Protesters Storm U.S. Embassy in Cairo

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maxiep said:
Iran does not wish to protect the status quo. Pakistan does not wish to protect the status quo. Russia does not wish to protect the status quo. Hamas does not wish to protect the status quo. Sudan does not wish to protect the status quo. Venezuela does not wish to protect the status quo. I could go on and on and on and on. International relations are about expansion being resisted by other forces. It's dynamic.
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The status quo is "who is running the nation."


Nations don't have to deal with us. There are plenty of other customers.
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Take a look at the trade deficit and get back to me on this one.

I care. Do you wish to live under a Fascist- (Germanic/Italian/Japanese), Soviet- or Chinese-dominated world order? Our wars haven't been futile. We're enriched by them because free trade makes everyone weathier.

Denny, I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree. That isolationist foreign policy is what separates me from the Libertarians the most. I could get past the drug issue, but the naivete on international affairs to me is just too much.
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You got the "free trade makes everyone wealthier" part right.

As for the fascists, there's no evidence they could have maintained a world domination. Their economies were entirely funded with the gold of nations they conquered.

The soviets couldn't dominate Eastern Europe for all that long. And when they did, look at East Germany vs. West Germany - it was a sharp contrast in success. So I'd think the Russkies would ultimately want to deal with us.

You spoke of a void to be filled. Who left the void we filled, and where are they now? The answer implies that we'll end up following that same path, if history repeats itself.
 
the Arab spring is bad for US interests and this is somehow Obama's fault because he hasn't invaded yet

one of the stupidest fucking things I've heard today.
 
Most of the middle-east (regardless of their religion or political leanings) despises the US government simply due to the fact that over the last several decades we've managed to slaughter friends and relatives of virtually anyone who is still alive there.

Any President and every congressman who has waged war there shares the blame, as does any American who has supported these wars. It's not something that can be changed overnight, or even in our lifetimes, but it should be obvious even to the dimmest bulb that it's not something that can be solved by more killing.
 


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maxiep said:
Funny. You call yourself tolerant and accepting of others, yet you seem remarkably intolerant and unaccepting of white, male Christians.
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I haven't been in a church for years, and it's fairly well-known here that I'm agnostic in terms of any religious or spiritual views.

Chris can't even get his stereotyping right. :lol:
 
chris_in_pdx said:
Sorry that it doesn't satisfy your bloodlust. Refer to my previous post about not understanding fuck-all about foreign relations.
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Turns out Libyan security forces told the mob where to find the ambassador.

"Sorry, silly Americans! We won't let it happen again. Promise, mkay?!?"

:tsktsk:
 
Denny Crane said:
You have to look at the two incidents separately. The only fact linking the two is the reaction to the movie.
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So, I'm supposed to believe that in the two countries that had leadership removed by Obama, that on the same day at nearly the same time, on the 11th anniversary of 9/11, that the US embassies were breached because of some movie that nobody has ever heard of?

AQ already has stated that the attacks were in response to a Pakistani AQ leader killed in June. CBS News even reported it.

How anybody can believe that these too similar attacks were merely coincidental really makes me question that person's intelligence. What is odd is that the Embassy in Egypt put out a message condemning the film before even being attacked, and then took down their own statement.
 
crandc said:
Didn't happen, though.

But don't let a mere fact stop you.

As Chris said, it's so easy to be a 101st fighting keyboardist condemning what people under siege didn't even actually say. Nothing like an armchair warrior.

I saw your boy Romney with a big smirk.
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Really?

Must be nice to live in a fantasy world.

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maxiep said:
That photo was disturbing and sad. It's hard to tell from it what was happening to the Ambassador.

As for Romney's countenance, do you really think he was smirking and happy about these developments? If so, I think we'll agree to disagree. I watched his press conference and he didn't seem happy at all.
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There are multiple photos, and eyewitness accounts of the body being paraded around the streets.

Why crandc can't accept this reality says more about her than it does the animals who murdered this man. Animals need to be trained, and animals know that dominant force must be respected. Mealy-mouthed statements by the do-nothing in Chief are laughed at in the Middle East. I give Obama credit for deposing two dictators in the Middle East and Northern Africa, but his post-action plan was even more nonexistent than Bush's in Iraq.
 
The fact this is being politicized like it is by the Romney campaign is gross.
 
CNN’s Hala Gorani reported via Twitter that the network now believes that the Islamists who attacked the Libyan consulate used the existence of an anti-Muhammad film as a “diversion”:

US sources tell CNN say attackers who targeted consulate used protests against film as a diversion. Say attack was planned. #Libya

— Hala Gorani (@HalaGorani) September 12, 2012

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/12/c...a-diversion-attack-was-planned/#ixzz26H9yxsXt
 
But, but, but, it was because of a movie DerpDerpDerp. I mean, who doesn't drive around with RPG launchers in their cars, just in case a spontaneous protest erupts at one specific US location today!

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/12/world/africa/libya-us-ambassador-killed/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Meanwhile, a London think tank with strong ties to Libya speculated Wednesday that Stevens was actually the victim of a targeted al Qaeda revenge attack. The assault “came to avenge the death of Abu Yaya al-Libi, al Qaeda’s second in command killed a few months ago,” the think tank Quilliam said Wednesday.
It was “the work of roughly 20 militants, prepared for a military assault,” the think tank said, noting that rocket-propelled grenade launchers do not normally appear at peaceful protests, and that there were no other protests against the film elsewhere in Libya.
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PapaG, you are so fucking angry at the world, why don't you go shoot up a mosque or beat up a few local "ragheads" to make yourself feel better about the fact that you and your xenophobic fucktard ilk are losing control of "your country" and "your way of life"? I'm sure they'll set up a nice comfy jail cell for you.
 
chris_in_pdx said:
PapaG, you are so fucking angry at the world, why don't you go shoot up a mosque or beat up a few local "ragheads" to make yourself feel better about the fact that you and your xenophobic fucktard ilk are losing control of "your country" and "your way of life"? I'm sure they'll set up a nice comfy jail cell for you.
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What are you babbling about now? You're more angry at me than you are the animals who murdered the US ambassador to Libya.

That's weird and very disturbing. The rest of your post is nonsense, as usual.

You know nothing about my life. You already whiffed on the "Christian" thing, so why stop being the fool now, right?
 
Probably was prepping for Letterman next week, or hitting the links yet again. :dunno:

Why do they still call it a "daily" briefing, when he's lucky to get it once or twice a week?

REPORT: No Record of Obama Attending Intel Briefings Week Before Attack...
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According to the White House calendar, there is no public record of President Barack Obama attending his daily intelligence briefing--known as the Presidential Daily Brief (PDB)--in the week leading up to the attacks on the U.S. embassy in Cairo and the murder of U.S. Libyan Ambassador Chris Stevens and three American members of his staff:

The last time prior to the slayings that the White House calendar publicly confirms Mr. Obama attending his daily intelligence briefing was September 5th. (The White House did not provide an official public calendar for September 8-10.) Mr. Obama and Vice President Joe Biden met with Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta at 5:00 p.m. yesterday.
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chris_in_pdx said:
PapaG, you are so fucking angry at the world, why don't you go shoot up a mosque or beat up a few local "ragheads" to make yourself feel better about the fact that you and your xenophobic fucktard ilk are losing control of "your country" and "your way of life"? I'm sure they'll set up a nice comfy jail cell for you.
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w.t.f.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
w.t.f.
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Chris thinks that everybody who condemns religious fanatical animals, or who doesn't support Obama, is a redneck racist with a trunk full of AK-47s. Oh, and I'm Christian, too, which is news to me.

What an oddball. How high do you think his blood pressure spiked during that crazy rant? :)
 
PapaG said:
It's a false flag. Romney, Obama, and the Illuminati are all in on it. Has anybody checked Fort Knox during this diversion?
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Bernanke is at Fort Knox with a key and a knapsack ready to flood the market with additional money.
 
PapaG said:
Chris thinks that everybody who condemns religious fanatical animals, or who doesn't support Obama, is a redneck racist with a trunk full of AK-47s. Oh, and I'm Christian, too, which is news to me.

What an oddball. How high do you think his blood pressure spiked during that crazy rant? :)
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You're obviously a walmart shopping redneck birther. At least that what Bill Mahar tells him what to think.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
You're obviously a walmart shopping redneck birther. At least that what Bill Mahar tells him what to think.
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You're Asian, but Asians aren't considered a minority to Democrats, so basically, you're a white Christian redneck, too.
 
PapaG said:
You're Asian, but Asians aren't considered a minority to Democrats, so basically, you're a white Christian redneck, too.
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I also enjoy peanut butter and jelly sandwhiches. which means I'm racist.
 
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