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Jade Falcon said:
From CNN? And from a FORMER government employee, who just happens to work for CNN now?

I'm sure Richard Petty has opinions about how current NASCAR racing is run. Doesn't make him right though.
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If somebody started doing donuts in pit row, in the middle of a race, you wouldn't need to be a former race car driver to know that something strange was going on.

If Trump can produce evidence that Obama orchestrated some vast conspiracy to wiretap his phones without a FISA warrant, then I'm all ears, but until that point, his accusations look a lot more like a smoke screen meant to distract people that might be looking into his campaign staff's connections to Russian officials.
 
Nikolokolus said:
If Trump can produce evidence that Obama orchestrated some vast conspiracy to wiretap his phones without a FISA warrant, then I'm all ears, but until that point, his accusations look a lot more like a smoke screen meant to distract people that might be looking into his campaign staff's connections to Russian officials.
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Nikolokolus said:
If somebody started doing donuts in pit row, in the middle of a race, you wouldn't need to be a former race car driver to know that something strange was going on.

If Trump can produce evidence that Obama orchestrated some vast conspiracy to wiretap his phones without a FISA warrant, then I'm all ears, but until that point, his accusations look a lot more like a smoke screen meant to distract people that might be looking into his campaign staff's connections to Russian officials.
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You mean SESSIONS? The guy who was doing his job BEFORE Trump was even elected?

That is what you're so concerned about?

In the interview, Sessions detailed his two encounters last year with Kislyak, one of which happened during the Republican Convention in Cleveland this past July.

"I spoke at the Republican convention at a conference with some 50 ambassadors," Sessions recalled. "After I spoke, I walked down from the podium and mingled with a number of people and we met at that occasion and had a chat, and I left shortly thereafter."

Sessions said the other, more involved discussion with Kislyak took place Sept. 8 in his office and was one of several meetings he took with foreign ambassadors as a senior member of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

"We talked about a number of issues. One of them was the Ukraine and we had a disagreement over that," the attorney general said. "The Ukrainian ambassador had been into my office for a meeting the day before, and so we had a little disagreement over the Ukrainian issue. So we had a number of discussions like that."

Sessions said the meeting with Kislyak in his office was witnessed by two of his senior staffers, whom he described as "non-political."
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/02/sessions-meeting-with-russian-envoy-hyped-beyond-reason-criticism-unfair.html

THAT is what Democrats have their panties in a wad about. He didn't fly to Russia to give away state secrets or buy support. which is the rhetoric that the media is pushing, as well as many Democrats. He met with 50 envoys from various countries at a convention, and then met with the Ukrainian ambassador in his office while he was a member of the SASC to discuss the problems in Ukraine. That's it.
 
Jade Falcon said:
You mean SESSIONS? The guy who was doing his job BEFORE Trump was even elected?

That is what you're so concerned about?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...voy-hyped-beyond-reason-criticism-unfair.html
THAT is what Democrats have their panties in a wad about. He didn't fly to Russia to give away state secrets or buy support. which is the rhetoric that the media is pushing, as well as many Democrats. He met with 50 envoys from various countries at a convention, and then met with the Ukrainian ambassador in his office while he was a member of the SASC to discuss the problems in Ukraine. That's it.
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Sessions maybe, maybe not, but we already have a National Security Advisor who resigned less than a month on the job in Flynn over improper contact with Russian officials, then there's Carter Page weird dissembling interviews and Paul Manafort's connections to Viktor Yanukovych (a Putin stooge).

I'm not saying anything nefarious went on, but I do think there's enough questions about these connections and the timing of the DNC hacks to be investigated and FWIW I'm not a Democrat, nor am I a Republican -- a pox on both their houses.
 
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Stevenson said:
"When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with them. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists."
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The people that are being sent by Mexico are the criminals. The people that are coming here of their own free will are almost exclusively desperate, hard-working people looking for a better life.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Sessions maybe, maybe not, but we already have a National Security Advisor who resigned less than a month on the job in Flynn over improper contact with Russian officials, then there's Carter Page weird dissembling interviews and Paul Manafort's connections to Viktor Yanukovych (a Putin stooge).

I'm not saying anything nefarious went on, but I do think there's enough questions about these connections and the timing of the DNC hacks to be investigated and FWIW I'm not a democrat, nor am I a Republican -- a pox on both their houses.
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Fair enough.

BlazerWookee said:
The people that are being sent by Mexico are the criminals. The people that are coming here of their own free will are almost exclusively desperate, hard-working people looking for a better life.
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True. So what Trump said wasn't untrue. But, of course the media has an agenda.....so "RACISTS!"
 
Jade Falcon said:
Fair enough.



True. So what Trump said wasn't untrue. But, of course the media has an agenda.....so "RACISTS!"
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The media (on both sides of the spectrum) is doing what they always do: Blur the context so quotes fit their desired narrative.
 
BlazerWookee said:
The media (on both sides of the spectrum) is doing what they always do: Blur the context so quotes fit their desired narrative.
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Very true. It's why I don't watch ANY msm news anymore. Unless there's a natural disaster/weather phenomena that concerns me, or unless there's a national crisis, then I get my news from whatever online article interests me.
 
BlazerWookee said:
The people that are being sent by Mexico are the criminals. The people that are coming here of their own free will are almost exclusively desperate, hard-working people looking for a better life.
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biggest lie from the Trump camp ever.....most undocumented Hispanics are not even Mexican...Mexico used to cooperate by stopping Central and South Americans at their southern border....most refugees coming here are escaping civil war or cartel wars in their homeland...and not Mexican at all...Columbians, El Salvadorians, Guatemalans, Hondurans, Nicaraguans, etc.....since the Trump wall Mexico now says they will no longer worry about transients from Central and South America at the borders and let the US border deal with all of them from here on.......Trumps idiotic plan....backfired
 
riverman said:
biggest lie from the Trump camp ever.....most undocumented Hispanics are not even Mexican...Mexico used to cooperate by stopping Central and South Americans at their southern border....most refugees coming here are escaping civil war or cartel wars in their homeland...and not Mexican at all...Columbians, El Salvadorians, Guatemalans, Hondurans, Nicaraguans, etc.....since the Trump wall Mexico now says they will no longer worry about transients from Central and South America at the borders and let the US border deal with all of them from here on.......Trumps idiotic plan....backfired
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Bullshit. Mexico has actively dumped their own criminals at the border so they can blend into the flow of illegals into the US for decades. They have been actively assisting Central and South Americans to pass through their country to ours for decades.
 
BlazerWookee said:
Bullshit. Mexico has actively dumped their own criminals at the border so they can blend into the flow of illegals into the US for decades. They have been actively assisting Central and South Americans to pass through their country to ours for decades.
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This is absolutely not true...largest number of illegal Hispanics to make it across the border have been non Mexicans...we brought their criminals stateside...el Chapo...Noreiga...don't confuse the Mexican govt with cartels...most people smuggling truck drivers are actually americans.
 
riverman said:
This is absolutely not true...largest number of illegal Hispanics to make it across the border have been non Mexicans...we brought their criminals stateside...el Chapo...Noreiga...don't confuse the Mexican govt with cartels...most people smuggling truck drivers are actually americans.
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This is absolutely true. The Mexican government regularly empties their jails of criminals and vagrants into the desert just south of the border. And they offer aid, assistance, and sometimes even border-to-border transportation to non-Mexicans.

Guys like El Chapo and Noriega are irrelevant to the discussion, they're far too high-profile to be released for emigration.
 
BlazerWookee said:
This is absolutely true. The Mexican government regularly empties their jails of criminals and vagrants into the desert just south of the border. And they offer aid, assistance, and sometimes even border-to-border transportation to non-Mexicans.

Guys like El Chapo and Noriega are irrelevant to the discussion, they're far too high-profile to be released for emigration.
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Please give me some research I can read. I searched but found nothing but a lot of anecdotal stories and so-called "news" articles, from questionable outlets.
 
riverman said:
biggest lie from the Trump camp ever.....most undocumented Hispanics are not even Mexican...Mexico used to cooperate by stopping Central and South Americans at their southern border....most refugees coming here are escaping civil war or cartel wars in their homeland...and not Mexican at all...Columbians, El Salvadorians, Guatemalans, Hondurans, Nicaraguans, etc.....since the Trump wall Mexico now says they will no longer worry about transients from Central and South America at the borders and let the US border deal with all of them from here on.......Trumps idiotic plan....backfired
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Nope, mostly Mexicans:
In 2014, more than 11.7 million Mexican immigrants resided in the United States, accounting for 28 percent of the 42.4 million foreign-born population—by far the largest immigrant origin group in the country.Mar 17, 2016
Mexican Immigrants in the United States | migrationpolicy.org
www.migrationpolicy.org/article/mexican-immigrants-united-states

To prove how truly worthless these people are to ANY country, their own government has made videos instructing them how to "never come home" to Mexico. They are not wanted back by Mexico, ever! Good Riddance!

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/03/...dations-illegal-immigrants-facing-deportation

"Backfiring" is when the dead bodies of illegal immigrants you allow into Mexico start piling up on the Mexico side of the wall. Then the survivors cause the collapse of your already inadequate social services. Trump's wall will of course accomplish everything he promised, and Mexico will go from a struggling third world country to a failed state possibly requiring intervention and occupation by our military.
 
MARIS61 said:
Nope, mostly Mexicans:
In 2014, more than 11.7 million Mexican immigrants resided in the United States, accounting for 28 percent of the 42.4 million foreign-born population—by far the largest immigrant origin group in the country.Mar 17, 2016
Mexican Immigrants in the United States | migrationpolicy.org
www.migrationpolicy.org/article/mexican-immigrants-united-states

To prove how truly worthless these people are to ANY country, their own government has made videos instructing them how to "never come home" to Mexico. They are not wanted back by Mexico, ever! Good Riddance!

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/03/...dations-illegal-immigrants-facing-deportation

"Backfiring" is when the dead bodies of illegal immigrants you allow into Mexico start piling up on the Mexico side of the wall. Then the survivors cause the collapse of your already inadequate social services. Trump's wall will of course accomplish everything he promised, and Mexico will go from a struggling third world country to a failed state possibly requiring intervention and occupation by our military.
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you have fake news
For the first time since detailed records began being kept in 1992, undocumented immigrants from Mexico made up less than half of those apprehended by U.S. Customs and Border Protection.
More Central Americans were caught crossing into the United States illegally than Mexicans, according to statistics released Friday by the Department of Homeland Security.
While Mexicans made up the single largest nationality apprehended by CBP, the combined number of Hondurans, El Salvadorans and Guatemalans apprehended was even larger.
 
riverman said:
you have fake news
For the first time since detailed records began being kept in 1992, undocumented immigrants from Mexico made up less than half of those apprehended by U.S. Customs and Border Protection.
More Central Americans were caught crossing into the United States illegally than Mexicans, according to statistics released Friday by the Department of Homeland Security.
While Mexicans made up the single largest nationality apprehended by CBP, the combined number of Hondurans, El Salvadorans and Guatemalans apprehended was even larger.
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Wrong.

The figures you cite only account for the stupidest illegals, the ones we caught. While not smart or industrious enough as a people to create and run a legitimate country that functions in a safe and productive manner, Mexicans have had decades of practice and unlimited second chances to learn how to sneak into America for handouts. We only catch a small percentage of them compared to their less talented counterparts to the south.
 
MARIS61 said:
Wrong.

The figures you cite only account for the stupidest illegals, the ones we caught. While not smart or industrious enough as a people to create and run a legitimate country that functions in a safe and productive manner, Mexicans have had decades of practice and unlimited second chances to learn how to sneak into America for handouts. We only catch a small percentage of them compared to their less talented counterparts to the south.
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there are multiple sources that completely disagree with your take...I disagree...I don't call people I don't know stupid.....2 year old refugees with moms running away from a village slaughter in Nicaraugua aren't supposed to be El Chapo......and even more importantly, let's address how easily and unimpeded our criminals have run away to Mexico to excape the law at home? For a couple centuries actually...but hey...I guess our bad guys are ok down there
 
MARIS61 said:
http://www.hindustantimes.com/world...-manzanillo/story-Tr3g7mdxbI3dFGtKZeJgBJ.html
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Most of the cartel heads have recently been imprisoned down there...now there's chaos as the next warlords try to replace them....they have lost a lot of their former power and Mexico has made a lot of progress...I have nothing but support for their efforts. Don't know why you hold the Mexican govt in such contempt but I think it may cloud your judgement over the circumstances
 
riverman said:
Most of the cartel heads have recently been imprisoned down there...now there's chaos as the next warlords try to replace them....they have lost a lot of their former power and Mexico has made a lot of progress...I have nothing but support for their efforts. Don't know why you hold the Mexican govt in such contempt but I think it may cloud your judgement over the circumstances
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Well.........I guess when someone grows up in Lake NoNegro the clouds obscure a lot of the world's ugly realities.....
 
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