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I like MDZ and disagree with most of his haters but would trade him straight up for Methot, he's 6'3 230 and is what the Rangers defense has been missing for years:





The objective few on this board also see pucks hopping over every dman's stick or skate, name one Ranger dman that does do a good job of keeping the usually bouncing, off-target unexpected passes in the offensive zone. Ryan McDonough's inexcusable gaffe lead to the game tying goal by the Caps but not a whisper since he wasn't wearing #4. I don't like Glen either and think he should go but he's not going to be stupid enough to give MDZ away, he realizes there's more value to the guy than an Ottawa newspaper thinks.
 
62's PPG estimation is off, but his overall point still remains. Dubi plays his solid all-around game and this year is playing at a 60+ pt pace, which would be highest on the Rangers. His contract isn't a bargain, but at $4.2M cap hit he's far from the worse contract in either the Jackets or Rangers. This team would benefit from having him on the roster.
 
No one is saying give DZ away, not sure who has ever said we should. I am saying that based on everything I have seen and read, we will not re-sign him this summer, and I think he will be dealt sooner or later this season. That's just the way it is. You may not agree. You may not like it, but don't call the people who see the writing on the wall haters. I guess Sather and AV are MDZ haters also? Because they are the ones looking to deal him, scratching him, and in AV's case saying stuff about him.

Come on panzer. It is what it is with DZ whether you or I agree with it.
 
As of this exact moment that Nash deal has been a poor deal. Not sure how anyone can argue it right now.

With that said, it could/should change as soon as Nash gets his sh*t together. Let's hope he does it sooner rather than later.
 
Chuck my post clearly said I would deal MDZ for Methot and I even posted a few links to demonstrate his physical play, what part of that is unclear to you? You writing hundreds of negative posts about MDZ isn't swaying my opinion and unless you're reading quotes from Sather or AV they're irrelevant, just fodder to bolster your biased opinion. Many posters have said they hate MDZ including yourself thus the moniker "haters", I'm of the opinion he's no worse than Moore, Stralman or Falk but any bad play by MDZ is magnified by your dislike of the guy to justify an opinion. McD made a terrible play on the second Cap goal and Moore made a bad mistake on the third goal, doesn't mean they have to go just part of hockey. AV has scratched several players this year, I don't think Glen has much call on who AV scratches it's mostly a coaching decision.
 
Good for you buddy. I am happy you have your opinion, and clearly you should. That's what makes the world go round. I am not trying to convince you or anyone of anything. I am simply mentioning what I see.

We will agree to disagree if you think AV is a fan of DZ. He has scratched him numerous times. He called him out a few times. We will also agree to disagree if you think Sather is a fan of DZ these days. Why is MDZ in pretty much every trade rumor you read surrounding us? Sure you can say they are all wrong, anything is possible, but I prefer to deal in reality. For better or for worse AV is not a fan. For better or for worse Sather is now on board with that as well. And for better or for worse very good chance the next deal MDZ signs will not be with the New York Rangers.

Is what it is fella. I didn't tell AV to scratch him. I didn't tell AV to call him out a few times. I didn't tell Sather to try and trade him in many rumored deals. Has nothing to do with me buddy, just the way it is for better or for worse, agree or disagree.

If you want my opinion, I think MDZ is a mess. Cannot shoot and soft in the corners. So I am 100% on board with Sather looking to deal him. But only if we get a solid offer, cannot just give him away. That's my opinion. What is not my opinion is AV and Sather don't love MDZ these days. What is not my opinion is MDZ is in a ton of trade rumors. Those are real and not simply my opinion.
 
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31, open your eyes and stop smoking crack. Dubinsky has 8 goals in 61 games for the Jackets. That sucks beyond belief for 4 million a season and can't be disputed.
 
And for the people who keep saying "you can't just look Dubi's goals..." YES YOU CAN when he is getting paid like a top 6 forward.
 
Yeah just what a struggling offensive team is missing. Brandon Dubinsky.
 
he had one bad season...i guess we should get rid of Stepan because he has been useless for a while now.
 
BTW...this line angers me bigtime. We should have made a move earlier, and that falls right at the feet of lazy Sather:

A league executive says that Del Zotto’s value has gone down and that he isn’t worth what he was earlier in the year. (Ottawa Sun)

Chuck we don't know what is going on behind closed doors, for all we know Sather may have been trying to make an earlier move for Del Zotto. I mean if we saw DZ's stock falling, have to believe that other GM's saw the same thing. That is why you don't make him a healthy scratch over and over and over again.
 
I would not give up Hagelin right now. As for DZ, while I still believe he is a good defensman, I think he needs a change of scenery in another city. The Rangers and DZ, right now, are not a good fit.
 
Its better when DZs a scratch..that way GMs cant see him losing anymore value.
 
I agree jam, it never made sense to scratch MDZ, and I said that at the time. Very stupid, and all it did was lower his value. What we do know is he's on the block. Unless every hockey reporter is wrong...dude is on the block and can clearly be had with a solid offer...LOL.
 
Chuck, IMO DZ is not a bad defensman, just in a bad situation. Yeah I know it's an excuse, but I do think a new city with veteran defensman to work with can only help him. Also, if he goes to a city that can actually score some goals that will help him as well. He plays in the Garden with very little offense, where any mistake can result in a 2-1 loss.
 
He is what he is. He isn't awful, I agree. I am just not sure he will ever be a very good defenseman. He will always have a little element of O in his game, which is a plus, but unless his shot gets better and more accurate he will always leave you wanting more. And I also think he is very poor in the corners winning battles. Just my opinion.

If he can improve his shot, and get stronger in the corners, I think that would round out his game and make him a legit top 4 dman. We'll see if he can do it, but I'd let someone else wait for that at this point. And like you said, I think a change of address would serve him well.
 
"If he can improve his shot, and get stronger in the corners, I think that would round out his game and make him a legit top 4 dman. We'll see if he can do it, but I'd let someone else wait for that at this point. And like you said, I think a change of address would serve him well."

I agree ...
 
Responding to you Dump. Only a simp would equate value with goals or points. I read the Columbus paper and watch their games when they're on here. It is you who has no clue what he is talking about. THIS SEASON, Dubi has 25 points in 33 games, pace of 62 points. He leads the team in assists, 2nd in points (would be 1st if he didn't miss 6 games), leads all forwards in TOI, one of the few + players, best face off man, plays in every important situation, takes almost every important draw, plays in the dirty areas, controls the boards, hits like a truck, team follows his lead and intensity. All that for 4 mil is worth it. Or you can have Nash for 8 mil, who is on a 53 point pace, and is useless if he doesn't score. I know you know this. It was you a few years ago that said the Ranger defense fell apart when he was out of the lineup. You grew a hatred because you predicted he'd be a 30 goal guy, which he never was going to be. He doesn't have a great shot. Never did. He's not a star, just a solid all around player who makes others around him better. Dubi for 4 or Nash for 8. This year at least, it's not even close. You're also mad I was right all along about my Nash critique and the trade but can't admit you were wrong.
 
Agree with you jamsim on DZ. I like him, but think it's over for him here. In the right situation, I think he'll be a sold top 4 dman, but it's not going to happen here, especially now that AV clearly doesn't like him.
 
62, Dump is all about bias and agenda's. When he has it for one player (in favor or against) there is no reasoning with him. When Dubi was a Ranger he would drool over him, how he was better than Parise and total homerism. Since Dubi is no longer a Ranger you can forget anything positive coming out of him.

I will also say this, we complain this team lacks toughness and that in a trade we need to get some players who do the dirty work and are hard to play against. That's what Dubi is and he would actually know what to do in the offensive zone. He is the type of role player this team lacks at the moment that we could really, really use. I'm talking about Dubi as a player, not the Dubi-Nash trade.
 
I'll admit I'm a homer when it comes to dubi as I invested money in his jersey. I think he should have been left as a centerman and not moved from line to line and put on as a winger. I think he pressed to hard after signing the contract and was let go too soon. Yes I realize we had to give up something to get nash, I was in favor of sending DZ instead of erixon and held onto dubi and included a chip instead

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I know 31. Dump is all about stats and predictions of prospects. Then when they get here, he makes predictions of what they'll do, even if they're unrealistic. When they inevitably don't reach his lofty heights, he turns on them like a mad dog. You're right, a few Dubi types we desperately need.

I only combine him with Nash because he was part of the trade. If you went back and looked at my posts before that trade, I didn't want Nash period, whether it included Dubi or not. He is exactly what I saw then, even softer than I thought. At least I've always been consistent. I would have traded Dubi in the right deal. Nash was not it. After a decade of sucking, and for one who goes to the games, it was fun to watch a tough team that played hard and played like a team. For me, it was disgusting to see that team dismantled and replaced with this group of slow, weak smurfs who play like they don't give a crap. Between this awful team and disaster of an arena, the enjoyment of going to the games has been sucked right out of me. Sorry for the rant. I've been on this board recently because I just needed to vent.
 
BigDaddyAl, I'm obviously biased. I have 2 of his jerseys, one signed that my wife gave me. I was in Alaska right after they drafted him and started following his career then. I knew he wasn't a scorer or a star, but what he brought to the table was something we were missing for years. Both Duguay and Graves agree with you. He was clearly better at center because he could use his speed to make things happen for others. Also, the people who cover the team said he's very emotional and tried too hard to live up to his contract. Unfortunately he went through that bad year but learned from it and has become the player I thought he was.
 
I'll say two things to you 62.

1. Nice breakdown of Dubi as a player. I agree.
2. You are here more right now because this is your time to shine. You are loving this. Sather a joke again. Nash has been bad. Team has been whatever. This is all right in your wheelhouse. Be honest...:).
 
I was high on Dubinsky as anybody. He should have been one of the best second line centers in the game. He's a lazy, fat, pig. He came in out of shape more than once. He dogged so many games it was mind boggling. Can't win with guys like that.
 
I'll say two things to you 62.

1. Nice breakdown of Dubi as a player. I agree.
2. You are here more right now because this is your time to shine. You are loving this. Sather a joke again. Nash has been bad. Team has been whatever. This is all right in your wheelhouse. Be honest...:).


LOL
 
Chuck, you know nothing about me and couldn't be more wrong. I'm not loving this. I hate this. You want some honesty, ok.

I've probably been a Ranger fan longer than you've been alive. I pay thousands to go to the games, and I'm far from wealthy. I have to travel in from NJ and that's not cheap. I no longer even buy water because it's $5.25 for a bottle. My heart has been invested in this team for more than 50 years. I actually bought a Nash shirt, hoping I was wrong. I don't know if you have tickets or not, but if not, it's a little different. When you go to game after game, year after year, for most of your life and nothing much changes, your always optimistic view starts to dim, where you take the blinders off and don't think every prospect is great and the team is just a few moves away from being great. You stop chanting Lets Go Rangers most of the time because you've become more realistic and don't fall for the usual homer crap. Your excitement has waned You are waiting for the team to do something to get you excited instead of yelling to try to excite them to play better. For me, the 2009-2011 team was so much fun and had myself and my friends that are fans so excited because it was the first one they built from within since before Mess, and came after another fat cat period of hired guns. They played hard, stuck up for each other, were a real team. Then it was ripped apart in the blink of an eye, basically for the glitz of one supposed goal scorer. I knew Nash was not the guy we needed, and I saw this disaster coming, making it worse for me. The constant FA and trade route for years had been a disaster, especially under Sather. That's why I'm so pissed they dismantled that team. Knowing this trade would kill us and being right about it made me more pissed. The fact that this team is now so small, slow, and such a pushover adds to it. The MSG renovation with the huge price increases, seats so small that my knees hurt from hitting the seat in front of me, having to stand up 100 times a game whenever someone wants to get out, with the fabulous scoreboard I can't see because of the Chase bridges, has made me even more unhappy. I don't fall for the marketing crap where now the Garden, fans, and team are a supposed family called "Rangerstown". What a bunch of crap that is. I thought Sather finally built something that could challenge for awhile, but he tore it apart for the same stupid quick fix scheme. Yet, I love hockey, love the Rangers, still pay my money, and hope each game they'll win. Still hope something changes. I'll unfortunately go to my grave feeling this way, but always thinking they're close, just needing a couple of moves to be a top team, yada yada is long gone for me. My Ranger blinders are off and I see reality. This team stinks and is not close. Like a dope, because I love this team, I will continue to wait until Sather is gone, and pray the idiot owner hires the right guy for a change, no matter how long that takes. Sather is older than me. I can wait him out. Yes, I now follow CBJ. If the Rangers are out and CBJ is in, I'll root for them. JD runs the team, there are a bunch of ex Rangers there, and I'd like to see them do well. Just not as well as us. This is not a time to shine, This is a sad, sad time for me. I love talking hockey so I came here. After a job change I no longer work from home, which is why you didn't hear from me for awhile. I have some time off over the holidays so I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in as well as vent a little. So try to excuse me for being a passionate fan who is upset at the direction of the team and hated the Nash deal. Any other questions?
 
I am sure you have been a fan longer than I have been alive, I don't doubt that. I also don't doubt you are a big fan. But I do think you eat this stuff up. You hate Sather (so do I). You hate Nash. Deep inside I think you don't mind those two guys failing. I think this is a good time for you to come here a lot and talk about how you hate those guys, and Dolan and the Garden by connection.

Doesn't make you a bad fan to me (who am I to judge). Doesn't make you not a fan. Just you being you, which is cool. But I do think there is a part of you that eats this up right now. Just my opinion.
 
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I was high on Dubinsky as anybody. He should have been one of the best second line centers in the game. He's a lazy, fat, pig. He came in out of shape more than once. He dogged so many games it was mind boggling. Can't win with guys like that.

He was never any of that. You just like to say it. Admit it. He didn't become the goal scorer you predicted and because you were wrong about that, you hated him.
 

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