Projecting where our picks will be slated...

[RoyToy]

And this was my original post to Mickzagger'scomment about Drummond and Oden possibly having similar ceilings

Oden averaged 16pts/10reb/3.3blk in 29min a game....playing with a broken wrist (his strong hand)

There's a pretty big gap between then

Is that really "discrediting" his opinion? Get this - I used statistics to say why I thought there was a pretty big gap between them, then pointed out the fact Oden played with one hand. Hmm.

Laugh all you want.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

First of all I've been over this Oden thing dozens of times on this board and have presented stats that show Oden was looking very promising. The numbers are there - especially his last 7 games where he averaged 15/10 in 24min a game.

As far as in this thread, I pointed out the fact that Oden's numbers dwarf Drummond's, and then mention the fact Oden played that season with a broken wrist. Maybe you missed this part.

But this all comes down what Oden you want to talk about. If you're comparing Oden's pre MF surgery ceiling to Drummond's ceiling, I'm sorry, you're not going to find any scout that will say Drummond has a higher ceiling.

As far as scouts being wrong, yeah, it happens. I don't think they missed on Oden though. I think injuries are what did Oden in and never allowed him to reach his ceiling (all-star talent).

I don't mean too poo poo Drummond in all of this, but I think people forget how highly regarded Oden was before injuries. He was a physical beast in the mold of Shaq/Howard. Not just super athletic, but powerful, too. Such a rare combination. Drummond seems super athletic, but idk if he shows the same power that those other guys showed.

LMFAO.

1. Didn't say Oden didn't look promising.
2. Didn't say Drummond had a higher ceiling. But I can tell you, higher ceiling doesn't equal better performance.
3. There were scouts early on who were starting to show some cracking on Oden, even after his poor performance at the summer league. Was it justified? No, but I saw a lot of fans doing the same.
4. I'm not discrediting Oden, or what he was before the injuries. I just don't think we ever knew, and I don't think anyone ever knew because of all the injuries. That being said, nobody ever had a chance to adjust to him and scout him because he was hardly on the floor. Not saying that would change anything, but it happens to players all the time (Lin is the latest example).

I think some people are so intent on being heard and being right, they just keep poundng their chests and blathering on. I don't even get what you're arguing with me about. Because all I've said is that you discounted someone else because they expressed an opinion, then I told you everything you had just presented to us in the thread was pretty much opinion, and would ultimately be proven. So, so silly. Why are you even still ranting? I called what you said originally an opinion, and it was. Regurgitating your spiel over and over does not make it any less so.

 

[magnifier661]

Well I know Greg oden is gone and i still wouldn't mind Drummond. I want a center that has an nba body. I'm tired of waiting 3-4 years for a 6-11 215 lbs player build 5-10lbs every year.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I really don't think it's worth posting about Oden- though I'm on the side that he was a good pick based on the info at the time and would have been the best center in the NBA w/o the injuries.

I think one good thing about being so bad is that we can afford to take the best player available- our core is basically Aldridge and Batum- either one of them can play two positions. If we get a power forward, we can play Aldridge at center- according to Hollinger, this is his best position statistically. If we get a small forward, we can move Batum to SG.

I don't know enough about the picks to have an opinion yet, but the review of Drummond that i've found are positive (though not Oden positive)

Totally agree on Oden. If we had the #1 pick, and a clear-cut center came along, I'd take him. It's part of the reason I'm shocked Drummond is currently at #4-5 on some mock drafts, especially given what I've seen of him and given that there are no clear-cut stars.

 

[RoyToy]

LMFAO.

1. Didn't say Oden didn't look promising.
2. Didn't say Drummond had a higher ceiling. But I can tell you, higher ceiling doesn't equal better performance.
3. There were scouts early on who were starting to show some cracking on Oden, even after his poor performance at the summer league. Was it justified? No, but I saw a lot of fans doing the same.
4. I'm not discrediting Oden, or what he was before the injuries. I just don't think we ever knew, and I don't think anyone ever knew because of all the injuries. That being said, nobody ever had a chance to adjust to him and scout him because he was hardly on the floor. Not saying that would change anything, but it happens to players all the time (Lin is the latest example).

I think some people are so intent on being heard and being right, they just keep poundng their chests and blathering on. I don't even get what you're arguing with me about. Because all I've said is that you discounted someone else because they expressed an opinion, then I told you everything you had just presented to us in the thread was pretty much opinion, and would ultimately be proven. So, so silly. Why are you even still ranting? I called what you said originally an opinion, and it was. Regurgitating your spiel over and over does not make it any less so.

Yes, I posted my opinion, just as you posted your opinion. That's what happens here on Ripcitytwo.

I'm ranting? LOL. Go back and read the thread. Out of nowhere you start ranting because you didn't agree with my opinion apparently. At no point did I discredit anyone's opinion or put anyone down. Maybe you're just sensitive?

You tell me.

 

[MickZagger]

I thought MKG already came out saying he was staying at UK for another year? I could be wrong though.

When he sees all his bro's leaving he'll hop on the bandwagon. He'll be a high lottery pick. Its like when Wall, Patterson, Cousins and Bledsoe came out. Daniel Orton said, fuck it, I'll go too. He was a 1st rounder lol..

 

[MickZagger]

You guys will love Chad Ford's mock 1.0

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2012/story/_/id/7712831/nba-mock-draft-version-1

He has us taking Bradley Beal at 4 (too high IMO)



and Tyler Zeller at 11 (SMH and FML)

I want Chad Ford's job. Be completely wrong and take stabs in the dark and get paid semi-handsomely for it.

 

[magnifier661]

Yes, I posted my opinion, just as you posted your opinion. That's what happens here on Ripcitytwo.

I'm ranting? LOL. Go back and read the thread. Out of nowhere you start ranting because you didn't agree with my opinion apparently. At no point did I discredit anyone's opinion or put anyone down. Maybe you're just sensitive?

You tell me.

If it changes anything... The blazers are sexy!

 

[MickZagger]

Here's a little vid of Drummond for you guys:

[video=youtube;4P4VAyHwqSw]

He's raw for sure, but much more agile than Oden was.

 

[RoyToy]

If it changes anything... The blazers are sexy!

Let's get this W tonight Mags!

Back to thread with no more Oden talk, is anyone really sold on a player in the draft? I'm all ears and ready to be sold on a player or two.

 

[RoyToy]

Here's a little vid of Drummond for you guys:

[video=youtube;4P4VAyHwqSw]

He's raw for sure, but much more agile than Oden was.

I think he could be a good fit next to Aldridge. Tyson Chandler/DeAndre Jordan type center.

A guy that gets points without really needing the ball and a pretty good shot blocker.

 

[MickZagger]

If he can learn how to throw his weight around in the paint he could be better. A good big man coach could do wonders.

 

[illmatic99]

I don't question his skill or potential. It's his drive and tendency to shy away from the moment that bugs me. With Brandon gone, this team needs an alpha dog who will motivate the others and not be afraid to chew them out if they are slacking. A guy with an unstoppable motor, and drive.

The only guys in the draft with that sort of mentality are Robinson and Rivers. Drummond would only add to our current top 2 passive players who play scared.

 

[illmatic99]

BTW, I'm seriously intrigued at the idea of putting Robinson next to LA and playing two PFs at a time. TRob does everything LA doesn't (both on the floor and as a potential leader). I know shot blocking would be an issue, but Robinson is a great help side defender and plays well above his height. Much closer to Blake Griffin than he is Derrick Williams.

 

[MickZagger]

Yeah, Robinson's been my favorite for awhile. I want him on the Blazer bad!

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I don't question his skill or potential. It's his drive and tendency to shy away from the moment that bugs me. With Brandon gone, this team needs an alpha dog who will motivate the others and not be afraid to chew them out if they are slacking. A guy with an unstoppable motor, and drive.

The only guys in the draft with that sort of mentality are Robinson and Rivers. Drummond would only add to our current top 2 passive players who play scared.

That's exactly who I want, too. Then sign Deron.

Williams/Rivers/Batum/Robinson/Aldridge. Drool...

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Yes, I posted my opinion, just as you posted your opinion. That's what happens here on Ripcitytwo.

I'm ranting? LOL. Go back and read the thread. Out of nowhere you start ranting because you didn't agree with my opinion apparently. At no point did I discredit anyone's opinion or put anyone down. Maybe you're just sensitive?

You tell me.

LOL. I just did. Now you're finally admitting it's opinion? Hello, Mr. John Kerry, flip-flopper. Thanks for admitting it's opinion, instead of continuing to present it as fact.

I haven't really stated much opinions, other than agree with yours and tell you that what you're stating as fact, was indeed, not fact. I'd suggest you go back and read it. That's all. For the 10th time, I was defending someone when you discounted another poster's opinion, when we'll actually get to see that opinion play out. Yours? Smoke, mirrors, and hash pipe dreams. Shoulda, woulda, coulda, and if only?

As for sensitive? No. Just shocked you keep ranting on when I've agreed with pretty much everything you've said, other than I've told you what you presented was not fact as you have pushed out there. Instead, it's simply based on opinions and extremely small sample size.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Drummond looks pretty damn agile, and while his offensive game is raw, it's decent, and something that can be developed. If any of you guys have watched him during games, you've drooled at the thought of his game next to LA.

Offense can be taught. Agility is a much harder thing to teach, and we all know height can't be taught.

 

[illmatic99]

That's exactly who I want, too. Then sign Deron.

Williams/Rivers/Batum/Robinson/Aldridge. Drool...

Such a sick lineup.

If that doesn't work out and Deron goes elsewhere, my plan B would be to trade Rivers to Boston for Rondo. Then we'd get a lineup of Rondo/Wessy/Nic/LA/TRob.

Still very good.

 

[magnifier661]

Let's get this W tonight Mags!

Back to thread with no more Oden talk, is anyone really sold on a player in the draft? I'm all ears and ready to be sold on a player or two.

Go blazers!!

 

[magnifier661]

Don't know if I am happy or disappointed with this result. On one hand, we win the #1 pick and get unibrow. On the other, NJ lands #2, so we must wait another year for their first rounder.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Don't know if I am happy or disappointed with this result. On one hand, we win the #1 pick and get unibrow. On the other, NJ lands #2, so we must wait another year for their first rounder.

The real question is how many times did you have to play before ending up with this result?

 

[glazeduck]

Don't know if I am happy or disappointed with this result. On one hand, we win the #1 pick and get unibrow. On the other, NJ lands #2, so we must wait another year for their first rounder.

A point on missing out on NJ's pick this year, since it seems to come up a lot:

It would seem VERY, OVERWHELMINGLY likely that this pick, sooner or later, will be a very valuable asset. Why? Dwight Howard. With Dwight not wanting to be viewed as Lebron 2.0 and signing his option for next year (guaranteeing his status on Orlando's roster through next season) it all but guarantees Deron Williams will be leaving the Nets after THIS season. That means that (likely) neither Howard, nor DWill will be a Net next season to influence next year's pick.

Now I suppose you can play the free agent card and say "well if DWill leaves they'll have a lot of cap space, and moving to Brooklyn and Prokhorov's global entity will appeal to a lot of free agents. True, but we've seen the free agency list, it ain't pretty (to add to the potential roster issues, two of the "prettiest" FAs out there are their own Brooke Lopez and Kris Humphries neither are any guarantee to stay.)

So the Nets will be in a situation where, to be competitive enough to create the doomsday situation of "their 2013 pick won't be valuable" they'll have to build a playoff caliber team with the likes of Marshawn Brooks, Damion James, maybe Gerald Wallace and maaaaaaaybe Brook Lopez and/or Humprhies (on new, larger deals mind you) plus free agents of lower quality than DWill and potentially Lopez and/or Humphries and a top-3 draft pick... Does that really scare ANYONE??? Trades? I'll use the same logic - how drastic of the moves will they have to make to turn that roster into something competitive? All of this, by the way, supposedly coming from the same front office that swapped cap room and a dangerously unprotected pick (which, if you'd been following the story, likely could have been FAR more protected) for Gerald Wallace? Not seein' it.

Suffice it to say, I feel confident that whether it's this draft or next, it'll be a lotto pick.

 

[magnifier661]

The real question is how many times did you have to play before ending up with this result?

Stopped counting at 20. I think it was 10-15 times after.

 

[magnifier661]

A point on missing out on NJ's pick this year, since it seems to come up a lot:

It would seem VERY, OVERWHELMINGLY likely that this pick, sooner or later, will be a very valuable asset. Why? Dwight Howard. With Dwight not wanting to be viewed as Lebron 2.0 and signing his option for next year (guaranteeing his status on Orlando's roster through next season) it all but guarantees Deron Williams will be leaving the Nets. That means that Howard won't be a Net, likely neither will DWill next season.

Now I suppose you can play the free agent card and say "well if DWill leaves they'll have a lot of cap space, and moving to Brooklyn and Prokhorov's global entity will appeal to a lot of free agents. True, but we've seen the free agency list, it ain't pretty (to add to the potential roster issues, two of the "prettiest" FAs out there are their own Brooke Lopez and Kris Humphries neither are any guarantee to stay.)

So the Nets will be in a situation where, to be competitive enough to create the doomsday situation of "their 2013 pick won't be valuable" they'll have to build a playoff caliber team with the likes of Marshawn Brooks, Damion James, maybe Gerald Wallace and maaaaaaaybe Brook Lopez and/or Humprhies (on new, larger deals mind you) plus free agents of lower quality than DWill and potentially Lopez and/or Humphries and a top-3 draft pick... Does that really scare ANYONE??? Trades? I'll use the same logic - how drastic of the moves will they have to make to turn that roster into something competitive? All of this, by the way, supposedly coming from the same front office that swapped cap room and a dangerously unprotected pick (which, if you'd been following the story, likely could have been FAR more protected) for Gerald Wallace? Not seein' it.

Suffice it to say, I feel confident that whether it's this draft or next, it'll be a lotto pick.

No don't get me wrong. I think NJ will be even worse next season, but still would want the pick this season.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I see McAdoo's name on this. Is he planning on entering the draft? If so, that's who you target.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

I see McAdoo's name on this. Is he planning on entering the draft? If so, that's who you target.

Just what we could use, another tweener!

 

[Mediocre Man]

Just what we could use, another tweener!

No tweener. McAdoo will be a stud. His game translates to the NBA really well according to pizza guy

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

ESPN/Chad Ford isnt projecting any international player to go in the lottery/top 14... according to the lottery game. Kinda interesting.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Another thing to keep in mind about Drummond is that he's the age of a HS senior.