Proud moment for Aldridge

[blazerboy30]

I do know though, that since Roy has come back, LA's numbers have gone down, the team stands around more, and we take way more jump shots....especially against the clock

The bolded part is true. Do you have any proof of the rest or are you just making it up?

 

[blazerboy30]

I largely blame Andre Miller...

Well there's a surprise.

 

[Boob-No-More]

We won right?

Both times I watched it. Some people here must have been watching a different game. Anyone who thinks Andre Miller almost cost us the game is a fucktard that doesn't know shit about basketball.

Go back and watch the end of the 3rd quarter. Miller came out with 3:36 left in the quarter and the Blazer up 2 (65-63). Without Miller in the game, the Blazers turned the ball over 4 times in the last 3 minutes of the 3rd quarter and got outscored 9-2 by the Spurs, turning a 2 point lead into a 5 point deficit going into the 4th quarter. Roy turned the ball over 3 times on the Blazers last 4 possessions of the 3rd quarter.

Miller played the entire 4th quarter. With Miller bringing the ball up, the Blazers cut down on the TOVs (they had 3 in the quarter, one by Rudy, one by Batum and one by Roy - none in the last 7 minutes of the game) outscored the Spurs 33-20 and won going away.

BNM

 

[Shooter]

The team is 10-7 since his return . . . He may not be helping the team much, but it seems like a stretch to say he is hurting the team.

Our record was pretty good before Brandon returned. 10-7 is not earth-shattering. I've also noticed, as someone else pointed out, that we seem to be a little more stagnant offensively when Roy is on the court. And of course, Aldridge is really not the beast he was before Roy came back, though I will agree that Wallace's presence has something to do with that. I'm personally hoping that Roy can start making a bigger contribution.

"You never thought" you'd say this? Are you kidding? You've built up one strawman after another since Brandon broke your heart by not standing with the team during the national anthem.

This is hysterical. You must have missed the post where I said Roy looked good in his first game back . . .

http://sportstwo.com/threads/179872-Nate-getting-ready-to-start-Roy-in?p=2551766#post2551766

and the one where I said he looked like his old self in the fourth quarter . . .

http://sportstwo.com/threads/181119-Is-Roy-back/page2

and the one where I said his return would help us make some noise in the playoffs . . .

http://sportstwo.com/threads/178888-DO-NOT-TRADE-ANDRE-MILLER!!!!!!!!?p=2537364#post2537364

I love Brandon Roy, and I'm really disappointed that he's been hit with bad knees. You have taken one statement I made a long time ago and hung onto it like a dog with a bone, burying it in your "backyard" of Blazer memories and digging it up every once in awhile to knaw on it and drool over it. I guess it's fun for you, but it makes no sense to anyone else.

 

[BBert]

Re: defensive rebounding. Batum had 13 and Camby had 8. That's 21 of the Blazers' 39 rebounds. When those guys are hitting the boards hard, LMA doesn't. He doesn't box out great, and against fat-asses like Blair he can't get a handle on the ball. I once thought LMA could be a center, but that's not for this year; maybe over the summer he can work on his timing and instinct for rebounding.

Re: offensive rebounding. There was a lot of guard play tonight, lots of screen and pops where the guard (Miller or Roy) would drive inside. This, of course, leaves LMA way the fuck out at 20 feet and in no position to rebound. Look who got our offensive rebounds last night: slashers and guards. Camby was the only player taller than 6'7" to get an offensive rebound, and he only had one.

Re: shots/scoring. This is similar to the offensive rebounding reason: Miller and Roy didn't pass him the ball much after the pick. They took it to the rim. They were effective, too (a combined 14-22). San Antonio employed the Houston Plan against LMA (the delayed double), which the Blazers counter by passing out to the perimeter. LMA doesn't have the ball control yet to go left consistently or the pure mass blast through a double, so he passes to open shooters. He had two assists so we obviously benefited some from this plan.

LMA's fantastic run was great and needed, but he still has work to do; the Houston Plan with the delayed cross-key double hurts his drive, and wide low bodies push back too much for him to get good position. Plus, San Antonio was allowed quite a bit of pushing, shoving, grabbing, and intimidation, making those entry passes to him from the guards really ineffective and late. Smother the entry pass, smother the receiver, offer a late double in the key, and you can stop just about any post play. Pop's teams are always good defensively, from 1-12, and they showed it last night.

Touche! Game Set Match. Check Mate. He shoots. He Scores!

 

[julius]

Forget that the team won, let's go back to

A: Blaming Nate
B: Blaming Roy
C: Calling LaMarcus "soft"
D: Bitching about stupid stuff because that's what we do.

 

[LittleAlex]

it really doesn't have to be Roy directly. It might be LA's mindset. maybe he really does still view it as being Roy's team, and doesn't quite play as hard? or maybe the team doesn't feed him the ball because it's Roy's team.....I don't know the answer. I do know though, that since Roy has come back, LA's numbers have gone down, the team stands around more, and we take way more jump shots....especially against the clock

LMA's backslide also corresponds with the arrival of Wallace.

Perhaps LaMarcus has a hard time being on the same team as equally talented players?
It seems likely that his personality is such that he would defer to another player of equal caliber, at least from what little we know of his upbringing.

 

[jlprk]

Considering that 4 Spur starters didn't play, Aldridge sucked against scrubs. By several measures, he was the worst Blazer in the game.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201103280SAS.html
click on "advanced box"

If you divide efficiency points by minutes, he was by far the worst Blazer in the game.

http://espn.go.com/nba/dailyleaders/_/gameId/310328024

Since the Spurs' best player plays at Aldridge's position, and he is debatably our best player, you'd expect him to profit from their injuries the most. Instead, he profited the least. Conclusion: He didn't come to play, fired up.

 

[julius]

Maybe he doesn't HAVE to be 25-10 like he was for a while. God forbid he has a few bad games. Some of you act like he's pissing on the flag, molesting little kids and jacking off on the bible.

 

[THE HCP]

This is so funny. We lost to the Spurs for like 3 straight years and LA used to put up big #'s! Now we are winning, why do so many people care? We got the W!

 

[PapaG]

Maybe he doesn't HAVE to be 25-10 like he was for a while. God forbid he has a few bad games. Some of you act like he's pissing on the flag, molesting little kids and jacking off on the bible.

Or, even worse than those, not being on the court for the national anthem! Da Horroh! :MARIS61:

 

[BBert]

Perhaps LaMarcus does what he needs to do to help the team win basketball games?

The last time I checked, basketball was a team sport. When LaMarcus had to carry the team on his back, and play like an All Star, LaMarcus carried the team on his back and played like an All Star.

When the team had an actual All Star (Roy V. 1.0), or has a previous All Star (G-Force Wallace), or the team has a great rebounder (a healthy Marcus Camby), and there are players on his team who can help him win games by doing what they do well, maybe LaMarcus plays basketball within a team concept?

Refresh my memory, but the Blazers won the game, right?

Aren't the Blazers something like 10-5 in the month of March, during LaMarcus' 'disappearing act?'

 

[The Sebastian Express]

The rebounding arguments against LaMarcus always amuse me. I'm sure LaMarcus could grab 8-9 rebounds in his sleep - you know, provided in his sleep Portland wasn't running a switch defensive that left him on the perimeter guarding 6'2 guards.

You act like he's being placed in these positions to get rebounds - this is not the case. Our defense, regardless of what Nate says he is trying to do, is filled with the idea of switching on the defense and leaving our big men on little guys. This happens far more often to LaMarcus than it does to Camby (or it did to Joel and Greg), and those guys are naturally superior rebounders to LMA either way. But when you're a 6'11 guy guarding a 6'2 guy, it isn't going to be in the paint - it isn't going to be in a great position to be boxing out for a rebound.

So if you want LaMarcus to grab eight to nine rebounds in his sleep, maybe you should make sure he's at least being put in the paint to box out for the majority of the game on the defensive side. You know, to grab those rebounds.. in his sleep.

 

[PapaG]

This is so funny. We lost to the Spurs for like 3 straight years and LA used to put up big #'s! Now we are winning, why do so many people care? We got the W!

So true. LMA has had some great games against Duncan the past few years. It's one of the reasons I wouldn't mind seeing the Blazers play San Antonio in the playoffs.

As an aside HCP, list where you'd rather spend your first-round road games.

San Antonio
Los Angeles
Dallas
Okie Dokie

One of them is an obvious NO, but the other three all aren't bad places for 4 days.

 

[julius]

Or, even worse than those, not being on the court for the national anthem! Da Horroh! :MARIS61:

That is surest sign he hates 'Merica!

 

[BBert]

The rebounding arguments against LaMarcus always amuse me. I'm sure LaMarcus could grab 8-9 rebounds in his sleep - you know, provided in his sleep Portland wasn't running a switch defensive that left him on the perimeter guarding 6'2 guards.

You act like he's being placed in these positions to get rebounds - this is not the case. Our defense, regardless of what Nate says he is trying to do, is filled with the idea of switching on the defense and leaving our big men on little guys. This happens far more often to LaMarcus than it does to Camby (or it did to Joel and Greg), and those guys are naturally superior rebounders to LMA either way. But when you're a 6'11 guy guarding a 6'2 guy, it isn't going to be in the paint - it isn't going to be in a great position to be boxing out for a rebound.

So if you want LaMarcus to grab eight to nine rebounds in his sleep, maybe you should make sure he's at least being put in the paint to box out for the majority of the game on the defensive side. You know, to grab those rebounds.. in his sleep.

QFT!

There is a lot of knowledge and keen observation in this thread. And a number of posts that...umm...not so much.

 

[Wheels]

The rebounding arguments against LaMarcus always amuse me. I'm sure LaMarcus could grab 8-9 rebounds in his sleep - you know, provided in his sleep Portland wasn't running a switch defensive that left him on the perimeter guarding 6'2 guards.

You act like he's being placed in these positions to get rebounds - this is not the case. Our defense, regardless of what Nate says he is trying to do, is filled with the idea of switching on the defense and leaving our big men on little guys. This happens far more often to LaMarcus than it does to Camby (or it did to Joel and Greg), and those guys are naturally superior rebounders to LMA either way. But when you're a 6'11 guy guarding a 6'2 guy, it isn't going to be in the paint - it isn't going to be in a great position to be boxing out for a rebound.

So if you want LaMarcus to grab eight to nine rebounds in his sleep, maybe you should make sure he's at least being put in the paint to box out for the majority of the game on the defensive side. You know, to grab those rebounds.. in his sleep.

well said!

 

[MickZagger]

Classic Talkhard material right here, folks.

 

[Shooter]

Let's get a few things straight. I'm glad the Blazers won. I'm glad we beat the Spurs. I'm glad to have Roy on the team. I'm glad to have Wallace on the team. I like our chances in the playoffs. I love this team. I'm a diehard Blazer fan for life. Okay?

That said, some of you are ridiculously thin-skinned. You get your panties in a knot if somebody criticizes the team or a player after a win, as if the W is the only thing that counts. Well, it's not. It also matters HOW you play, the effort you put forth, the consistency that you bring every night. All of these things are important because they help you build success over the course of a season, not just one game.

Those of us who are concerned about Aldridge's performance last night realize that Aldridge didn't seize the moment to have a big game and lead this team to an important victory in the chase for the playoffs. He didn't demonstrate the killer attitude and the strong will to win that you expect from your best player and team leader. And that's very disappointing.

I've seen a lot of theories in this thread about why Aldridge didn't do this, and why he didn't do that, and how the defense was set up to stop him, and none of it is very convincing. Aldridge is a great player, but last night he didn't bring his A game, or even his B game, against greatly inferior competition. That's just a fact.

 

[MickZagger]

I largely blame Andre Miller for not involving LMA last night. Needing a 4th quarter comeback to beat a Spurs team without Duncan, Manu, Parker, or McDyess is not a good sign for the playoffs, IMO.

Miller got a lot of praise, be he dominated the ball, the offensive motion was for shit, and he only ended up with 2 assists.

Same ol' crusade against Miller, eh?

Everytime the ball went to Aldridge last night he passed it to a teammate like a hot potatoe. Might want to rewatch that. It had nothing to do with Andre. But, continue to slight the guy who won the game for us, if thats your prerogative.

 

[MickZagger]

Let's get a few things straight. I'm glad the Blazers won. I'm glad we beat the Spurs. I'm glad to have Roy on the team. I'm glad to have Wallace on the team. I like our chances in the playoffs. I love this team. I'm a diehard Blazer fan for life. Okay?

That said, some of you are ridiculously thin-skinned. You get your panties in a knot if somebody criticizes the team or a player after a win, as if the W is the only thing that counts. Well, it's not. It also matters HOW you play, the effort you put forth, the consistency that you bring every night. All of these things are important because they help you build success over the course of a season, not just one game.

Those of us who are concerned about Aldridge's performance last night realize that Aldridge didn't seize the moment to have a big game and lead this team to an important victory in the chase for the playoffs. He didn't demonstrate the killer attitude and the strong will to win that you expect from your best player and team leader. And that's very disappointing.

I've seen a lot of theories in this thread about why Aldridge didn't do this, and why he didn't do that, and how the defense was set up to stop him, and none of it is very convincing. Aldridge is a great player, but last night he didn't bring his A game, or even his B game, against greatly inferior competition. That's just a fact.

Yet, we still won, on the 2nd night of a back-to-back on the road. Players are prone to bad games when they are rode hard all season long and their legs just aren't there. The fact that we still found a way to win despite our best player playing one of his worst games season is a good sign.

 

[KevinJBonn]

It's pretty clear he's just tired as hell. He plays more minutes more often than anyone else, constantly doing the most tiring work, and providing the most production. For the past few weeks he's been tweeting about how tired he is and apologizing to Patty and Nic for not being able to go out and do things because he slept through it.

Now an article pops up with him expressing how tired he is:

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2011/03/lamarcus_adridge_shows_signs_o.html

He just needs a nap. He's logged the 2nd most minutes in the league this year. To even begin to criticize him for not bringing his all is silly. Massive improvements in his game have clearly come at a cost, and now he has to pay it. Let's just hope he gets his beauty sleep before the playoffs.

 

[STOMP]

This is so funny. We lost to the Spurs for like 3 straight years and LA used to put up big #'s! Now we are winning, why do so many people care? We got the W!

some people actually enjoy being angry and complaining. They express the same bitterness year after year, regardless of how the season is going. I've just accepted that for some the team winning games or playing good hoops is inconsequential, as the fun for them is to bitch and argue.

STOMP

 

[MARIS61]

See Brandon Roy. Aldridge's numbers have been going down since his return. It might be LA's own attitude, or whatever, but it is happening.

As have Rudy's, Patty's, and for awhile Nic's and Wes's.

 

[illmatic99]

What a dumbass thread topic.

After Monday's game, veteran point guard Andre Miller -- who is enduring his own share of fatigue -- approached Aldridge in the postgame locker room and offered encouragement. Miller, who held the NBA's Iron Man title before missing one game this season, is all to familiar with the ebbs and flows of an NBA season and he has learned when to push himself and when to dial it back.

The message? Your teammates have your back.
"I told him just you need to relax a little bit," Miller said. "You've played a lot of minutes. It's different for a point guard because you're not getting banged on a lot. He's down there hitting all these big bodies and playing a lot of minutes. He deserved to get gassed out. So I just told him to relax a little bit and prepare himself for the playoff run. He's working so hard, carrying a big load, he deserves to get a breather and get some help from everybody."

 

[C_note]

Let's get a few things straight. I'm glad the Blazers won. I'm glad we beat the Spurs. I'm glad to have Roy on the team. I'm glad to have Wallace on the team. I like our chances in the playoffs. I love this team. I'm a diehard Blazer fan for life. Okay?

That said, some of you are ridiculously thin-skinned. You get your panties in a knot if somebody criticizes the team or a player after a win, as if the W is the only thing that counts. Well, it's not. It also matters HOW you play, the effort you put forth, the consistency that you bring every night. All of these things are important because they help you build success over the course of a season, not just one game.

Those of us who are concerned about Aldridge's performance last night realize that Aldridge didn't seize the moment to have a big game and lead this team to an important victory in the chase for the playoffs. He didn't demonstrate the killer attitude and the strong will to win that you expect from your best player and team leader. And that's very disappointing.

I've seen a lot of theories in this thread about why Aldridge didn't do this, and why he didn't do that, and how the defense was set up to stop him, and none of it is very convincing. Aldridge is a great player, but last night he didn't bring his A game, or even his B game, against greatly inferior competition. That's just a fact.

It would be awesome if you would just switch to being a Laker fan...your posts are sure right on par for it. People give you shit because your posts are ridiculous and it's obvious you don't know how to analyze basketball.

Of course, I guess its what we have to sift through in order to have other good discussions about the Blazers...

I'm just sayin', there's far too many posters like you that can only analyze stats, and when the stats back up your opinion like fools' gold, you talk shit...

 

[PapaG]

It's pretty clear he's just tired as hell. He plays more minutes more often than anyone else, constantly doing the most tiring work, and providing the most production. For the past few weeks he's been tweeting about how tired he is and apologizing to Patty and Nic for not being able to go out and do things because he slept through it.

Now an article pops up with him expressing how tired he is:

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2011/03/lamarcus_adridge_shows_signs_o.html

He just needs a nap. He's logged the 2nd most minutes in the league this year. To even begin to criticize him for not bringing his all is silly. Massive improvements in his game have clearly come at a cost, and now he has to pay it. Let's just hope he gets his beauty sleep before the playoffs.

I was told that the heavy minutes shouldn't have any effect on him. I read it by some experts on this very website!

 

[PapaG]

Same ol' crusade against Miller, eh?
Everytime the ball went to Aldridge last night he passed it to a teammate like a hot potatoe. Might want to rewatch that. It had nothing to do with Andre. But, continue to slight the guy who won the game for us, if thats your prerogative.

Just an observation. I can't remember the last time I criticized Miller outside of him not involving LMA last night. Can you? The team wouldn't win last night without Miller. Then again, had he played his normal game, it may have been a Blazer blowout.

 

[blazerboy30]

I was told that the heavy minutes shouldn't have any effect on him. I read it by some experts on this very website!

Link?

 

[PapaG]

Link?

Search it yourself. There was an entire thread about it three or four weeks ago.

Plus, I don't consider you an expert, so you probably didn't contribute to it.