prop 8 overruled by 9th court

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I argued no such thing. My argument is that you don't have one

You did it when you argued that the segregation in gay marriage is about sexual preference rather than the more glaringly obvious difference of gender.

 

[Denny Crane]

I'm not equating homosexuality to bestiality other than homosexuality was seen as a sexual perversion until fairly recently. As a society "advances", things will be more liberated and things that were sexual perversions in the past soon become the new normal. Not saying its going to happen, but I would bet that pedophillia and bestiality are much more prevalent than you would think. Just look at all the arrests on Dateline NBC, teacher scandals, child porn arrests, etc. If society were to tolerate it say 20 years from now, I believe the behavior would likely become more "accepted" and the same arguments will remain in place by a certain type of person.

And when you refer to the "portion of society that is giving poor reasoning and fear mongering", I think the anti-gay marriage crowd is pretty well covered in that regard. Most of them are batshit insane religious types.

There's a big difference between pedophilia and homosexuality. There are adult men and women pedophiles that attack children of the opposite sex (they're "heterosexual").

There's absolutely nothing about homosexuality that is related to pedophilia.

 

[Denny Crane]

You did it when you argued that the segregation in gay marriage is about sexual preference rather than the more glaringly obvious difference of gender.

That's a leap of logic.

Gay marriage is between man and man or woman and woman. There's even less of a biological difference in this case.

 

[porkchopexpress]

I'm not equating homosexuality to bestiality other than homosexuality was seen as a sexual perversion until fairly recently. As a society "advances", things will be more liberated and things that were sexual perversions in the past soon become the new normal. Not saying its going to happen, but I would bet that pedophillia and bestiality are much more prevalent than you would think. Just look at all the arrests on Dateline NBC, teacher scandals, child porn arrests, etc. If society were to tolerate it say 20 years from now, I believe the behavior would likely become more "accepted" and the same arguments will remain in place by a certain type of person.

And when you refer to the "portion of society that is giving poor reasoning and fear mongering", I think the anti-gay marriage crowd is pretty well covered in that regard. Most of them are batshit insane religious types.

Except for pedophilia has a clear victim.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

There's a big difference between pedophilia and homosexuality. There are adult men and women pedophiles that attack children of the opposite sex (they're "heterosexual").

There's absolutely nothing about homosexuality that is related to pedophilia.

Except that they have been thought of as sexual perversions. I'm not saying they are even close to the same, but given time in a society, there will be groups that will push for it to become socially accepted. Pedophilia has been historically tolerated as being normal.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

That's a leap of logic.

Gay marriage is between man and man or woman and woman. There's even less of a biological difference in this case.

Correct.

And there is a difference between a man and woman getting married vs. people of the same sex doing so, no matter what you say. Yet you seem to think that they are the same situation as you had argued earlier and nothing is different.

You continued on this path of thinking with continued examples in which you disregarded a person's sex in different situations (i.e. men and women shared bathroom facilities, etc).

 

[RR7]

how is the marriage different?

 

[Denny Crane]

Correct.

And there is a difference between a man and woman getting married vs. people of the same sex doing so, no matter what you say. Yet you seem to think that they are the same situation as you had argued earlier and nothing is different.

You continued on this path of thinking with continued examples in which you disregarded a person's sex in different situations (i.e. men and women shared bathroom facilities, etc).

I admit I don't know what makes a man love another man or a woman love another woman. It's none of my business. They're grown ups and they can and should be able to do whatever they want as long as there's no physical harm to one or the other.

Shared bathrooms exist and there's no incidence of increased crime or other bad things because they exist. Physical differences between men and women simply don't mean anything in the examples you dredge up.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

how is the marriage different?

It is homosexual, instead of being heterosexual.

 

[RR7]

yes, and similarly, a biracial marriage is different. But it's still a marriage.

 

[julius]

I think so. ***gots are guaranteed constitutional rights. I'd never begrudge them that. But marriage, to me, is more of a moral issue and for many a business issue to get insurance for someone who normally cannot.

Either way, it will happen for them as the moral decline of any society as ours has been repeated nonstop throughout history.

I see your true colors...shinin' through...

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

yes, and similarly, a biracial marriage is different. But it's still a marriage.

No, not similarly. Race and gender are two very different things, which is why segregation as an example is a bad one.

 

[Denny Crane]

How about you consider why a gay couple would want to marry?

Why would you want to marry? The answer to both questions is the same.

 

[julius]

I have nothing against teh gheys, but whats next? robots and dogs? I mean, they're the same as pedophiles and dog fuckers. And morals are lowered.

But I have nothing against them!

 

[RR7]

but they're different. and that difference shouldn't make marriage not allowed.

 

[Pokemanzdood]

It is homosexual, instead of being heterosexual.

What about people born hermaphrodites, or super males, or any other manner of of conditions that obscure your genetically determined sex? I suppose you think that any of them getting married should be thought of as different as well.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

How about you consider why a gay couple would want to marry?

Why would you want to marry? The answer to both questions is the same.

That's fine. Like I said, I'm not against gay marriage. I'm just against likening it to racial segregation or saying that people against gay marriage and calling it a civil union are evil babykillers.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

but they're different. and that difference shouldn't make marriage not allowed.

denny disagrees with you.

 

[Denny Crane]

That's fine. Like I said, I'm not against gay marriage. I'm just against likening it to racial segregation or saying that people against gay marriage and calling it a civil union are evil babykillers.

It's discrimination, period.

 

[Denny Crane]

denny disagrees with you.

No, I agree with him.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

It's discrimination, period.

No it isn't, because discrimination assumes some sort of equal condition being present, which isn't there.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

No, I agree with him.

No, you don't. By you equating this to the "separate but equal" terminology used in times of racial segregation, you see no difference between heterosexual and homosexual couples, when they are different (in terms of gender, the main difference between the two).

 

[Denny Crane]

No it isn't, because discrimination assumes some sort of equal condition being present, which isn't there.

It assumes an unequal treatment of two groups of Persons. That is the situation.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

What about people born hermaphrodites, or super males, or any other manner of of conditions that obscure your genetically determined sex? I suppose you think that any of them getting married should be thought of as different as well.

Is there a supermale restroom?

 

[Denny Crane]

No, you don't. By you equating this to the "separate but equal" terminology used in times of racial segregation, you see no difference between heterosexual and homosexual couples, when they are different (in terms of gender, the main difference between the two).

Yep. I see no difference, from the law or marriage perspectives.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

It assumes an unequal treatment of two groups of Persons. That is the situation.

But you are comparing two biologically distinct demographics of the parties, so your argument is invalid.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Yep. I see no difference, from the law or marriage perspectives.

Yes. RR7 said they are different, and I said you disagree with that.

 

[Denny Crane]

Yes. RR7 said they are different, and I said you disagree with that.

RR7 was pointing out that by your reasoning, interracial marriage shouldn't be allowed because of the "difference" between the two people.

I agree with him that this is nutso kind of thinking.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

RR7 was pointing out that by your reasoning, interracial marriage shouldn't be allowed because of the "difference" between the two people.

I agree with him that this is nutso kind of thinking.

No, he was saying that heterosexual and homosexual couples ARE different, but that shouldn't prohibit them from getting married.

Which actually reflects my point of view.

 

[Run BJM]

No, he was saying that heterosexual and homosexual couples ARE different, but that shouldn't prohibit them from getting married.

Which actually reflects my point of view.

So Denny won?