prop 8 overruled by 9th court

[RR7]

yes, pedophilia and bestiality are close behind.
I would say it's not the opposing marriage, but loosely equating it to pedophilia and bestiality that makes you the homophobic bigot.
I'm sure the same lame ass slippery slope argument was used when it was still illegal for blacks and whites to marry. that was the beginning of the end. oh no!! Interracial marriage!

 

[The Sebastian Express]

no, just the gradual liberation of what was previously thought of as sexual perversion. as more things become normalized and integrated, people will find new things to "liberate". pedophilia and bestiality...will it be far behind? not saying they're the same thing, but as a society gets more relaxed with their sexual vices, things previously viewed as taboo will have more of an understanding.

Its just a natural course of human nature.

Thought as a sexual perversion in recent times, yes, but not throughout history. Of course we never learn that in schools these days, or it isn't talked about much.

Natural course of human nature is both the liberation of people and oppressing people. New laws are made and history is rewritten by the victors, forgotten until previously buried information is brought to light. A few words purposefully misinterpreted here and there in books treated as unquestioned truth.

What better way to keep marginalized groups down than to tell them they've never amounted to anything in history, and their kind has always been thought of as unnatural?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Why do you care about taboo as long as nobody's doing it to you? And nobody is getting hurt?

I actually don't care. To me, it doesn't matter. I just don't like the groupthink on both sides of the equation and there is only one train of thought.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

yes, pedophilia and bestiality are close behind.
I would say it's not the opposing marriage, but loosely equating it to pedophilia and bestiality that makes you the homophobic bigot.
I'm sure the same lame ass slippery slope argument was used when it was still illegal for blacks and whites to marry. that was the beginning of the end. oh no!! Interracial marriage!

Like I said, its going to be the natural course of things. Pedophillia has long been historically tolerated, its a function of the taboos of society that make it so. If pedophilia was not outlawed, I believe it would be common practice in society. Its just a matter of perspective.

 

[chris_in_pdx]

LOL

I don't expect Hannity to be unbiased about this kind of subject, but then again, he's not a news guy, nor do they claim he is.

And I just did see this fact-based news reporting on Fox a few minutes ago.

You've just hit the issue on the head without even realizing it: the distinction between the actual news reporting and the "talking-head opinion segments" on Fox News has become blurred to the point of incomprehension. Actual news reporting is almost immediately followed by some right-wing nutjob "explaining the issue" to the viewer, in effect telling them how to absorb the information. And the sheeple just eat it up because it's easier than actually thinking.

 

[Denny Crane]

Its not segregation based on sexual preferences. There are actual biological differences. Its like saying having mens and women's restroom facilities or changing rooms at the swimming pool is similar to what the blacks went through in the 1960s.

The taco shop across the street has one bathroom, shared by men and women (one at a time, of course).

And as far as bathrooms and showers go, you've probably peed next to a gay guy and showered in front of many in your day. Segregated bathrooms aren't the panacea you might think.

 

[Denny Crane]

Thought as a sexual perversion in recent times, yes, but not throughout history. Of course we never learn that in schools these days, or it isn't talked about much.

Natural course of human nature is both the liberation of people and oppressing people. New laws are made and history is rewritten by the victors, forgotten until previously buried information is brought to light. A few words purposefully misinterpreted here and there in books treated as unquestioned truth.

What better way to keep marginalized groups down than to tell them they've never amounted to anything in history, and their kind has always been thought of as unnatural?

Well said.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

The taco shop across the street has one bathroom, shared by men and women (one at a time, of course).

And as far as bathrooms and showers go, you've probably peed next to a gay guy and showered in front of many in your day. Segregated bathrooms aren't the panacea you might think.

I've had gay roomates in college. Its not that big of a deal to me. But you have to realize there are differences between the sexes. Its just not sexual preferences that are different, men and women are different biologically and you just can't treat them the same, otherwise I'd be at the rec center taking showers in the women's locker room.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Thought as a sexual perversion in recent times, yes, but not throughout history. Of course we never learn that in schools these days, or it isn't talked about much.

Natural course of human nature is both the liberation of people and oppressing people. New laws are made and history is rewritten by the victors, forgotten until previously buried information is brought to light. A few words purposefully misinterpreted here and there in books treated as unquestioned truth.

What better way to keep marginalized groups down than to tell them they've never amounted to anything in history, and their kind has always been thought of as unnatural?

are you talking about pedophiles?

 

[Denny Crane]

You've just hit the issue on the head without even realizing it: the distinction between the actual news reporting and the "talking-head opinion segments" on Fox News has become blurred to the point of incomprehension. Actual news reporting is almost immediately followed by some right-wing nutjob "explaining the issue" to the viewer, in effect telling them how to absorb the information. And the sheeple just eat it up because it's easier than actually thinking.

I know the difference between a Hannity or Bill Maher or Jon Daily and the actual news people who do reports every 15 minutes.

I also know the difference between Fox, which has actual news on it at least some of the time, and MSNBC which has no actual reporters.

 

[Denny Crane]

I've had gay roomates in college. Its not that big of a deal to me. But you have to realize there are differences between the sexes. Its just not sexual preferences that are different, men and women are different biologically and you just can't treat them the same, otherwise I'd be at the rec center taking showers in the women's locker room.

Would you be groping those women against their will? I bet not. I'm not seeing the actual harm here.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I think the thing that annoys me most about these kind of things are the type of people who get all in your face about how they "support their gay friends", but its nothing more than them showing off and trying to brag about how tolerant and progressive they are. I think that's the crux of it to me. Most of them are all in your face about it. Maybe its not how they are, but I think on a subconscious level they are doing it to create a sense of moral superiority over the "idiots" in society.

To me, its similar to how many atheists behave.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Would you be groping those women against their will? I bet not. I'm not seeing the actual harm here.

yeah, that's fine then. would you let your daughter shower with boys in the same shower room? what's the harm, they're all people! living people!!!!

 

[Denny Crane]

To me it's fully a Libertarian thing. EVERYONE has the right to pursuit of happiness. I simply don't see the benefit of standing in someone's way of that. And surely gay people, like heterosexual people, want to find life partners and get married (pursuit of happiness).

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

To me it's fully a Libertarian thing. EVERYONE has the right to pursuit of happiness. I simply don't see the benefit of standing in someone's way of that. And surely gay people, like heterosexual people, want to find life partners and get married (pursuit of happiness).

brother and sister: should they be able to get married? why or why not?

 

[Denny Crane]

yeah, that's fine then. would you let your daughter shower with boys in the same shower room? what's the harm, they're all people! living people!!!!

Would you let your son shower with gay boys? If you have a son, he has.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Would you let your son shower with gay boys? If you have a son, he has.

so you would not be morally against 12 year old boys and girls, after PE showering and changing in the same facilities. Since there are no sexes, only people.

 

[Denny Crane]

brother and sister: should they be able to get married? why or why not?

The only argument against incest is the increase in frequency of birth defects.

How about 2nd cousins? Where do you draw the line?

It's not something I'd practice, and I suspect few would. But as long as both brother and sister are consenting ADULTS, it's none of my business and I don't see the point in throwing them in prison.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

and men should be able to play in the WNBA.

I just think its a pretty rediculous argument that there is no such thing as sex and you shouldn't look at sex as some kind of factor when looking at differences between people.

support gay marriage all you like, i don't really care..like I said, its fine with me, but don't tell me that you don't believe that men and women are equal in every aspect and should be treated as such, it strikes me as a very disingenuous point of view.

 

[RR7]

what difference does that make to same sex couples being able to marry?

 

[Denny Crane]

so you would not be morally against 12 year old boys and girls, after PE showering and changing in the same facilities. Since there are no sexes, only people.

Morally? Not at all.

Why exactly is it a bad idea?

 

[Denny Crane]

what difference does that make to same sex couples being able to marry?

Because they want to. Good enough reason for me.

 

[RR7]

Because they want to. Good enough reason for me.

I agree. I'm just curious what WNBA, brother sister, etc. have to do with gay marriage. Seems like an extremely odd leap.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Morally? Not at all.

Why exactly is it a bad idea?

Well, unlike you, I recognize that males and females are biologically different. I'm not saying that they shouldn't have equal opportunities but I recognize that they are not really equal in almost every aspect of life. I recognize that there are real gender differences between the sexes.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

what difference does that make to same sex couples being able to marry?

It doesn't. Again, I'm not really opposed to gay marriage. I just find much of the reasoning and fear mongering pretty shallow at best.

I try to correct society, one post at a time. :MARIS61:

 

[RR7]

It doesn't. Again, I'm not really opposed to gay marriage. I just find much of the reasoning and fear mongering pretty shallow at best.

I try to correct society, one post at a time. :MARIS61:

I dunno, I'd say equating homosexuality to beastiality, and giving a slippery slope argument is much more poor reasoning and fear mongering than saying they should be treated equal. So if you're correcting society,a nd have no problem with it at all, why don't you correct the portion of society that is giving poor reasoning and fear mongering?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I agree. I'm just curious what WNBA, brother sister, etc. have to do with gay marriage. Seems like an extremely odd leap.

Denny is arguing men = women. Which I don't feel is accurate. If you support gay marriage, support it. Don't give me this BS about how women and men are equal in every aspect of life and should be treated the same in every situation.

 

[Denny Crane]

Denny is arguing men = women. Which I don't feel is accurate. If you support gay marriage, support it. Don't give me this BS about how women and men are equal in every aspect of life and should be treated the same in every situation.

I argued no such thing. My argument is that you don't have one

 

[RR7]

yeah, I missed denny making that argument, but I saw you trying to somehow pin it on him. Poor reasoning and fear mongering. And yet you complain about it. lol

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I dunno, I'd say equating homosexuality to beastiality, and giving a slippery slope argument is much more poor reasoning and fear mongering than saying they should be treated equal. So if you're correcting society,a nd have no problem with it at all, why don't you correct the portion of society that is giving poor reasoning and fear mongering?

I'm not equating homosexuality to bestiality other than homosexuality was seen as a sexual perversion until fairly recently. As a society "advances", things will be more liberated and things that were sexual perversions in the past soon become the new normal. Not saying its going to happen, but I would bet that pedophillia and bestiality are much more prevalent than you would think. Just look at all the arrests on Dateline NBC, teacher scandals, child porn arrests, etc. If society were to tolerate it say 20 years from now, I believe the behavior would likely become more "accepted" and the same arguments will remain in place by a certain type of person.

And when you refer to the "portion of society that is giving poor reasoning and fear mongering", I think the anti-gay marriage crowd is pretty well covered in that regard. Most of them are batshit insane religious types.