Pro ballers name Vince Carter most overratted NBA player

[Henacy]

<div align="center"><div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">"Sports Illustrated asked 227, Pro Ballers, Who is the Most Underatted Player in the NBA? Seattle Forward Rashard Lewis garnered 8 percent of the vote, followed by Utah forward Andrei Kirilenko, Seattle guard Ray Allen and Milwuakee guard Micheal Redd all with 5 percent."

"Then the mag asked: Who is the Most overatted? New Jersey guard Vince Carter was the runaway choice with 24 percent of the vote, followed by Denver forward Carmelo Anthony 11 percent, Houston center Yao Ming 10 percent and Hoston forward Tracy Mcgrady 6 percent." </div> </div>

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Anyway, the only thing that is funny is that it says pro ballers, which means they probably arent all basketball players, they could be football players, Baseball players, so it is kind of hard to judge the merits of this poll because if they arent playing against these guys every night then even tho they are athletes their prospective is just like ours simply fans.

Other then that I have no probalbem with poeople percieving Vince as the most overatted, Heck I know Vince is overatted, he and Carmelo are extremely one dimensional. They arent good defensively, Vince is a poor rebounder given his athletic gifts. And he and Melo both given their skill level have the tools in their games to make other guys better. But do not take advantage of those tools. They are basically scorers and that is it, so I cant blame them for naming those guys as overatted, the only irony I see is that a pretty one-dimensional guy in Rashard Lewis was named most underatted?hmm. But I guess its all subject to opinion.

 

[playmaker15]

There's already a thread about this called Vince Carter The Most Overated player in the NBA.

 

[Next Level Game]

I think Vince is overrated, and the last few years I thought he was the most overrated. However, this year he definitely has shaken that title with his tremendous play. I really am impressed at how good he is, I never imagined it. He is overrated to an extent though.

Right now, I think the most overrated player is Peja Stojakovic. He was a MVP candidate last year and finally his game got exposed to be one dimensional. He doesn't show up in the playoffs consistently and drove C-Webb out when it was he was the problem.

I agree that Carmelo and Yao are overrated, but not with Ray Allen and T-Mac. I also think AK47 and Redd are underrated.

 

[bbwAce]

yao is the second-best center in the league...how is he overrated? no one says hes better than shaq and all they say is he has the potential to be something great, which he does...overhyped? I'll even admit that, but definately not overrated...

I wouldnt say Melo is overrated either...everyone has stopped comparing him to Bron, and he wasnt an allstar selection either...he's a nice player, everyone will admit to that. but hes nothing special...

 

[playmaker15]

Ben Wallace is the second best center he will out rebound any1 in this league and he shows that you can make a difference for your team without scoring. It's about time people have started to realize that Yao is a soft player who wil never reach his potential because he doesn't attack like Ben or Shaq do. Melo is way overated. Everyone thinks he's stillup there with lebron as the next "Magic and Bird" but hes not even the best player on his team.

 

[Str8tSkilz]

I agree, carter is overrated. But Melo is a different story cuz of the fact that he is only in his second year playing. Carter has been in the league for 6 years and he peaked for a couple of years and has fallen ever since then. I also think that Yao is a bit overrated also cuz of the fact that he is not very physical and people can just out power him night in and night out.

 

[playmaker15]

I have to disagree i think Carter is now reaching his peak in NJ. Look at how he finished off the season he may have struggled vs. Miami but who hasn't struggled when they play the Heat. I think in a few years when he assumes the role of a leader for his team he will take them to the top.

 

[thedude9990]

i dont understand how the say rashard lewis is underrated, and how is yao overrated if he was all nba 2nd or 3rd team this season(cant remember)...and i think vince is overrated but hes considered the most over rated when he avereged 28 points in the playoffs this post season. i mean i understand its only one post season but i mean if he went out here and avereged 28 points in a series that we all knew was over befor it began then he obviously still has the pasion to win unlike when he was in toronto

 

[PUREPOINT]

Yao is not overrated!!! how many centers other than shaq can give u 19 and 8 on a regular basis. The big thing with Yao is that he hasnt reaches his prime yet, so he's only going to get better especially with McGrady and him getting their chemistry right.

 

[Skiptomylue11]

Yao is overrated, he is too soft, doesn't use his height enough for post-ups. Instead he takes some moving jumper. Yao shouldn't have been a starter over Shaq last year in the all-star game... I think if Tim Duncan, Amare, Dirk, and Ben Wallace are better centers than Yao. At least Yao didn't turn out like Shawn Bradley lol.

AK47 is underrated, Rashard Lewis i guess was considered underrated, because of him going from a nobody to an all-star in one year, and that people still don't know of him.

 

[og15]

The credibility of the poll in terms of who voted is questionable, and the poll could also have been taking earlier in the year while Vince was averaging 16 PPG as a Raptor.

I don't think Vince is overatted because people have been screaming it so much that he's not overatted anymore. So many fail to realize he's still a very good player. I see people calling him one dimensional or just a scorer, and that's not a good testament to his game. He's one of the better passers at F-G, he's a very good shooter, especially outside shooter, and better than many of his comparisons in that area. He's very underatted as a shooter and passer, and though not an great rebounder, not bad either. He's not a good defender though, average at best, he has some 1 minutes stretches of very good defense and that's about all most times. His main defensive deficiency outside of not posessing as good lateral quickness as you'd expect is his stamina, he seems to kind of rest on defense most of the time, and also plays lazy D a lot.

 

[Next Level Game]

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">yao is the second-best center in the league...how is he overrated?</div>

With Amare playing Center this year, he is better than Yao and is the second best center. Yao's inconsistency puts him head to head with Ben Wallace as the second best center. Had Brad Miller been healthy all season, he has shown to be better than Yao.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I wouldnt say Melo is overrated either...everyone has stopped comparing him to Bron, and he wasnt an allstar selection either...he's a nice player, everyone will admit to that. but hes nothing special...</div>

Carmelo is overrated because coming out of college he was supposed to be a star in the league. He had a great rookie year but hasn't approved much, if at all this season. He still can score, but other than that he cannot do anything else. Wade and Bosh have already surpassed him this past season, yet he is still getting the coverage. He's overrated.



<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">how is yao overrated if he was all nba 2nd or 3rd team this season(cant remember)</div>

You can't remember because he wasn't on either this past season. Amare was second team and Ben Wallace was third team.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Yao is not overrated!!! how many centers other than shaq can give u 19 and 8 on a regular basis. </div>

Yao is good, but he's inconsistent. Many times, Mutombo looked better out there than Yao. Lets face it, its not on a regular basis, its erratic. It's disappointing that you can't always count on him.

 

[Henacy]

First off Dunkaholic32, I made this topic in the Nets forum even tho there was already one on the board because some of the people that vist the Nets forum dont check out or discuss things in other forums, so by me puttting it here in the Nets forum, we get a more up to date opinion of Vince from a Nets fans point of view. Anyway back on Topic.....

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">The credibility of the poll in terms of who voted is questionable, and the poll could also have been taking earlier in the year while Vince was averaging 16 PPG as a Raptor.

I don't think Vince is overatted because people have been screaming it so much that he's not overatted anymore. So many fail to realize he's still a very good player. I see people calling him one dimensional or just a scorer, and that's not a good testament to his game. He's one of the better passers at F-G, he's a very good shooter, especially outside shooter, and better than many of his comparisons in that area. He's very underatted as a shooter and passer, and though not an great rebounder, not bad either. He's not a good defender though, average at best, he has some 1 minutes stretches of very good defense and that's about all most times. His main defensive deficiency outside of not posessing as good lateral quickness as you'd expect is his stamina, he seems to kind of rest on defense most of the time, and also plays lazy D a lot.</div>


I definately agree with you OG, that this poll does have its fare share of holes. But as far as Vince not being one-dimensional, I have to disagree, imo, he is...Iam not saying that he doesnt have the skills and talent to be a multity phased player...its just does he want to be is the question. Vince Carter like I said has the ablity to be an excellent playmaker along with his scoring. But his shot selection takes away from the consistent proper decision making that will allow such...just look at the Miami series...his play was the defination of a one-dimensional offensive player...Eddie Jones took away from his offensive game. And Carter didnt look to create other ways to help his team win..Iam definately not blaming Vince for the series lost against Miami, Vince could have been all-world during that series. And we would have still lost cause they were just plain and simple better. But Vince struggled offensively, but beyond that, he didnt do other things, that when special players scoring games are struggling do, to help their teams win.

Did you see Vince's ablity to make others better shine during that series? no, with all the attention that Vince was getting from Miami, he should have used that as an opportunity to be a playmaker. Drive the ball to the basket hard and then setup others off your penetration. But nope, Vince decided to stand out on the perimeter launching up a bunch of long ball shots..and pretty much took all pressure off the Miami defense.

Did Vince step his work up on the glass during that series? nope, with the Athletism Vince has...he should have at least been able to help take away some of the edge that Miami had on the glass in the frontcourt. I know Maimi is big, but there frontcourt is a bit slow of feet so to speak. And if you look at how Tayshuan Prince is using that lack of frontocurt quickness on Miami as an advantage to sneak in and keep balls alive on the glass and create 2nd chance opportunities, it would have been nice to see Vince at least put that type of hustle effort in on the glass.

And as far as Vince's defensive game? it spoke for itself, the effort wasnt their Eddie Jones got way to many good looks from the outside. I dont want to kill Vince completely for that because when you have Shaq and Wade attracking so much attention then god looks are going to come for teammattes. But for EJ to continuosly get in the lane against us then that is where Vinces effort has to come into question.

Vince was major for the Nets, this year we wouldnt have been in the playoffs if it wasnt for him. But still, I dont see him as a "Special next-level" type player, because he doesnt use his god given athletic ablities to keep adding and creating different parts to his game that can help his team win. And that is what the truely special ones do.

 

[bbwAce]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting PUREPOINT:</div><div class="quote_post">Yao is not overrated!!! how many centers other than shaq can give u 19 and 8 on a regular basis. The big thing with Yao is that he hasnt reaches his prime yet, so he's only going to get better especially with McGrady and him getting their chemistry right.</div>
thank you! thats what I've been saying...people have this concept of Yao as "soft" just because hes not dunking everything..yet this has to be the most skilled big man to come to the NBA in YEARS...Yao can shoot out to 21 feet, and shoots a high percentage, can block and is arguably the best passing big man in the league...he's also mobile and agile and is intelligent in the way he plays...he's much better than Ben Wallace or any other center; in fact, anaylsts even claim he's the 2nd best center in the league...people need to stop going with some of the media nonsense who say Yao will never be dominant...after all, he did come to a whole new country where competition is over friendship, which is the exact opposite of what he was brought up upon...I see Yao topping out averages of around 23 ppg, 11 rpg and 2/3 bpg before its all said and done...

now, back to the topic, I think its possible this poll was taken while Carter ws a Raptor, when he admittedly gave up...I just dont see how 25 ppg, 4/5 rpg and 3 apg can be overrated...I truly believe he wants to win, and I do think in some ways the Raptors as a team and organization quit on him, instead of vice versa...just look at what happened to TMac when he got out of Orlando...players and fans found a newfound respect for him...

I do believe that Rashard Lewis is overrated, simply because I keep hearing about his potential and how he can be the next great small forward...hasnt it been 6 years already?? he's a finesse 6'10" forward who can shoot the ball nicely and rebounds decently, cannot defend and has little to no passing or ballhandling skills...that is what he is, but its also nothing horrible at all, consdiering he gives the Sonics 19 ppg, 6/7 rpg, 40% 3s...

 

[playmaker15]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Shooter:</div><div class="quote_post">thank you! thats what I've been saying...people have this concept of Yao as "soft" just because hes not dunking everything..yet this has to be the most skilled big man to come to the NBA in YEARS...Yao can shoot out to 21 feet, and shoots a high percentage, can block and is arguably the best passing big man in the league...he's also mobile and agile and is intelligent in the way he plays...he's much better than Ben Wallace or any other center; in fact, anaylsts even claim he's the 2nd best center in the league...people need to stop going with some of the media nonsense who say Yao will never be dominant...after all, he did come to a whole new country where competition is over friendship, which is the exact opposite of what he was brought up upon...I see Yao topping out averages of around 23 ppg, 11 rpg and 2/3 bpg before its all said and done...

now, back to the topic, I think its possible this poll was taken while Carter ws a Raptor, when he admittedly gave up...I just dont see how 25 ppg, 4/5 rpg and 3 apg can be overrated...I truly believe he wants to win, and I do think in some ways the Raptors as a team and organization quit on him, instead of vice versa...just look at what happened to TMac when he got out of Orlando...players and fans found a newfound respect for him...

I do believe that Rashard Lewis is overrated, simply because I keep hearing about his potential and how he can be the next great small forward...hasnt it been 6 years already?? he's a finesse 6'10" forward who can shoot the ball nicely and rebounds decently, cannot defend and has little to no passing or ballhandling skills...that is what he is, but its also nothing horrible at all, consdiering he gives the Sonics 19 ppg, 6/7 rpg, 40% 3s...</div>


Have you ever seen Shaq play? For someone his size he is way more skilled than Yao. People call him soft because he doesn't use his size to his advantage and he doesn't attack like he should. With his size and potential he should average 25 pts. a game even with T Mac on his team. However, I do think that Lewis is overated because of the fact that I constantly hear people say its only a matter of time before he breaks out, but like shooter said it has already been 6 years thats enough time to break out dont you think.

Now back to Carter, he is neither underated nor overated because I really haven't seen many people give him much credit for what he's done in NJ I've seen everyone credit Kidd's return but I think it was a mix of Kidd's return and Carter averaging 27 points during that kew stretch at the end of the season. Now I think that people say he is overated because when someone gives him credit for helping New Jersey win and then he struggles vs. Miami people automatically say that he is overated which is absolutely false.

 

[og15]

Henacy, I understand what you're saying, but Carter did average 8.5 RPG against the Heat [2.3 on the offensive glass], and also averaged 5.8 assists in the series, and was actually averaging about 7 APG till Game 4 where he had 2 assists.

He had 2 games in double digit rebounds [10 in both], and another with 9 rebounds, and also had 1 game with double digit assists [10], and another with 8 assists.

One thing I know is that when Carter drives to the basket, he doesn't seek contact, the injuries have affected him in that area a little, but still against Miami he averaged 9 FT attempts a game. A misconception people had last season when he was a Raptor was that he did not go to the basket or was not willing to. Many people ignorantly said this, but he actually attempted to go to the basket a lot, but teams always had at least 2 players guarding him. They would have a help defender waiting at the FT line to cut off his penetration, and at times another guy on the wing, so their were no lanes for him to drive. Still he wasn't seeking out contact when he drove then either, and has actually improved in this area as a Net.

The main thing with Vince is not unwillingness in going to the basket, but his unwilligness to aggressively seek contact when he goes to the basket. For him if the contact happens it happens, but he doesn't go looking for it like a Maggette, Iverson, Wade, Pierce etc would, and it affects his game when his athletic adjustment shots and floaters in the lane [which I despise] aren't falling.

 

[Skiptomylue11]

Henancy that was an incredible post that made me think I was watching that series again. Anyway an excellent summary at that.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Shooter:</div><div class="quote_post">thank you! thats what I've been saying...people have this concept of Yao as "soft" just because hes not dunking everything..yet this has to be the most skilled big man to come to the NBA in YEARS...Yao can shoot out to 21 feet, and shoots a high percentage, can block and is arguably the best passing big man in the league...he's also mobile and agile and is intelligent in the way he plays...he's much better than Ben Wallace or any other center; in fact, anaylsts even claim he's the 2nd best center in the league...people need to stop going with some of the media nonsense who say Yao will never be dominant...after all, he did come to a whole new country where competition is over friendship, which is the exact opposite of what he was brought up upon...I see Yao topping out averages of around 23 ppg, 11 rpg and 2/3 bpg before its all said and done...</div>
lol, this is why Yao is overrated. Because of people who think Yao is the most skilled big man in years.

How did the words Yao, mobile, and agile appear in the same sentence.

I think Yao is probably the least agile player in the NBA, he has height but many players have block per game averages the same or higher than Yao and they don't play on defense teams.

If you are talking Skill, then Dirk has much more than Yao as Dirk has ballhandling skills, passing skills, and shooting ability.

Best passing center in the game, what about Brad Miller, Vlade Divac who are great passers. Shaq does a great job passing out of double teams.

Yao isn't the best passing center, an average blocker (even at 7'6), not agile compared to any other center, and definitely not the most skilled big man in the league.

 

[AirJordan]

How can someone so hated be overrated?

 

[Proof]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AirJordan:</div><div class="quote_post">How can someone so hated be overrated?</div>

What I was about say. Almost everyone hates him.

 

[bbwAce]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SkiptoMyLue11:</div><div class="quote_post">Henancy that was an incredible post that made me think I was watching that series again. Anyway an excellent summary at that.

lol, this is why Yao is overrated. Because of people who think Yao is the most skilled big man in years.

How did the words Yao, mobile, and agile appear in the same sentence.

I think Yao is probably the least agile player in the NBA, he has height but many players have block per game averages the same or higher than Yao and they don't play on defense teams.

If you are talking Skill, then Dirk has much more than Yao as Dirk has ballhandling skills, passing skills, and shooting ability.

Best passing center in the game, what about Brad Miller, Vlade Divac who are great passers. Shaq does a great job passing out of double teams.

Yao isn't the best passing center, an average blocker (even at 7'6), not agile compared to any other center, and definitely not the most skilled big man in the league.</div>

In the past 6 years or so, what other big man would you say has the set of skills that Yao has? not only that, but the man is 7'6"...and I take it you dont watch many Rockets games, because it seems you have this impression that yao is some big lug...he IS quite mobile, smooth and there is a fluidity about the way he plays...which is why I mentioned that he is a FINESSE player, not the overpowering, dunking brute that everyone wants him to be...and i said Yao was ARGUABLY the best passing big man, it just depends on opinion...I don't think the Rockets' system now embraces his passing talents as Rudy T's system did...Dirk is a FORWARD...not a CENTER...so he is a wing player, not a post...I said Yao was (arguably) one of the most skilled players at his position, which is without a true doubt...he has excellent footwork, shooting touch and sets solid screens (a lost art among NBA post players)...

either way, its just a difference of opinions, and I respect that...I just dont think people give Yao his due simply because they expect him to be a certain player and play a certain style...

 

[playmaker15]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Shooter:</div><div class="quote_post">I just dont think people give Yao his due simply because they expect him to be a certain player and play a certain style...</div>



THey expect him to live up to all the hype which was created in 01 or whenever he was drafted. People say that he is this magnificent force but in reality hes one of those guys ho wont live up to their potential because he doesn't use his strengths to his advantage. He gets pounded night in and nigh out by guys like Amare and Duncan who aren't even natural centers.

 

[Skiptomylue11]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Shooter:</div><div class="quote_post">he IS quite mobile, smooth and there is a fluidity about the way he plays...which is why I mentioned that he is a FINESSE player</div>
He is the most awkward finess player I've ever seen. He has a very strange running gait, and his plays are not usually due to skill, just due to his height. He doesn't have to jump to dunk lol. Amare is a finess player, Yao isn't.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Shooter:</div><div class="quote_post">..Dirk is a FORWARD...not a CENTER...so he is a wing player, not a post...I said Yao was (arguably) one of the most skilled players at his position, which is without a true doubt...he has excellent footwork, shooting touch and sets solid screens (a lost art among NBA post players)...</div>

Dirk played as a center for the past 3 years at least and he covered opposing centers. He is 7 feet tall, you said Yao was the most skilled big man in most recent years. Dirk is a big man, and he is much more skilled than Yao.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Shooter:</div><div class="quote_post">I just dont think people give Yao his due simply because they expect him to be a certain player and play a certain style...</div>
He is expected to be able to post up players that are usually 5 to 8 inches shorter than him. Tim Duncan is 6'11, if he was ever guarded by someone 8 inches shorter than him(6'3) and he couldn't take advantage of that player in the post it would be considered pathetic.

Well when Rocket fans, and other people say Yao is the best passing center, the 2nd best big man in the league and that he is the most skilled big man in the nba in most recent years. That he is mobile, agile, intelligent, and has excellent footwork.

I think those comments alone make me think that Yao Ming is overrated.

 

[raptors4life]

I don't find Vince overrated, but when you tend to be an amazing dunker like he is you'll immediately be labelled overrated..

 

[drake]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting playmaker31:</div><div class="quote_post">THey expect him to live up to all the hype which was created in 01 or whenever he was drafted. People say that he is this magnificent force but in reality hes one of those guys ho wont live up to their potential because he doesn't use his strengths to his advantage. He gets pounded night in and nigh out by guys like Amare and Duncan who aren't even natural centers.</div>

Wanna bet on that?

If you lose you can kiss a donkeys butt.

 

[playmaker15]

Bet on what that he gets manhandled by guys like Amare and Duncan. Ill take that bet anyday. HE'S SOFT!!!!!!!! Get it through your head. He not nearly as good as you make him sound.

 

[XSV]

Im not gonna say yao sux, but he is definetly under achieving. Even he does ever become dominant, im not gonna like him or like to watch him, because the only reason he survives in this league is cuz hes so tall. It has nothing to do with his talent. If he was 5-6 inches shorter he wouldnt even be in this league. As for VC being over rated, you cant even argue that after this season. But SI's always hated vince and prolly just wanted more publicity. They prolly fixed the survey or only asked VC haters or retards the question. And these "pro ballers" are probly some scrubs from euroleagues who know jack all about the NBA.

 

[Next Level Game]

I doubt that Yao wouldn't be in this league if he was 5 or 6 inches shorter. He'd still be a seven footer with decent footwork and size. He might even be a better rebounder cause his mobility increases.

Yao's overrated tag stems from all the comparisons he had to Hakeem and even Jabbar. He's no where close. Probably will never be. He doesn't have the athleticism or will. He can acquire aggressiveness, but he'll need to play like his mother was murdered to even come close to those guys. I remember Houston was touting him to be the next in line to succeed former great Houston Centers, Moses Malone and Hakeem. I laughed and scoffed at the claim cause Yao just doesn't have it. He's a great guy and role model in terms of personality in the NBA, but overall I just do not think he'll be any greater than Brad Daughtery or Rik Smits. Which is not bad at all, the both of them were decent centers with skills that helped out their respective teams.

 

[Tesh15]

after this comin year he wont be the most overrated player.... I think carter will reach his prime this coming year, and avg bout 28ppg and 6rpg 5apg, cuz he will get use 2 jkidd now.

 

[j_a_d_e]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting virve119:</div><div class="quote_post"> As for VC being over rated, you cant even argue that after this season. But SI's always hated vince and prolly just wanted more publicity. They prolly fixed the survey or only asked VC haters or retards the question. And these "pro ballers" are probly some scrubs from euroleagues who know jack all about the NBA.</div>

lol...i agree...besides,i thnk they did b4 the start of the season...

 

[Rod]

I did'nt read all the posts before me but i will say this: Vince Carter brought NJ to the Playoffs by himself,he brought a Euroleague team to the Playoffs!!
J-Kidd had a though season and he was'nt a serious factor - B.Knight had a better season.

i used to think that Carter was overrated before he got traded but now i think that the injuries has slowed him down but he could have been better then Bryant - hell i don't see Bryant's team with a record nearly as good as the Nets had with Carter maybe it says something??

nor Marbuary nor Francis nor Bryant nor Baron Davis nor Brand and Megette brought their team to a 50% winning record and they all had a better team around them so who is overrated now??

just something to think about...