Question: did Olshey promise LaMarcus not to trade him?

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you forgot kevin love, but i guess he is the same kind of player, padding stats on a lotto team, so i get the omission

Cousins is a center as well. I would almost bet anything that if Olshey offered up LA straight across for all but Davis, Griffin, Love and maybe Monroe every team would say yes before he had a chance to change him mind
 
Ha ha - yeah, forgot Love. He IS better...better shooter, rebounder, passer, etc. But yeah, no winning (yet). Also, add Bargnani...pretty similar to LMA. Alright, really gotta go!
 
Sorry guys - bad mood today, and I'm coming over from a very combative message board. I can already tell that the audience here is FAR more intelligent than what I'm used to. I'll try to keep my exclamation points in check.
But just a disclaimer - if there's one topic that'll get me going it's LMA. I think he's one of the most over-hyped players in the league. But I'll back my opinion up with data, and not just hate on him to be a hater.
Anyway - I gotta run to a meeting.
Again - apologies if I rubbed anyone the wrong way. I just really hate LMA.
Tomorrow?

Just waiting for the gay pics is all
 
Sorry guys - bad mood today, and I'm coming over from a very combative message board. I can already tell that the audience here is FAR more intelligent than what I'm used to. I'll try to keep my exclamation points in check.
But just a disclaimer - if there's one topic that'll get me going it's LMA. I think he's one of the most over-hyped players in the league. But I'll back my opinion up with data, and not just hate on him to be a hater.
Anyway - I gotta run to a meeting.
Again - apologies if I rubbed anyone the wrong way. I just really hate LMA.
Tomorrow?

Overhyped player in the league that you said we should trade for Evans AND Cousins
 
I wonder if the back problems that kept LA out of the last game are connected to his hip problems. Cuz, y'know, the hip bone's connected to the...BACK bone...

If not, then he's got a messed up back, and that's NOT good.
 
In no particular order here are PFs who are better, or about as good as LMA:
Dirk
Pau
Randolph
Duncan
Griffin
West
Lee
Millsap
Cousins
Boozer
Bosh
Ibaka
Amare (if he ever plays again)
Josh Smith
Garnett
Scola

I may have forgotten a few names too. And what happens when these rookies and sophomores develop and they get added to the list? Heck, add Hickson to the list - he's a better PF than LMA!

I'm not saying all of these guys are hands-down better - but I also can't say that LMA is better than all of these guys, either. I contend that all of these guys would be able to put up the same or better stats as LMA, if the entire offense was run through them for a season. LMA's game doesn't do anything that makes other players around him better - he doesn't do anything that leads to winning. He pads out his stats while losing all the way to the lotto - that's all he's got going for him. That, in my book, is not good. I can probably agree that he's a top 20 PF, but I most certainly can't say he's ever been a top 20 player.

No offense but it really seems like your just hating here. Everything you said about LMA can be more easily attributed to love.

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He's essentially taking as many long 2-pointers as the rest of the team COMBINED: http://www.hoopdata.com/shotstats.aspx?team=POR&type=pg&posi=%&yr=2013&gp2=0&mins=0

I found that hard to believe, so I added the column numbers on your site.

Range...Aldridge FGA / Blazers FGA = % of team's FGA which are Aldridge's

3-9...1.4 / 6.2 = 23%
10-15...2.7 / 6.3 = 43%
16-23...10 / 13.4 = 75%
Total of above:
3-23...14.1 / 25.9 = 54%

Aldridge takes 54% of all Blazer shots which are between 3 feet to the 3-point line.

Conclusion: You understated it. Aldridge takes more of ANY jumpers than the rest of the team, except for 3-point shots. If you see a Blazer shooting a field goal, and it's neither a layup nor a 3, there's a 54% chance it's Aldridge.
 
What the hell is all this LA hate coming from?

if a Portland isn't winning all it's games, then some of the "fans" turn to trade possibilities involving the best/longest tenured player. It doesn't matter how often these fans have been shown that the grass on the other side of the fence isn't necessarily greener, change is whats alluring... same song and dance every year

LA is off to a slowish start, but as you noted he is working his way back from offseason surgery and through an injury to the wrist of his shooting hand. He's just entering the prime of his career and (when healthy/right) is one of the top players in the league. They've him wrapped up in a very reasonable contract for 2 seasons after this... pretty sure he's going to be staying put despite the usual suspects and their various trade machine efforts

STOMP
 
No offense but it really seems like your just hating here. Everything you said about LMA can be more easily attributed to love.
I wont deny it - I hate LMA (as a player). I always have - this isn't a recent "hate the longest-tenured player because we're losing" thing like STOMP suggested. I went into this season expecting us to lose, and lose A LOT - we're actually winning far more than I thought we would. I've got no problem with us losing A LOT of games over the next two seasons. I just have a problem building around a player like LMA.
I simply don't see anything that LMA does exceedingly well. He's a horrible rebounder - you can't attribute that to Love. He's a horrible passer - can't contribute that to Love, either. He sets terrible picks, and doesn't understand how to roll. He has next to zero ability to face up, put down one or two strong dribbles and get to the hoop. He's a slightly-above-average post-defender - better than Love. But he's one of the worst team-defenders I've ever seen - equal to Love, at best...at least Love will crash the boards which is part of team-defense. He is uncoordinated, can't maintain low-post position, has poor hands when it comes to catching anything but the easiest of entry passes, and absolutely can't maintain upright body position with the ball above his head through the slightest contact when attempting a lay-up/dunk.

His supposed strength is his jump shot - but he continually ranks as roughly the 15th best jump shooting PF. Given that there are 30 teams, I'd say he's an average jump shooting PF.

Add to all of this his inability to "rise to the occasion" and I see a player who just doesn't match his reputation. He can put up a lot of points...on a lot of shots...generally in a losing effort. He's very similar to Bosh, but Bosh has better skills (rebounding, passing, dribbling...and shooting). I've never liked Bosh either, but now that he's the 3rd banana and actually embracing his role I'm beginning to like him (if only he'd stop flexing/yelling like he's "the man"). Maybe I'm a traditionalist, but the PF position is suppose to be a player who protects the hoop, rebounds, sets the picks, and gets their points off of hard play, put-backs, and high percentage shots, stretching out to 15' occasionally to help space the floor. LMA just doesn't offer anything other than scoring. I think we'd be better off with a "work horse" PF (Hickson?) who maybe only average 14-16ppg, but who rebounds, plays defense and sets good picks to help the rest of the team score more efficiently. I think Haslem was a far better PF during the Shaq/Wade championship than LMA will ever be.
 
STRONG CO-SIGN.

If I weren't a rec Scrooge, you'd be the luckiest person on Earth right now.
 
has anyone ever seen jlprk and blue9 in the same place at the same time?

I swear, blue, that if you start saying things like "Whitsitt's the Man"....
 
Hey Blue, what do you think of the moralist Oregonian forcing the team to trade Sheed becuse it hates loud angry black men like Muhammad Ali used to be?
 
In no particular order here are PFs who are better, or about as good as LMA:
Dirk
Pau
Randolph
Duncan
Griffin
West
Lee
Millsap
Cousins
Boozer
Bosh
Ibaka
Amare (if he ever plays again)
Josh Smith
Garnett
Scola


Scola was amnestied and got a very small claim. No way LA would have been bid that low.
If it were LA on the Knicks, no one would be crying about his contract.
Boozer is likely to me amnestied this offseason.
As a Pacer fan I would take LA over an aging West

You only listed 16 and I can keep going.

I saw the same thing with Rasheed. Instead of being thankful for what a player is, fans cry about what they are not.
 
Hey Blue, what do you think of the moralist Oregonian forcing the team to trade Sheed becuse it hates loud angry black men like Muhammad Ali used to be?
Oh man, don't get me started on that - it's lunchtime and I'm hungry! But yes, I fully blame the Oregonian for swaying public opinion on Sheed. All the team needed to do was embrace him early on the way DET did and they could have brought the fan base around to seeing the value in a guy like Sheed and built an identity around the idea of tough-guy basketball. Instead they were weak puritanical pansies and bought into the demonization of Sheed. Sometimes I laugh at the idea of Portland/Oregon being this bastion of liberalness.
 
Scola was amnestied and got a very small claim. No way LA would have been bid that low.
If it were LA on the Knicks, no one would be crying about his contract.
Boozer is likely to me amnestied this offseason.
As a Pacer fan I would take LA over an aging West

You only listed 16 and I can keep going.

I saw the same thing with Rasheed. Instead of being thankful for what a player is, fans cry about what they are not.
You're confusing value with skill. I never said all of those guys have equal value. I certainly wouldn't want Scola, Garnett, Amare, West, Pau, etc instead of LMA - but they ARE equal to (or near enough) or better than LMA.
 
He's not. He's generally in single-coverage or left wide open at the top. He's taking the VAST majority of his shots from 18' out. And teams generally leave him wide open to take that shot because they know the Blazers won't win with LMA shooting jumpers.
As you'll see here LMA is taking far and away (10 per game) the most long jumpers on the team. He's essentially taking as many long 2-pointers as the rest of the team COMBINED: http://www.hoopdata.com/shotstats.aspx?team=POR&type=pg&posi=%&yr=2013&gp2=0&mins=0
Last year he was getting double-teamed quite a lot. However, I argue that he only "commanded" a double-team because the opponent could get away doubling him without worrying about any consequences. LMA doesn't actually "command" a double-team, it was just a sound defensive strategy because (a) LMA is easily frustrated by a double-team, (b) is incapable of making a pass to someone cutting down the lane, and (c) there wasn't anyone else on the team worth doubling. But nobody is doubling LMA anymore.

Good info. I think a huge reason for LMA taking almost twice as many long non-3's is Terry Stotts. Look at the numbers for Dirk historically. Also look at LMA's numbers historically as they have almost doubled his other seasons. He is trying to do the same thing with LMA as he did with Dirk, just with someone that shoots at a 10% lower success rate.

The point that LMA is 80% likely to shoot the ball for the team if it is not a layup or 3 says alot about the lack of mid range game for any of our players.
 
Yeah, while I'm thankful that Stotts is coaching instead of McMillan, the one thing that really made me cringe was when he talked about using LMA like he used Dirk. You just can't do that - other than being very tall and having a proclivity for taking jump shots they have nothing in common. Dirk is one of the best shooting bigs to ever play the game - despite the fact that everyone SAYS that LMA is a terrific shooting big, he just isn't...he's certainly nowhere near the ability of Dirk. LMA's career best percentage from his "sweet" spot is 43% - Dirk's career WORST from that range is 46% (topping out at 52%)! And something that probably helps Dirk's jumper is his ability to put the ball on the floor if you try to play up on him. That and his ability to hit a cutter with an on-target pass.

I think Olshey needs to trade LMA just so that Stotts doesn't continue trying to hammer a square peg into a round hole.
 
Yeah, while I'm thankful that Stotts is coaching instead of McMillan, the one thing that really made me cringe was when he talked about using LMA like he used Dirk. You just can't do that - other than being very tall and having a proclivity for taking jump shots they have nothing in common. Dirk is one of the best shooting bigs to ever play the game - despite the fact that everyone SAYS that LMA is a terrific shooting big, he just isn't...he's certainly nowhere near the ability of Dirk. LMA's career best percentage from his "sweet" spot is 43% - Dirk's career WORST from that range is 46% (topping out at 52%)! And something that probably helps Dirk's jumper is his ability to put the ball on the floor if you try to play up on him. That and his ability to hit a cutter with an on-target pass.

I think Olshey needs to trade LMA just so that Stotts doesn't continue trying to hammer a square peg into a round hole.

As much as I disagree with you about lma I completely agree that using him like he is being used is a bad idea and if we dont change how we use him then trading him is something that needs to be strongly considered

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I would be interested to see how efficient the Blazers are at rebounding the long LMA shots as well as getting back on defense. Anyone have a good site for.that info?
 
Food for thought:

LMA shot the ball from greater than 15 ft 12 times last night. One of those was an end of quarter heave and should be thrown out IMO.
The three times he hit, the shot clock was at 12, 13, and 17. The eight he missed were far later at 16, 20, 22, 21, 15, 24, 17, and 23.
Two of the eight misses we were able to get the offensive board. Of the six misses, all allowed the defense time to set and no quick baskets for the Pistons.
 
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vs Minn

2 shots made vs 5 shots missed from greater than 15 ft
No offensive boards Three times the defense got set, two resulted in scoring opportunities within 9 sec for T Wolves

vs Pho

2 for 11 from greater than 15 ft three of which resulted in offensive rebounds
Shot clock was at 8, 11, 11, 15, 15, 16, 18, 18, 19, 23 and 24
Defense was able twice to get set, once because of a foul.
Phoenix ran down at 6, 8, and 8 seconds to shoot a three and hit. They ran once more, shooting at 7 seconds and missing.

vs Chicago
3 of 8 from greater than 15 ft
Shot clock at 11, 12, 13, 14, 16, 19, 23, and 24
one offensive rebound vs four defensive with no fast breaks
 
Thought there might be some method to Stotts madness of having LMA shoot 10 times a game from distance by accepting a lower FG percentage for an increased offensive rebounding rate or less fast breaks. However, the numbers above fall in line with most of the studies I could find.

http://courtvisionanalytics.com/where-do-rebounds-go/

The mid range jump shot is the least efficient scoring method, is less likely to result in an offensive rebound, and we are shooting them with LMA at a close to average percentage.
 
Wow. Thanks. Nowadays we have more advanced statistics, but your analysis is a glimpse of how much improvement is yet to come. Imagine if player PER included that stuff. Imagine if PER were tracked for each head coach, quantifying his system.
 
Wow. Thanks. Nowadays we have more advanced statistics, but your analysis is a glimpse of how much improvement is yet to come. Imagine if player PER included that stuff. Imagine if PER were tracked for each head coach, quantifying his system.

McScribbles might've been fired in 2007.
 
Yeah, while I'm thankful that Stotts is coaching instead of McMillan, the one thing that really made me cringe was when he talked about using LMA like he used Dirk. You just can't do that - other than being very tall and having a proclivity for taking jump shots they have nothing in common. Dirk is one of the best shooting bigs to ever play the game - despite the fact that everyone SAYS that LMA is a terrific shooting big, he just isn't...he's certainly nowhere near the ability of Dirk. LMA's career best percentage from his "sweet" spot is 43% - Dirk's career WORST from that range is 46% (topping out at 52%)! And something that probably helps Dirk's jumper is his ability to put the ball on the floor if you try to play up on him. That and his ability to hit a cutter with an on-target pass.

I think Olshey needs to trade LMA just so that Stotts doesn't continue trying to hammer a square peg into a round hole.

Hey, Blue. It's nice to see you made it to S2. I agree with you about LA. He prefers to be a jump shooting PF with the most inefficient shot out there.

Heck, I would take his attempts and transfer them to Damian, Batum, and Matthews in that order. Their Effective Field Goal Percentage (eFG%) and True Shooting Percentage (TS%) are higher than LA.

Refer to the following link for the stats:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/POR/2013.html

The team should look at decreasing LA's shot attempts per game and ask him to increase his hustle/intensity on the defensive end. If they aren't going to trade him, then they should at least use one of the tallest players with an incredible long wing span to play defense and grab boards.
 

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