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Natebishop3

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Montee Ball is a beast. That guy has a huge future in the NFL. He's insanely strong and fast.

Wilson is also pro material. I think that guy will go on to do good things in the NFL.

They played a great game, but we figured them out in the second half and got some big stops.
 
Ball was average, IMO. LMJ was better this game, and was completely overlooked.

Ball 32 carries/164 yards/ 5.1 ypc/ long of 42
LMJ 25 carries/159 yards/6.4 ypc/ long of 29

Ball was pretty much shut down outside of one carry.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Wilson is also pro material. I think that guy will go on to do good things in the NFL.

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Wilson is 5'11". He has a great future ... in the CFL. I'm not bashing the guy, either, by saying this. He'll be a beast in that league.
 
PapaG said:
Ball was average, IMO. LMJ was better this game, and was completely overlooked.

Ball 32 carries/164 yards/ 5.1 ypc/ long of 42
LMJ 25 carries/159 yards/6.4 ypc/ long of 29

Ball was pretty much shut down outside of one carry.
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Now I know you're crazy.
 
PapaG said:
Ball in the 4th quarter. 3 carries/0 yards. So much for the big line. Ball is average.
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LOL how could you watch that guy and think he's average? He took shots from linebackers and shrugged them off. Only Clay could actually wrap him up. The Ducks keyed on him and the Badgers were unable to full capitalize in the second half. Give credit to Coach Aliotti and the defense. This guy is a solid back. We faced other solid backs this season and shut them down so I wouldn't lay the blame on him. 164 yards is not average.
 
that tackle where Ball through Clay off of him, but Clay still was able to get him by the ankles was crazy. Two people giving it all they got and it was a draw. I believe that was the "Equal" part of the equal or opposite reaction formula.
 
Ball was fun to watch. He's a jukin', spinnin', stop and go nightmare. I don't think our defense or NA thought he was average at all.
 
Natebishop3 said:
LOL how could you watch that guy and think he's average? He took shots from linebackers and shrugged them off. Only Clay could actually wrap him up. The Ducks keyed on him and the Badgers were unable to full capitalize in the second half. Give credit to Coach Aliotti and the defense. This guy is a solid back. We faced other solid backs this season and shut them down so I wouldn't lay the blame on him. 164 yards is not average.
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I'll be interested to see what Ball's measurables are at the NFL Combine. For much of the first half, he wasn't being touched for the first four yards he had the ball. John Clay put up huge numbers last year. I think it's more of a system thing in terms of back production, and how good their O line blocks the run.

I just didn't see an NFL burst out of him. Maybe I'm wrong, but I saw more Anthony Thompson than Barry Sanders out of how he runs. If he runs 4.5 or lower, I'll be very surprised.
 
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I'll be interested to see what Ball's measurables are at the NFL Combine. For much of the first half, he wasn't being touched for the first four yards he had the ball. John Clay put up huge numbers last year. I think it's more of a system thing in terms of back production, and how good their O line blocks the run.

I just didn't see an NFL burst out of him. Maybe I'm wrong, but I saw more Anthony Thompson than Barry Sanders out of how he runs. If he runs 4.5 or lower, I'll be very surprised.
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He'd overtaken Clay as the starter by the end of 2010, and that was as a sophomore before he lost all that weight. He also scored, fwiw, more TDs this season than Clay did in his final two years.

I'm not sure why he need to run a 4.5 or lower to be more than an "average" NCAA running back, and I don't see how 33 TDs in a single season--even if TDs aren't the best stat in the world--is anything approaching "average".

As for his pro prospects... who knows? He could easily be as good or better than Blount, IMO, and he might turn out to be a superior pro to LaMichael.

Ed O.
 
not saying you are wrong Ed-O, I very well probably am, since I'm using Musberger as a reference (yuck) but I thought they said during the broadcast that Ball was beaten out by a Freshman or something last year, and thats when he decided he needed to get better. Like I said I could be totally off. And cant say I followed anything of Wisconsin the last few years other than the MSU games this year and Rose Bowl last year lol
 
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not saying you are wrong Ed-O, I very well probably am, since I'm using Musberger as a reference (yuck) but I thought they said during the broadcast that Ball was beaten out by a Freshman or something last year, and thats when he decided he needed to get better. Like I said I could be totally off. And cant say I followed anything of Wisconsin the last few years other than the MSU games this year and Rose Bowl last year lol
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I linked to an article that states that he was the starter at the time of the Rose Bowl--although it might have been because Clay was hurt (the article is a bit unclear and I don't want to take that much more time to research it :) ).

Musberger DID say what you said he said, but he pretty much ignored Clay as far as I can remember... and the three shared time pretty equally overall.

White ended up with more yards than Clay or Ball, fwiw. http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/stats/_/id/275/year/2010/wisconsin-badgers

Ball's emergence this season was helped by Clay's departure (he went undrafted after leaving a year early) but presumably more by his improvement than White taking a step back, although I don't know that for sure.

Ed O.
 
gotcha. Thanks for the clarification :)
 
If Ball would have had a productive second half similar to the first, the outcome of the game could have been different. His first half was the thing of legends. Second half...not so much. Kiko and Clay were huge in the second.
 
Ed O said:
He'd overtaken Clay as the starter by the end of 2010, and that was as a sophomore before he lost all that weight. He also scored, fwiw, more TDs this season than Clay did in his final two years.

I'm not sure why he need to run a 4.5 or lower to be more than an "average" NCAA running back, and I don't see how 33 TDs in a single season--even if TDs aren't the best stat in the world--is anything approaching "average".

As for his pro prospects... who knows? He could easily be as good or better than Blount, IMO, and he might turn out to be a superior pro to LaMichael.

Ed O.
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The OP said that Ball has a "huge future in the NFL". I'm not sure about that. LMJ had more 15+ yard carries than Ball did this year, and did it on 60 fewer carries. I just don't see the top-end speed to be a Chris Johnson, or the size to be a Steven Jackson.

Maybe I'm wrong, but IMO, odds are that Ball will be more average player in the NFL than he'll be star. Sorry if people disagree, but the guy came out of nowhere this season because he didn't really split carries, yet he still only had one run over 50 yards behind a great offensive line. Hell, in 3 years and ~570 carries, he only has one run over 50 yards.
 
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Ed O said:
I linked to an article that states that he was the starter at the time of the Rose Bowl--although it might have been because Clay was hurt (the article is a bit unclear and I don't want to take that much more time to research it :) ).

Musberger DID say what you said he said, but he pretty much ignored Clay as far as I can remember... and the three shared time pretty equally overall.

White ended up with more yards than Clay or Ball, fwiw. http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/stats/_/id/275/year/2010/wisconsin-badgers

Ball's emergence this season was helped by Clay's departure (he went undrafted after leaving a year early) but presumably more by his improvement than White taking a step back, although I don't know that for sure.

Ed O.
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Ball averaged 6.1 ypc in 2010
He averaged 6.3 ypc in 2011

The biggest difference in one year was that he got the ball a lot more this year than last year. I'm not saying he's a bad back at all for college, but it's apparent to me that he lacks gamebreaking speed or size needed to be an elite NFL running back.

With the numbers Ball put up, he should be a consensus Top 15 NFL pick. He's not, though, which makes me wonder about his NFL future.
 
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Ball averaged 6.1 ypc in 2010
He averaged 6.3 ypc in 2011

The biggest difference in one year was that he got the ball a lot more this year than last year. I'm not saying he's a bad back at all for college, but it's apparent to me that he lacks gamebreaking speed or size needed to be an elite NFL running back.

With the numbers Ball put up, he should be a consensus Top 15 NFL pick. He's not, though, which makes me wonder about his NFL future.
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I see some Adrian Peterson in him. I won't be surprised if he has a big career in the NFL.
 
I think the Badgers have a very effective offense and it showed.. They put up a ton of points and are clearly a top 10 team! That said, we have knock out punch big play players that don't just beat ya but leave ya wondering what to do? We could make adjustments at the half to them, they could not make adjustments to our offensive raw talent. That why 5* recruits like DAT are so coveted!

They are a great team though and solid, no shame in their game!!
 
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The OP said that Ball has a "huge future in the NFL". I'm not sure about that.
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Ah, sorry. I glossed over that. I can see how you have huge questions about him at the NFL level. I was more reacting to what kind of a college player he is, and I think that he was outstanding this year.

Ed O.
 
I don't see what the problem is.... he's strong... he can take hits.... he's quick..... he sees holes.... The guy tied Barry freakin Sanders record for most TDs in a season.
 
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I see some Adrian Peterson in him. I won't be surprised if he has a big career in the NFL.
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Wow. Now that's a reach.

Peterson measured 6'2"/218 lbs. at the NFL combine and ran a 4.38 40.

Ball will be lucky to run a 4.5, based on what I've seen. He reminds me of Maurice Clarrett, actually.
 
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I don't see what the problem is.... he's strong... he can take hits.... he's quick..... he sees holes.... The guy tied Barry freakin Sanders record for most TDs in a season.
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He had a great collegiate season, but I think he has some holes (mostly top end speed) that are going to limit his impact in the NFL.
 
props to Wisconsin... great fans. Had good fun with those around me in the stadium and shared laughs/well wishes/beers with Badger fans throughout the fucking phenomenal game day.

Following the game with my voice trashed from yelling, I was talking to my friend about what game(s) in the history of the program might have been better to attend. Perhaps I'm still a little too close to the situation to properly assess matters, but the Kenny Wheaton is gonna score game was the only one I could put in the conversation.

I've got smile cramps too :)

STOMP
 
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The guy tied Barry freakin Sanders record for most TDs in a season.
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not to downplay the season Ball had... but didnt Sanders set that record in like 11 games and had like 5 more TD's in the Bowl game which didnt count towards the record?
 
Ball is returning to Wisky.
 
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