Production from starters

[Schilly]

I am of the philosophy that your starting 5 players are vital to a teams success. If you aren't getting enough production out of them you will struggle. A couple days ago I decided to see where Steve Blake stacked up in terms of lowest producing Starters in the league. It turns out he is the 13th lowest scorer among starters... And Martel at that point was 16th Martel has moved down teh list a bit into the mid 20's. I hadn't factored Joel though as he hasn't had many starts, but if he were added to the list he would be the lowest scoring Starter in the league.

So we have 3 of the 25 lowest scoring starters in the league. That is not a recipe for success.

 

[roydezlaw]

Memphis has 3 starters in the top 33. Portland has 1. I don't know if that means anything other than Memphis is watchable now.

 

[Tince]

I am of the philosophy that your starting 5 players are vital to a teams success. If you aren't getting enough production out of them you will struggle. A couple days ago I decided to see where Steve Blake stacked up in terms of lowest producing Starters in the league. It turns out he is the 13th lowest scorer among starters... And Martel at that point was 16th Martel has moved down teh list a bit into the mid 20's. I hadn't factored Joel though as he hasn't had many starts, but if he were added to the list he would be the lowest scoring Starter in the league.

So we have 3 of the 25 lowest scoring starters in the league. That is not a recipe for success.

Where did Batum and Joel rank last season? We had a lot of success last year.

 

[B-Roy]

Where did Batum and Joel rank last season? We had a lot of success last year.

At least Blake was 11ppg last year.

And Batum didn't play as many minutes as Martell.

 

[MIXUM]

can you forward this to our over rated gm?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

So we have 3 of the 25 lowest scoring starters in the league. That is not a recipe for success.

Remind me again what was so wrong with the three guard lineup?

 

[Schilly]

Tince that is a great question. I think the one thing that helps with Batum was he only played 18mpg, and Blake scored 11ppg compared to 7 this season. Also Oden started 39 games and Joel 43.

I think Joel and Martel are on par with Oden and Batum last season, But Blakes drop is significant. On top of that Roy and Aldridge have dropped this year as well.

Last year our starters averaged 62.6ppg.

This years starters with Joel in place of Greg they average 57.1

 

[Schilly]

can you forward this to our over rated gm?

Maybe it would be better to forward it to the guy who calls the shots on PT.

 

[Schilly]

Remind me again what was so wrong with the three guard lineup?

I never said it wasn't. Of course it would be best if our worst player wasn't leading the team in starts and 3rd for minutes

 

[MIXUM]

no it means we need a starter at sf which means trade

 

[Schilly]

no it means we need a starter at sf which means trade

Then what MIXUM? Who do you trade? Getting a SF that would make a large enough impact to make a significant enough impact this year would require trading too much, and then once Batum comes back you have 2 starting SF's. Batum if given the PT would be averaging 10ppg for us this season IMO.

The only trade that makes sense IMO would be trading Blake for another warm body to help in the post, but I'm not convinced that what we could get would be much better than Pendergraph when he comes back.

So do we trade Miller? Then we have rolled the dice on Bayless to be our PG and/or resigning Blake which at this point in time doesn't look like something I would feel comfortable in relying on.

If you could trade Webster and Blake for a 3/4 then Maybe we could make a trade, but we aren't going to get a Butler or Wallace for that.

 

[Schilly]

Looking at our PER rating last year we started our 1,2,5,7 and 8th rated PER players. this year 1,2,9,10,12

 

[julius]

Looking at our PER rating last year we started our 1,2,5,7 and 8th rated PER players. this year 1,2,9,10,12

Of those, only 1 is realistically upgradeable.

We're going to have to have Joel there. I don't know if Cunningham is ready for minutes (although maybe he could take on a Batum role).

that leaves Blankey.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Since Oden went down LMA is averaging 23/9.

 

[Schilly]

Absolutely. It also indicates that we are in for a long season. The team is 14-11 with our easiest part of our schedule behind us. I think the team will win a total of 46 games this year due to the injuries and a few other issues that I believe are unresolved. 48 wins was the 8 seed last year.

 

[B-Roy]

Since Oden went down LMA is averaging 23/9.

Well he's 21/9 in the last 5 games. He's almost playing better than Roy.

 

[THE HCP]

Who is this "rookie" who started this thread?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Quick quiz: what team started three players who averaged:
9.1
8.4
and 5.5 ppg?

 

[BrianFromWA]

Remind me again what was so wrong with the three guard lineup?

Blake being one of them, for starters.

 

[Kaydow]

Quick quiz: what team started three players who averaged:
9.1
8.4
and 5.5 ppg?

I give up. The 2000-1 Lakers (NBA Champs) had

Rick Fox 9.6
Horace Grant 8.5
Ron Harper 6.5

Of course, they had Shaq & Kobe.

Who is the team from your quiz?

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

I give up. The 2000-1 Lakers (NBA Champs) had

Rick Fox 9.6
Horace Grant 8.5
Ron Harper 6.5

Of course, they had Shaq & Kobe.

Who is the team from your quiz?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the 28-year-old prime Shaq and a young Kobe had a lot to do with their success

 

[julius]

Remind me again what was so wrong with the three guard lineup?

I think 3 guard lineups are ok IF you have 1 PG and 2 SG's (who are both 6'6"+) OR, two strong scoring guards, or PG like Isiah Thomas or Allen Iverson.

We didn't, we don't and they aren't.

 

[MickZagger]

With the Wizards playing like shit, I think Butler might be available.

 

[Nikolokolus]

With the Wizards playing like shit, I think Butler might be available.

For us, or for some other team with actual decent, healthy players to trade with?

 

[jlprk]

Quick quiz: what team started three players who averaged:
9.1
8.4
and 5.5 ppg?

In a search database, just look for the top 10 teams of all time with the combined top 2 scorers, and you will probably find the team with the all-time bottom-scoring 3 starters.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Who is the team from your quiz?

The 72-win Chicago Bulls (Longley, Kerr, Rodman).

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I think 3 guard lineups are ok IF you have 1 PG and 2 SG's (who are both 6'6"+) OR, two strong scoring guards, or PG like Isiah Thomas or Allen Iverson.

Really? I think three-guard lineups are okay if you win more playing those lineups than otherwise.

I also think that nobody is a guard. Who decided that the Platonic Form of the baskeball team was PG, SG, SF, PF, C? The Pistons seem to be doing okay with their funky lineups. Mike D'Antoni started a guy drafted as a PG (Diaw, believe it or not) at C and did great. Whatever works.

 

[SpanishFly]

Really? I think three-guard lineups are okay if you win more playing those lineups than otherwise.

I also think that nobody is a guard. Who decided that the Platonic Form of the baskeball team was PG, SG, SF, PF, C? The Pistons seem to be doing okay with their funky lineups. Mike D'Antoni started a guy drafted as a PG (Diaw, believe it or not) at C and did great. Whatever works.

LOL, fine then, get us a coach/players that can make those lineups work, ours do not.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

LOL, fine then, get us a coach/players that can make those lineups work, ours do not.

You mean, apart from the fact that we went 7-1 with the three guard lineup?

 

[Schilly]

You mean, apart from the fact that we went 7-1 with the three guard lineup?

I have a brilliant idea, how about writing down a list of who we beat in that stretch and tell us convincingly that we should view that as impressive.