Politics Rand Paul denies vote for 9/11 compensation fund

[jonnyboy]

It's the thread you misunderstood.

I said the thread title was presented as fact. It is. I’m sorry you can’t wrap your head around that and continue to invent minor nuances that are of no consequence.

 

[MarAzul]

the rich and big corporations

You do know, it was exactly those same corporations that occupied the WTC whom the fireman went to rescue. NY Stock Exchange, Bank of America, Bank of Korea, Bank of Twain....
It does seem these corporations are the ones behold to the fireman, morally as the beneficiaries of their heroic efforts. I see no good in US tax payers relieving them of the moral
financial burden.

 

[crandc]

Rand Paul also had no problem with the money for Trump's vanity parade.

Every Trump golf trip costs taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars that go directly into Trump's pocket. He stays at golf courses and resorts he owns. Generally, hotels charge Secret Service and other members of a president's entourage reduced rates, thinking it patriotic duty, but at Trump property they pay full rates. All the people who have to travel with a president pay full rates for rooms, meals, golf courses, etc. Millions to date, from we taxpayers directly to the Trump family. Rand Paul never asked for offset.

Fucking hypocrite.

 

[MarAzul]

Federal funds were used to build the Freedom Tower.

If federal funds were used in building what replaced the WTC then federal funds can be used to help the 1st responders and other volunteers.

Of course they can. But the question is why? Thank goodness Rand Paul will ask the right question. I have to wonder why so many Portlanders want to barrow more money for this
when it is obvious to me that the Corporations rescued by the City of New York employees should make them whole for injuries incurred during their heroic effort.

The efforts of these fireman saved many people working for those cooperation, enabling them to make profits for 18 years now since, while many of the fireman performed their last deed. This is where the money is to do good deeds.

 

[MarAzul]

Rand Paul also had no problem with the money for Trump's vanity parade.

Every Trump golf trip costs taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars that go directly into Trump's pocket. He stays at golf courses and resorts he owns. Generally, hotels charge Secret Service and other members of a president's entourage reduced rates, thinking it patriotic duty, but at Trump property they pay full rates. All the people who have to travel with a president pay full rates for rooms, meals, golf courses, etc. Millions to date, from we taxpayers directly to the Trump family. Rand Paul never asked for offset.

Fucking hypocrite.

You know, my lady, I would like to suggest you rephrase this comment. It does seem pretty mindless as it stands.

 

[barfo]

Assume that if a tsunami ever hits Bandon, you would be totally against any sort of disaster aid?

barfo

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Assume that if a tsunami ever hits Bandon, you would be totally against any sort of disaster aid?

barfo

No, he just wants the golf courses to pay for it. They're the big financial institutions of Bandon.

And the Bandon cheese factory.

 

[stampedehero]

Although Rand may not vote for their compensation, other politicians certainly would. His decision is going to be fatal as 9/11 is sacred and the first responders deserve funding.

 

[MarAzul]

Assume that if a tsunami ever hits Bandon, you would be totally against any sort of disaster aid?

barfo

I don't think I will count on it. I can not recall Federal disaster funds ever coming to Oregon. Even when the Typhoon hit us with, I think the strongest wind ever to hit the country
hit us in 1962, nothing. 170 Mph winds recorded at Mt Hebo. They pay out billions from winds half that on the East and Gulf coast but never to Oregon residents. We were hit in 1995 with another, winds here at my place of 158 mph. Nothing. I can't recall a hurricane anywhere that strong since, but billions were paid out on the Gulf and East coast.

Now, least you get the wrong take here, I agree with your comment. We should be prepared on our own, as should everyone else. I see no damn reason at all to help out people that built in a flood plain, or where storm surge will get you. Continuing to maintain a hole in a river is even more stupid. No, I do not think this is the correct use of Federal funds.

 

[MarAzul]

No, he just wants the golf courses to pay for it. They're the big financial institutions of Bandon.

And the Bandon cheese factory.

Weird take Sly. I did nothing for the Golf course or the Cheese factory. I might buy the cheese someday if it ever gets old enough to have Extra Sharpe Cheese.

 

[calvin natt]

If a tsunami ever hit a bunch of fetuses, now then you’d have their attention.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Weird take Sly. I did nothing for the Golf course or the Cheese factory. I might buy the cheese someday if it ever gets old enough to have Extra Sharpe Cheese.

You've never bought Bandon cheese?!?

Oops, too late now. Bandon cheese is now made in Wisconsin.

There is Facerock creamery.

https://facerockcreamery.com/

 

[MarAzul]

You've never bought Bandon cheese?!?

Oops, too late now. Bandon cheese is now made in Wisconsin.

There is Facerock creamery.

https://facerockcreamery.com/

Waiting for Facerock to age.

 

[barfo]

I can not recall Federal disaster funds ever coming to Oregon.

Here's a link to refresh your memory, then.

barfo

 

[Further]

Put a civil tongue in your post!
First of all a cut some where is the correct thing to do for another expenditure some where else when attempting to control US spending.

Secondly I did serve my Country, the USA. These guys work for the City of New York, I do believe. The services providers for the largest business in this country head quartered in NYC. If they can't cover their bills then they need more money from their clients I should think. Having the US tax payer back them up on shortfalls is bullshit.
That is Capitalism for risk, but not for profits. Total bullshit.

Sorry about the insult. It was deleted along with the rest of the post. So I will post again without the insult.

You frequently complain about healthcare owed to you for your service, yet your support for these jackass politicians instead of standing up for others who have also admirably served their country. That seems hypocritical.

I believe you have earned quality healthcare and so have all the 9/11 responders.

 

[MarAzul]

Sorry about the insult. It was deleted along with the rest of the post. So I will post again without the insult.

You frequently complain about healthcare owed to you for your service, yet your support for these jackass politicians instead of standing up for others who have also admirably served their country. That seems hypocritical.

I believe you have earned quality healthcare and so have all the 9/11 responders.

I believe you have earned quality healthcare and so have all the 9/11 responders.

Trouble is, Obama as a specific part of his plan to give healthcare to others, undue mine and millions of other retirees from their already earned coverage. This was a specific action explained by Zeke Emanuel way before they implemented the plan. We were to be a bone thrown to the insurance companies to entice them to insure people with preconditions.
By making it legal to not insure us as per our employment agreement, they could avoid the tax the government would impose if they continued to insure us. Thus a whole new market for the insurance companies.
Despicable and deceptive shit. And none of you good people objected!

I do not begrudge the Firemen their money, but I sure has hell think it is about to come out of the wrong pockets.

 

[MarAzul]

Sorry about the insult. It was deleted along with the rest of the post. So I will post again without the insult.

You frequently complain about healthcare owed to you for your service, yet your support for these jackass politicians instead of standing up for others who have also admirably served their country. That seems hypocritical.

I believe you have earned quality healthcare and so have all the 9/11 responders.

Trouble is, Obama as a specific part of his plan to give healthcare to others, undue mine and millions of other retirees from their already earned coverage. This was a specific action explained by Zeke Emanuel way before they implemented the plan. We were to be a bone thrown to the insurance companies to entice them to insure people with preconditions.
By making it legal to not insure us as per our employment agreement, they could avoid the tax the government would impose if they continued to insure us. Thus a whole new market for the insurance companies.
Despicable and deceptive shit. And none of you good people objected!

Since you failed to respond, thank you for the civil tongue. And let me ask you directly about Obama forcing retirees to lose their coverage.
Do you think it was ok since it was mostly Republicans that were affected?
I think the study I saw in Anaheim last year showed the retirees affected were about 26 percent Democrats and over 70% Republicans.
Is this why hardly anyone objected except those affected?

 

[Further]

Since you failed to respond, thank you for the civil tongue. And let me ask you directly about Obama forcing retirees to lose their coverage.
Do you think it was ok since it was mostly Republicans that were affected?
I think the study I saw in Anaheim last year showed the retirees affected were about 26 percent Democrats and over 70% Republicans.
Is this why hardly anyone objected except those affected?

I think it sucks you lost coverage. I also think it was wonderful that more people gained healthcare than lost it, regardless of party. Even more important, it was the first step towards moving our populous towards believing healthcare is a right for all Americans. This will be a central issue over the next decade. Step 1 was Obamacare. Step two will be some bridge medicare for all type system. Step 3 will be universal healthcare. Republicans and Democrats alike, not to mention Libertarians, Anarchists and apolitical Americans will all have robust healthcare within the decade. Thanks Obama.

 

[CupWizier]

I think it sucks you lost coverage. I also think it was wonderful that more people gained healthcare than lost it, regardless of party. Even more important, it was the first step towards moving our populous towards believing healthcare is a right for all Americans. This will be a central issue over the next decade. Step 1 was Obamacare. Step two will be some bridge medicare for all type system. Step 3 will be universal healthcare. Republicans and Democrats alike, not to mention Libertarians, Anarchists and apolitical Americans will all have robust healthcare within the decade. Thanks Obama.

He hasn't lost coverage due to anything but himself as he should have healthcare through the vets as well as medicare. marzy likes to sensationalize and stretch things to fit his needs.

 

[CupWizier]

Since you failed to respond, thank you for the civil tongue. And let me ask you directly about Obama forcing retirees to lose their coverage.
Do you think it was ok since it was mostly Republicans that were affected?
I think the study I saw in Anaheim last year showed the retirees affected were about 26 percent Democrats and over 70% Republicans.
Is this why hardly anyone objected except those affected?

Show us something to back up your trumpish facts.

 

[MarAzul]

I also think it was wonderful that more people gained healthcare than lost it

I don't think you know that at all, since no one kept count. We don't even know how many corporations stopped providing healthcare for their retirees. No stats were kept.
We do know it was in the millions but how many millions. Hell one company I know of accounts for nearly a million employees and dependents. In my case, my wife lost
her coverage from the company from which I retired. I had already seen the message in the wind with Obama's election. I read the work of Zeke Emanual, and concluded we were fucked. So I transition to the VA which I also more than qualified, so we only had to make up for my wife losing healthcare earned as compensation for 30+ years.

I find it mind boggling that people think this is a good trade, people losing there earn compensations to enable a politician to give healthcare to someone else.
Hell, crap like that is reason to go to war!!!

 

[CupWizier]

Rand Paul also had no problem with the money for Trump's vanity parade.

Every Trump golf trip costs taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars that go directly into Trump's pocket. He stays at golf courses and resorts he owns. Generally, hotels charge Secret Service and other members of a president's entourage reduced rates, thinking it patriotic duty, but at Trump property they pay full rates. All the people who have to travel with a president pay full rates for rooms, meals, golf courses, etc. Millions to date, from we taxpayers directly to the Trump family. Rand Paul never asked for offset.

Fucking hypocrite.

Plus factor in the immediate rate hikes that trump did at his resorts and also the room rate increase at his DC hotel once he got his pathetic little parade. Nothing but a money grubber

 

[borim69]

I agree that the first responders should have their healthcare paid, But they are State employee's so the State/Unions should cover them not the Federal Government. Same with the National Guard. The Reservist that were called in ARE Federal Government and theirs should be paid as such.

 

[Further]

https://fortune.com/2018/11/15/obamacare-americans-with-health-insurance-uninsured/
fortune

Since Obamacare Became Law, 20 Million More Americans Have Gained Health Insurance

 

[borim69]

Rand Paul also had no problem with the money for Trump's vanity parade.

Every Trump golf trip costs taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars that go directly into Trump's pocket. He stays at golf courses and resorts he owns. Generally, hotels charge Secret Service and other members of a president's entourage reduced rates, thinking it patriotic duty, but at Trump property they pay full rates. All the people who have to travel with a president pay full rates for rooms, meals, golf courses, etc. Millions to date, from we taxpayers directly to the Trump family. Rand Paul never asked for offset.

Fucking hypocrite.

You obviously have never been apart of any government contract with any private organization. When the government is involved everyone jacks their prices up. Hotels lose business when the President stays with them so they charge accordingly you cant walk in and stay at a Hotel the president is at. You cant book a reservation for that time period. If you already have a reservation during that time period then men in black suits come to your house and you get an extreme background check and maybe you can stay there during that time.
As far as Trump staying at His family owned resorts sounds like good business besides it was probably cheaper to stay there then Martha's Vineyards like the Obama's and the Clintons did or Hawaii for Christmas.
Now a lot of people from the opposite side of the tracks (left and right) always complain about vacations or time off the President gets and where he goes when in reality it is all about the same. Carter, Reagan, and the Bushes all had big homes to go to and that is where they mostly went Although Carter really liked Camp David so their vacations were cheaper.
I am a firm believer that our President (whoever sits in that chair) has the toughest job to do in America and is entitled to go where ever he wants for vacation on the taxpayer dime whether I agree with his policies or not.

 

[borim69]

https://fortune.com/2018/11/15/obamacare-americans-with-health-insurance-uninsured/
fortune

Do you have unsubsidized Obamacare? Most of those 20 million that were enrolled are on subsidized Obamacare or Medicare that is something they never put in the report. Me and my wife also read the 1600 page affordable healthcare act. It took us 2 months it is an abomination. If you look at the candidates now only 1 democrat thinks it should be saved and that is Biden he has too. In 2008 I paid 60 dollars a month for Healthcare with a $500 deductible they paid 80% I paid 20 percent. Now I pay 120 dollars every 2 weeks with a 5000 dollar deductible. The democrats had a real chance of fixing the healthcare system in the US. They failed horribly.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

The logical solution is to have Saudi Arabia pay for it.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...s-lawsuits-over-sept-11-attacks-idUSKBN1H43A1

 

[SlyPokerDog]

'Put down your swords': Senate passes bill ensuring 9/11 victims fund will never run out of money
The bill's title includes the name of first responder Luis Alvarez, who died days after pleading with House lawmakers to pass the measure alongside comedian Jon Stewart.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...LVWiDoV8HDyomdsPJUWVD9WPjJ1yLdyl4C1GU2yao-iwc

 

[Lanny]

Do you have unsubsidized Obamacare? Most of those 20 million that were enrolled are on subsidized Obamacare or Medicare that is something they never put in the report. Me and my wife also read the 1600 page affordable healthcare act. It took us 2 months it is an abomination. If you look at the candidates now only 1 democrat thinks it should be saved and that is Biden he has too. In 2008 I paid 60 dollars a month for Healthcare with a $500 deductible they paid 80% I paid 20 percent. Now I pay 120 dollars every 2 weeks with a 5000 dollar deductible. The democrats had a real chance of fixing the healthcare system in the US. They failed horribly.

Two points:
1. Biden supports Obama Care only for the time being while adding a public option;
2. Millions of Americans had no health care at all until Obama Care came along. Yes, it's not nearly good enough but it's better than the nothing that Republicans came up with. I still have yet to see a concrete Republican health care proposal
Republicans know that health care is a losing issue for them and if they got rid of Obama Care they would get wiped out at the ballot box. Hence, they are satisfied with opposing Obama Care with nothing to replace it.

 

[e_blazer]

Two points:
1. Biden supports Obama Care only for the time being while adding a public option;
2. Millions of Americans had no health care at all until Obama Care came along. Yes, it's not nearly good enough but it's better than the nothing that Republicans came up with. I still have yet to see a concrete Republican health care proposal
Republicans know that health care is a losing issue for them and if they got rid of Obama Care they would get wiped out at the ballot box. Hence, they are satisfied with opposing Obama Care with nothing to replace it.

The Republicans are trying to use the legal system to dump Obama care:

"The big tax cut bill passed by the GOP Congress in December 2017 eliminated the penalty included in the ACA for failure to maintain health insurance coverage. This lawsuit, Texas v. United States, was filed in February 2018 by a group of Republican attorneys general and two governors. They argued that since the U.S. Supreme Court had upheld the ACA in 2012 specifically because it was a valid exercise of Congress' taxing power, taking the tax away makes the entire rest of the law unconstitutional."

https://www.npr.org/sections/health...act-is-back-in-court-5-facts-you-need-to-know