taking the good without the bad when the country is a whole.I wonder if Hillary and Barack can even get their own votes. Hillary might be viewed by some woman as a power grabbing feminist (hence the jokes about her femininity complex on Comedy Central) while Barack may be viewed as "too white" for his race (hence all the jokes about his "blackness" on Comedy Central). And trust me, Comedy Central is a lot more influential on the young voter (which will be a huge key in winning states) than CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox News, or CNN can be.</div>I live in redneckville in god damn north carolina where idiots have confederate flag bumper stickers on their f-250's right next to their #8 nascar decal. Don't give me sheltered world. As a whole, the country is not that racist, and believe me, I know some extremely racist people. The racist people in the US likely aren't very liberal and wouldn't vote for Obama anyways.. doesn't make that much of a difference. I don't think independent voters are going to think more about race than issues. But regardless of all that I DID say that he wouldn't be a great presidential candidate, rather a good Vice Presidential candidate. And for the record, If you think comedy central has that much of an influence, then the Daily show and Colbert Report (if people understand that its irony) will completely screw every republican candidate other than Ron Paul. Jon Stewart completely lights into Giuliani and Romney and McCain's just too easy for them to make fun of.</div>Whammy!
 
Redneck areas aren't the only racist areas in America. The country as a whole still has pretty racist feelings. Why do you think every single racial comment gets blown up by the media? Cause RACE STILL MATTERS.The most populated parts of the country, urban areas, are pretty damn racist too. You hear on the news how black people say they won't vote for a white candidate cause they don't know about the black plight while you hear white people say they won't vote for a black candidate because they aren't raised upon the "white values." This is BALTIMORE CITY (don't live in the city but news covers it) and simply MAYOR elections. You think on a national basis, those people wouldn't make the same choices because "issues" matter?Presidential platform awareness has dropped tremendously since the era of the television. Fewer people are watching presidential debates each election and more and more people are voting based on 1 issue out of stem cell, abortion, or gay rights especially the young demographic who just don't have time to vote or care about the election. Don't think so? Think about the number of recently graduated high school seniors that work blue collar jobs yet have the right to vote. They work 2 jobs from 6:30 AM to 11 PM. Why would they care about politics when they simply have to care about providing for the family?Go to a high school. Ask how many people watch the news on a regular basis, 3-5 out of 30 GIFTED & TALENTED kids would say yes. Ask how many people watch the Colbert Report, Daily Show, Mind of Mencia, (and Dave Chappelle back in the day) etc. on Comedy Central on a regular basis, more than half would say yes.Plus, Colbert is a basher of the right wing, Stewart more the left wing (although both shows take shots at both sides the lean is there)
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Jun 16 2007, 12:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Redneck areas aren't the only racist areas in America. The country as a whole still has pretty racist feelings. Why do you think every single racial comment gets blown up by the media? Cause RACE STILL MATTERS.The most populated parts of the country, urban areas, are pretty damn racist too. You hear on the news how black people say they won't vote for a white candidate cause they don't know about the black plight while you hear white people say they won't vote for a black candidate because they aren't raised upon the "white values." This is BALTIMORE CITY (don't live in the city but news covers it) and simply MAYOR elections. You think on a national basis, those people wouldn't make the same choices because "issues" matter?Presidential platform awareness has dropped tremendously since the era of the television. Fewer people are watching presidential debates each election and more and more people are voting based on 1 issue out of stem cell, abortion, or gay rights especially the young demographic who just don't have time to vote or care about the election. Don't think so? Think about the number of recently graduated high school seniors that work blue collar jobs yet have the right to vote. They work 2 jobs from 6:30 AM to 11 PM. Why would they care about politics when they simply have to care about providing for the family?Go to a high school. Ask how many people watch the news on a regular basis, 3-5 out of 30 GIFTED & TALENTED kids would say yes. Ask how many people watch the Colbert Report, Daily Show, Mind of Mencia, (and Dave Chappelle back in the day) etc. on Comedy Central on a regular basis, more than half would say yes.Plus, Colbert is a basher of the right wing, Stewart more the left wing (although both shows take shots at both sides the lean is there)</div>I think if it came down to it and people actually sat down and took a look at the candidates, which will happen before 2008, Obama would have a fairly good chance of winning especially against the retards the republicans are putting up for nomination. At least in Baltimore you have people debating race in your mayor elections. It's not a choice here. No african-americans run here unless they are complete neo-cons which is rare. This is the home state of Jesse Helms.
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I do understand where you're coming from though. We do still live in a racist world from both sides of the racial spectrum. I just think that the american people aren't going to vote solely on race and will look at individual parts of the presidential platform that benefits them, at least in the states that matter.That single high school graduate does have a reason to care about the election if they really care about their living style and how each different candidate may complement it. You also have to remember that that person isn't going to vote if they dont care about the election.. how is that going to help of hurt obama and how does that tie into the race issue? And I don't know how much Daily Show you watch if you think Stewart leans to the right. I can tell you right now that Stewart did not vote for Bush and will not vote for the next republican candidate, especially if its Giuliani. Colbert has intense satire against the conservatives to the point that he makes his show like a satire of fox news blind patriotism. I am willing to bet that both of them are liberals outside of their work but like to diss everyone for the sake of viewership ratings and because they are "anti-politician". And plus if you cant make fun of yourself you shouldnt be able to make fun of anyone.
 
Seriously, when do you think Americans will sit and read or listen to the presidential candidates? This country is nothing except for some lazy bastards that make computers and other technology do everything for them. Go out and survey 100 people and see how many watch/listen to any presidential candidate speeches, debates, or any other source of info. And along with that, since next to no one will listen or read anything about issues in the presidential election, nobody cares about issues. Maybe a few major ones, but the people just want to see the main thing in the issue and how it would be resolved, they wouldn't go in depth. That pretty much leaves it down to race and which party you settle for based on your job and belief system of government. The country is pretty split on being Republican and Democratic. America has just become too lazy of a country to even care anymore about this kind of thing. They know it affects their life tremendously, yet it doesn't phaze anybody. Can you honestly say that a lot of people you know sit and listen to the news or go on the internet to research the topics and resolutions each candidate has? I know I can't name many, if any at all.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PurplePeopleEaters @ Jun 15 2007, 09:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Jun 16 2007, 12:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Redneck areas aren't the only racist areas in America. The country as a whole still has pretty racist feelings. Why do you think every single racial comment gets blown up by the media? Cause RACE STILL MATTERS.The most populated parts of the country, urban areas, are pretty damn racist too. You hear on the news how black people say they won't vote for a white candidate cause they don't know about the black plight while you hear white people say they won't vote for a black candidate because they aren't raised upon the "white values." This is BALTIMORE CITY (don't live in the city but news covers it) and simply MAYOR elections. You think on a national basis, those people wouldn't make the same choices because "issues" matter?Presidential platform awareness has dropped tremendously since the era of the television. Fewer people are watching presidential debates each election and more and more people are voting based on 1 issue out of stem cell, abortion, or gay rights especially the young demographic who just don't have time to vote or care about the election. Don't think so? Think about the number of recently graduated high school seniors that work blue collar jobs yet have the right to vote. They work 2 jobs from 6:30 AM to 11 PM. Why would they care about politics when they simply have to care about providing for the family?Go to a high school. Ask how many people watch the news on a regular basis, 3-5 out of 30 GIFTED & TALENTED kids would say yes. Ask how many people watch the Colbert Report, Daily Show, Mind of Mencia, (and Dave Chappelle back in the day) etc. on Comedy Central on a regular basis, more than half would say yes.Plus, Colbert is a basher of the right wing, Stewart more the left wing (although both shows take shots at both sides the lean is there)</div>I think if it came down to it and people actually sat down and took a look at the candidates, which will happen before 2008, Obama would have a fairly good chance of winning especially against the retards the republicans are putting up for nomination. At least in Baltimore you have people debating race in your mayor elections. It's not a choice here. No african-americans run here unless they are complete neo-cons which is rare. This is the home state of Jesse Helms.
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I do understand where you're coming from though. We do still live in a racist world from both sides of the racial spectrum. I just think that the american people aren't going to vote solely on race and will look at individual parts of the presidential platform that benefits them, at least in the states that matter.That single high school graduate does have a reason to care about the election if they really care about their living style and how each different candidate may complement it. You also have to remember that that person isn't going to vote if they dont care about the election.. how is that going to help of hurt obama and how does that tie into the race issue? And I don't know how much Daily Show you watch if you think Stewart leans to the right. I can tell you right now that Stewart did not vote for Bush and will not vote for the next republican candidate, especially if its Giuliani. Colbert has intense satire against the conservatives to the point that he makes his show like a satire of fox news blind patriotism. I am willing to bet that both of them are liberals outside of their work but like to diss everyone for the sake of viewership ratings and because they are "anti-politician". And plus if you cant make fun of yourself you shouldnt be able to make fun of anyone.</div>Because statistically, blue collar workers are minorities.
 
Statistically more Americans agree with Ron Paul on more of the issues than any other Candidate, yet he trails in the polls. Proving that most people don't vote on the issues, they vote on the politics of it all. More people care that John Edwards got a couple of expensive haircuts than that he has the best plan to combat poverty. More Americans care Obama has non-traditional foundations than that he is the biggest broad strokes thinker of the group. In a perfect world, everyone would vote on which candidate they felt would do the most good for the country, but sadly we don't. In fact, the majority of voters don't vote on the issues. They vote on bumper sticker slogans and funny one-liners from press conferences.
 
I agree more with DJ Paul. He's a dawg that you cannot trust. If you leave your green around him, well, your green will get lit up. If you leave your drink around him your drink will get drunk up. Also, if you leave your girl around him.. well she's going to get stuck.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brooksie5 @ Jun 17 2007, 03:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I agree more with DJ Paul. He's a dawg that you cannot trust. If you leave your green around him, well, your green will get lit up. If you leave your drink around him your drink will get drunk up. Also, if you leave your girl around him.. well she's going to get stuck.</div>Ha I wonder if the old timers will get this one.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Jun 17 2007, 05:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Statistically more Americans agree with Ron Paul on more of the issues than any other Candidate, yet he trails in the polls. Proving that most people don't vote on the issues, they vote on the politics of it all. More people care that John Edwards got a couple of expensive haircuts than that he has the best plan to combat poverty. More Americans care Obama has non-traditional foundations than that he is the biggest broad strokes thinker of the group. In a perfect world, everyone would vote on which candidate they felt would do the most good for the country, but sadly we don't. In fact, the majority of voters don't vote on the issues. They vote on bumper sticker slogans and funny one-liners from press conferences.</div>Although last I checked, Hilary and Obama were leading in head to head polls with Edwards in a close 3rd. (Giuliani, McCain, and Romney following in that order). Apparently Bush's 28% approval rating is bringing down the other Republican candidates. It'll be interesting to watch this play out. That said, I agree with the whole problem of people not voting for the right reasons. People get wrapped up in all the stupid hoopla surrounding elections that they forget what will actually help him. People made such a big deal out of John Kerry's "flip-flopping" and the stupid neo-con veterans who told the media that Kerry didn't deserve his purple hearts that they re-elected Bush of all people.
 
Would you guys go against party lines and vote independent if MICHAEL BLOOMBERG runs for president?I personally hope he runs for president. If there's an independent candidate that has ever had a legit shot at winning, Bloomberg is the one. At a time where people have completely had it with bi-partisan politics, a candidate like Bloomberg, in my mind, could be a serious contender. We haven't seen a serious "3rd party" candidate that could really win since Teddy Roosevelt and the Bull-Moose Party BUT he did fall far short of winning. He's not like past independent candidates where they were too idealistic or simply wanted to persecute people. He's done a good job in New York City as far as I've heard (a few excerpts from MSN: he pushed aside the crony-ridden Board of Education and began directly trying to tame the teachers union, with some results measured in record high-school-graduation rates. banned smoking in bars and small restaurants and the use of trans fats in eateries. raised property taxes and made across-the-board spending cuts, even closing some firehouses. city finances are now sound.) He's no nonsense, get things solved before they become problems. In my eyes, that's much better than Guiliani who is just running on 9/11 and Clinton who's running on an overly idealistic platform.And in an election where Hillary Clinton and Rudy Guiliani are the 2 leaders in the primaries... why wouldn't Bloomberg contend where he was elected overwhelmingly for his second term? For you New Yorkers on the board, who would you end up electing if those 3 New York candidates were the ones in the race for the presidency?
 
I seriously hope you are kidding that Bloomberg would even come close. He really hasn't done shit for NY schools at all except increase the amount of budget spending by upping taxes as you said. The ban for smoking in bars and all was an idea already in progress in the tri-state area. NJ has also done that, it was more of a group thought on that between governors and other state officials.He's better than having Guliani in there, I'll agree, but he isn't worth a president position. Guliani is the most overrated piece of shit there is in the political world because 9/11 happened when he was in office there. All he really did was run around and do interviews on updating the scene and telling how it was affecting certain parts of the country and city itself. He, in reality, did absolutely nothing. Now think of where you stand on Hilary. She's probably the best choice this country has at this point because she did have some say in the presidency of Bill. When Bill was president, the USA was coming out of debt beyond belief and the economy was at probably the highest point in its history. She'd be doing the same exact thing, if not close to it, as Bill was because she realizes that the country really thrived under his presidency. If she plans to differ a lot, she's a greedy bitch, but if she really cares about the position, she'll realize she needs the help of her husband.
 
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