Pritchard Fiasco Similar To What Happened In Seattle To Mike Holmgren (1 Viewer)

[ABM]

That's what's being discussed on the MSP this morning.

 

[blue32]

I still don't understand why KP has to fear for his job, just because TP was fired.
Was there something said at the presser? I've been checking out sites, but all I can find are "opinions" and not really fact.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I still don't understand why KP has to fear for his job, just because TP was fired.
Was there something said at the presser? I've been checking out sites, but all I can find are "opinions" and not really fact.

You're over thinking things. KP has fallen out of favor with Paul Allen, simple as that -- the specific reason(s)? Who knows, but it's clear that the man at the top no longer feels confident in KP's ability to manage his team.

 

[HailBlazers]

Who knows, but it's clear that the man at the top no longer feels confident in KP's ability to manage his team.

Is it? Really?

PA is dealing with Cancer right now, I don't think it's possible for anyone to understand the state he is in let alone who he is in favor of. This fact alone makes me doubt all the drama

 

[hasoos]

I don't agree with that at all. The reason Holmgren was outed in Seattle is that he wasn't getting it done. Holmgren was trying to do way too much as both GM and coach and couldn't handle the load. I don't know who really could, that is way too much for one human being to do. So they demoted him from the GM position so he could concentrate on coaching, which he did for quite a while after being demoted from the GM spot.

So, I don't see any similarities besides Vulcan being involved. To be honest, I think they made the right decision in Seattle. Holmgren wasn't getting it done.

 

[Ed O]

So, I don't see any similarities besides Vulcan being involved. To be honest, I think they made the right decision in Seattle. Holmgren wasn't getting it done.

Agreed... Holmgren had pretty much all the power and then they took some away, and then they ultimately went in another direction. The man is a legend, but he didn't win enough in Seattle.

KP is in the beginning stages of his career and has, I think most would agree, a pretty good track record of building this team to win now and into the future. He's got good guys and (my complaints notwithstanding) not too many ridiculous contracts.

I hope that this is much ado about nothing.

Ed O.

 

[Sug]

KP is not perfect. If we go in another direction all will not be lost. KP has shown that he can build a decent team, but has yet to proove that he can get that team over the hump.

 

[blue32]

You're over thinking things. KP has fallen out of favor with Paul Allen, simple as that -- the specific reason(s)? Who knows, but it's clear that the man at the top no longer feels confident in KP's ability to manage his team.

how do you know this as fact though?

 

[BGrantFan]

Is it? Really?

PA is dealing with Cancer right now, I don't think it's possible for anyone to understand the state he is in let alone who he is in favor of. This fact alone makes me doubt all the drama

Paul Allen statement: "Kevin Pritchard will be GM of the Blazers next season."

It's really that simple. If he says this, drama over, but his silence is deafening right now.

 

[Minstrel]

KP has shown that he can build a decent team, but has yet to proove that he can get that team over the hump.

That's like saying a college graduate has yet to prove he can rise to the top of his industry. Isn't that a little meaningless before he's actually had a chance to do so? Pritchard spent a few years turning a trainwreck into a very promising roster. This was really the first year that any expectations beyond just making the playoffs were reasonable, and then there was a wave of injuries.

So considering he's only so far had a chance to do the rebuilding phase, and has done that pretty excellently, I don't see how it's useful to claim he hasn't yet proven he can get a team "over the hump." He and the team are only now entering the stage where that's possible.

 

[BGrantFan]

KP is not perfect. If we go in another direction all will not be lost. KP has shown that he can build a decent team, but has yet to proove that he can get that team over the hump.

The team won 21 games the season before Pritchard took over, made the plaoffs 3 seasons later, and will make the playoffs again.

What an unfair criticism. If Pritchard had taken over, say, the Lakers, then I'd give your criticism a listen. Instead, I am forced to mock it.

The Jazz should fire Jerry Sloan. He's had 20+ years of not getting teams over the top.

 

[anonymous gambler]

That's like saying a college graduate has yet to prove he can rise to the top of his industry. Isn't that a little meaningless before he's actually had a chance to do so? Pritchard spent a few years turning a trainwreck into a very promising roster. This was really the first year that any expectations beyond just making the playoffs were reasonable, and then there was a wave of injuries.

So considering he's only so far had a chance to do the rebuilding phase, and has done that pretty excellently, I don't see how it's useful to claim he hasn't yet proven he can get a team "over the hump." He and the team are only now entering the stage where that's possible.

Repped! Exactly what I've been thinking.

 

[OddEnormous]

KP is not perfect. If we go in another direction all will not be lost. KP has shown that he can build a decent team, but has yet to proove that he can get that team over the hump.

Agreed. We should have won the last 2 championships. (At least)

PRITCHARD OUT!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Sug]

I never said he couldn't, nor did I say it was fair. The main point was pretty simple; letting go of KP is not the end of the world. As for the mocking about Sloan, can we all agree that the Jazz could have won without him? Or is this another absolute. I even gave credit to KP for building the team. I would also point out that assuming he can get the team over the hump is pretty assumptive.

 

[BGrantFan]

I never said he couldn't, nor did I say it was fair. The main point was pretty simple; letting go of KP is not the end of the world. As for the mocking about Sloan, can we all agree that the Jazz could have won without him? Or is this another absolute. I even gave credit to KP for building the team. I would also point out that assuming he can get the team over the hump is pretty assumptive.

KP has shown that he can build a decent team, but has yet to proove that he can get that team over the hump.

He's built a team that went from the shithouse and thousands of empty seats to the playoffs and 100+ sellouts in three years. If you and the Vulcans can't recognize that achievement, then I think both of you deserve what I think is coming down the pipe for this franchise once Allen's sister takes over the reigns.

 

[hasoos]

He's built a team that went from the shithouse and thousands of empty seats to the playoffs and 100+ sellouts in three years. If you and the Vulcans can't recognize that achievement, then I think both of you deserve what I think is coming down the pipe for this franchise once Allen's sister takes over the reigns.

While that is a nice achievement in itself, is that the goal? I don't think KP has done a good job, and I don't think he has done a bad job. I just think he has done the job. There is no reason to rally towards keeping him on board, and there is no reason to rally for him to be fired. I guess I just don't understand what this is all about. The team has been here long before KP and will be here long after.

 

[BGrantFan]

While that is a nice achievement in itself, is that the goal? I don't think KP has done a good job, and I don't think he has done a bad job. I just think he has done the job. There is no reason to rally towards keeping him on board, and there is no reason to rally for him to be fired. I guess I just don't understand what this is all about. The team has been here long before KP and will be here long after.

There is simply no pleasing you. Are you one of those who thinks you'd do a better job? I just don't see how any true fan thinks that the GM position is easily replaceable. It's like the Patterson era never happened.

 

[OddEnormous]

While that is a nice achievement in itself, is that the goal? I don't think KP has done a good job, and I don't think he has done a bad job. I just think he has done the job. There is no reason to rally towards keeping him on board, and there is no reason to rally for him to be fired. I guess I just don't understand what this is all about. The team has been here long before KP and will be here long after.

The worrying part is not just losing Pritchard per se.

It's the way the team is being run from the top. That's at the heart of all of this. It's a joke.

Kevin Pritchard deserves to be GM of the Portland TrailBlazers right now. End of.

The Blazers have been here a lot longer than Roy, Batum and LMA as well. I guess it's no big deal if they go?

 

[ironcrotch]

KP is not perfect. If we go in another direction all will not be lost. KP has shown that he can build a decent team, but has yet to proove that he can get that team over the hump.

over the hump? he's turned the worst team in the league into a 50+ plus win team in 4-5 years.

 

[Nikolokolus]

how do you know this as fact though?

Where's the vote of confidence from KP's higher ups?

 

[Foulzilla]

Paul Allen statement: "Kevin Pritchard will be GM of the Blazers next season."

It's really that simple. If he says this, drama over, but his silence is deafening right now.

According to some of the rumors, doesn't KP want an extension? A statement like that would hurt Allen's leverage in extension talks. I just don't think we can read too much into the silence. You may be right, but there are other explanations.

 

[BGrantFan]

According to some of the rumors, doesn't KP want an extension? A statement like that would hurt Allen's leverage in extension talks. I just don't think we can read too much into the silence. You may be right, but there are other explanations.

Pritchard is under contract through next season. Not really a bold statement, then; rather, it's just stating the obvious if the idea is to keep Kevin.

 

[The Professional Fan]

I think the Holmgren discussion must have been about him coming back to be the GM after they fired Ruskell. Holmgren was stripped of his GM duties 7 years ago or so. And they subsequently won 5 straight NFC West championships, and had their first ever super bowl appearance. As a coach, Holmgren was awesome in Seattle, period. Holmgren retired from coaching, he wasn't forced out. The fact that PA didn't bring him back as GM or some executive of football operations is extremely strange. Holmgrenn wanted the job. Something happened there for sure.