prop 8 overruled by 9th court

[EL PRESIDENTE]

won what?

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I want to marry 5 women and they want to marry me . . . where are my constitutional rights?

I want to marry my sister . . . where are my constitutional rights?

I want to marry my best friend who is already married . . . whre are my consititutional rights?

I want to marry my 12 year old nephew and the parents agree . . . where are my constitutional rights?

I want to marry my deceased grandmother who said in her will she wants to marry me . . . where are my contitutional rights?

I want to marry a corporation . . . where are my constitutional rights?

Damn it I have the right to pursue my hapiness!

 

[julius]

I want to marry 5 women and they want to marry me . . . where are my constitutional rights?

I want to marry my sister . . . where are my constitutional rights?

I want to marry my best friend who is already married . . . whre are my consititutional rights?

I want to marry my 12 year old nephew and the parents agree . . . where are my constitutional rights?

A 12 year old is not a consenting adult.

I want to marry my deceased grandmother who said in her will she wants to marry me . . . where are my contitutional rights?

I want to marry a corporation . . . where are my constitutional rights?

Damn it I have the right to pursue my hapiness!

You also have the right to think you made a few points there, even when you didn't.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

Man I sure hope those of you spreading this pedophilia bullshit don't know any one who is a victim of child molestation and never have kids.

 

[RR7]

No, he was saying that heterosexual and homosexual couples ARE different, but that shouldn't prohibit them from getting married.

Which actually reflects my point of view.

I said different in the super simple fact that two guys is different than a guy and a girl. Just on the face of it. The same way a black man and a white woman are different than a black woman and a white man, which are different than a black man and a black woman which is different than a white man and a white woman. But all of them should be allowed to be married. I think you're trying to apply some definition of different or add MORE meaning to it, which I am not intending or implying.

As for the separate but equal. I am a guy. I should have the same right to marry that this guy over here is, even if that guy is gay. By saying that guy can not be married, it is discriminating against him. By offering him civil unions instead of marriage, and saying they're about the same, you're giving him a "separate but equal" union with his partner.

 

[RR7]

And seriously, you complain about group think, but then trot out the same tired as slippery slope argument used so often to oppose gay marriage. But then say you aren't opposed. But somehow that's keeping us not opposed in check. Because you think we all think exactly the same,which is really only true in the thought that gay couples should be allowed to marry.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I said different in the super simple fact that two guys is different than a guy and a girl. Just on the face of it. The same way a black man and a white woman are different than a black woman and a white man, which are different than a black man and a black woman which is different than a white man and a white woman. But all of them should be allowed to be married. I think you're trying to apply some definition of different or add MORE meaning to it, which I am not intending or implying.

As for the separate but equal. I am a guy. I should have the same right to marry that this guy over here is, even if that guy is gay. By saying that guy can not be married, it is discriminating against him. By offering him civil unions instead of marriage, and saying they're about the same, you're giving him a "separate but equal" union with his partner.

But a homosexual couple isn't "equal" to a heterosexual couple. They are distinctly different, biologically speaking. Perhaps they are equal in the fact that they are two people, but there are very very distinct differences in the dynamic. Recognizing these differences doesn't necessarily make one a bigot or discriminatory, as Denny insinuates is the case.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

And seriously, you complain about group think, but then trot out the same tired as slippery slope argument used so often to oppose gay marriage. But then say you aren't opposed. But somehow that's keeping us not opposed in check. Because you think we all think exactly the same,which is really only true in the thought that gay couples should be allowed to marry.

I'm just observing how society functions.

 

[RR7]

But a homosexual couple isn't "equal" to a heterosexual couple. They are distinctly different, biologically speaking. Perhaps they are equal in the fact that they are two people, but there are very very distinct differences in the dynamic. Recognizing these differences doesn't necessarily make one a bigot or discriminatory, as Denny insinuates is the case.

I'd say recognizing them in the way you do, and putting it on par with pedophilia and beastiality DOES make you a bigot, but whatever.

So by saying they're not equal, it's similar to saying a black person and a white person aren't equal, no? They are distinctly different, biologically speaking. And if I then said well, I'm fin with allowing blacks to marry whites, but then slippery slope bullshit, I think it'd be fair to call me a bigot.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

A 12 year old is not a consenting adult.

A 12 years old can enter into contracts with a guardian ad litem . . . you know when an adult enters a contract on behalf of a child . . . or am I getting too legal for you?

Marriage should absolutely be regulated by the gov't . . . having said that I think they should allow gay marriages.

 

[Denny Crane]

So Denny won?

Never lost a case. Denny Crane!

 

[Denny Crane]

I'd say recognizing them in the way you do, and putting it on par with pedophilia and beastiality DOES make you a bigot, but whatever.

So by saying they're not equal, it's similar to saying a black person and a white person aren't equal, no? They are distinctly different, biologically speaking. And if I then said well, I'm fin with allowing blacks to marry whites, but then slippery slope bullshit, I think it'd be fair to call me a bigot.

No two couple are "equal.". There are four individuals, no combination exactly identical.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I'd say recognizing them in the way you do, and putting it on par with pedophilia and beastiality DOES make you a bigot, but whatever.

So by saying they're not equal, it's similar to saying a black person and a white person aren't equal, no? They are distinctly different, biologically speaking. And if I then said well, I'm fin with allowing blacks to marry whites, but then slippery slope bullshit, I think it'd be fair to call me a bigot.

I'm not putting them on "par". I'm just stating that homosexuality was seen as a sexual perversion and a disease, much like how pedophilia and beastility are now. They are different concepts, but the way society views them at different times are not dissimilar. its nothing more than casual observation predicting future societal trends.

A black man and a white man are not biologically distinctly different in the same sense that a man and a woman are.

 

[Denny Crane]

I'm not putting them on "par". I'm just stating that homosexuality was seen as a sexual perversion and a disease, much like how pedophilia and beastility are now. They are different concepts, but the way society views them at different times are not dissimilar.

That's not nearly true. In some cultures it might be true, and in others it isn't. The thing is, we are supposed to be a melting pot of culture, not some selected few's culture.

Vive le difference!

 

[Pokemanzdood]

Is there a supermale restroom?

There's not, but they are biologically different than a normal male, so with your logic should't they have separate restrooms?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

There's not, but they are biologically different than a normal male, so with your logic should't they have separate restrooms?

they are still male. they are biologically different, but not to as a degree as being a different gender.

 

[Pokemanzdood]

they are still male. they are biologically different, but not to as a degree as being a different gender.

What constitutes a different gender? A can blast fish eggs with testosterone and all of them become functional males, even the ones with XY chromosomes, or get all females if I treat them with estrogen. Sex is a much more plastic thing than you're making it out to be.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

What constitutes a different gender? A can blast fish eggs with testosterone and all of them become functional males, even the ones with XY chromosomes, or get all females if I treat them with estrogen. Sex is a much more plastic thing than you're making it out to be.

No, it isn't.

 

[MARIS61]

I want to marry 5 women and they want to marry me . . . where are my constitutional rights?

I want to marry my sister . . . where are my constitutional rights?

I want to marry my best friend who is already married . . . whre are my consititutional rights?

I want to marry my 12 year old nephew and the parents agree . . . where are my constitutional rights?

I want to marry my deceased grandmother who said in her will she wants to marry me . . . where are my contitutional rights?

I want to marry a corporation . . . where are my constitutional rights?

Damn it I have the right to pursue my hapiness!

1. Show me 5 women who'd marry you.

2. You can marry your sister as long as she's not your biological sister.

3. You can marry him, but he can't marry you.

4. Pedophillia = strawman

5. 'til death do you part...oops, too late!

6. You can marry a corporation, as far as SCOTUS is concerned.

 

[Pokemanzdood]

No, it isn't.

How is it not? It's not a simple as male and female, there's so much variation, even with people who to your eye might look male or female.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

How is it not? It's not a simple as male and female, there's so much variation, even with people who to your eye might look male or female.

oh god, who gives a fuck. choose the closest thing i guess then.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

I think the thing that annoys me most about these kind of things are the type of people who get all in your face about how they "support their gay friends", but its nothing more than them showing off and trying to brag about how tolerant and progressive they are. I think that's the crux of it to me. Most of them are all in your face about it. Maybe its not how they are, but I think on a subconscious level they are doing it to create a sense of moral superiority over the "idiots" in society.

To me, its similar to how many atheists behave.

Is this how you view all political issues? Through the lens of an imagined thought process attributed to no one in particular? Because if so, that would make so much sense.

 

[Eastoff]

just to dip back into the conversation, it was common in europe at one time for homosexuality to be the norm.

 

[julius]

A 12 years old can enter into contracts with a guardian ad litem . . . you know when an adult enters a contract on behalf of a child . . . or am I getting too legal for you?

Marriage should absolutely be regulated by the gov't . . . having said that I think they should allow gay marriages.

we are discussing consenting adults. They do it on their own. A 12 year old still needs a guardian to have something to do with it.

 

[STOMP]

I think so. ***gots are guaranteed constitutional rights. I'd never begrudge them that. But marriage, to me, is more of a moral issue and for many a business issue to get insurance for someone who normally cannot.

Either way, it will happen for them as the moral decline of any society as ours has been repeated nonstop throughout history.

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STOMP

 

[crandc]

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STOMP

Stomp, will you marry me?

You bring your girlfriend.

I'll bring my 3 cats and the cake.

We'll wear our best Blazers gear.

What's not to love?