Rangers interested in Mike Santorelli

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Losing Hagelin and his elements would be tough for sure. Or do you give up MZ who has less value as a ufa. If we had 3-4m in cap space it would only take prospects.
 
Not sure how much they like Hayes at C these past few games. He was just benched the entire third period against the Sens. Not exactly a vote of confidence.
 
Yeah, but then you subtract from the rock solid top 6 to add Vermette? To me what it comes down to is I would love to keep what we have AND add some solid forward depth, unless we are getting a forward who is so darn good that we have to make the deal.

This team is close. We are real good. If we added Sant and Winnick I think we'd be in the mix with anyone. That would be a heck of a 4th line.
 
Like I said Prod, IMO which one plays C is whatever.

I can see getting Vermette, but man would I love to keep what we have an just add to that rather than deal Hags and Moore or Zucc and Moore to add a player. Then I ask are you really getting that much better?

I know we get on Hags, but he is a + 8, on pace for 17 goals and 33 points and he went 17/33 last season as well, is a top PK guy, and steps up his game in the playoffs. I don't want to deal that in season unless we got a MUCH better player...and Vermette is not that IMO.
 
I dont deal Hags for Vermette. Vermette shouldnt cost a roster player no matter where he goes, rentals are almost always pick/prospect deal.

Id give Hags only if we were getting a guy like Bozak who's signed for a few more years. Chuck I know you dont like him but I think he's perfect for the third line and would settle the issues at C for the foreseeable future.
 
MAF looked good in that shoot out...LOL. Never touched a puck. Pens lose another point tonight.

Best two teams in Met...6 days from today on LI...if we win the division will be a battle...if the Isles win I think they are 100% in the drivers seat to win the Met.
 
If you tell me I could get Vermette without giving up a roster player, sure I do it in a second, but I don't know if that is doable. Plus we'd have to get his money under the cap. That would be an issue as well. I think someone making some money would have to come out for him to fit, unless we can get Zona to hold some cap hit, but they will have suitors for Vermette I believe, so not sure they have to do that.

Same with Bozak at 4.25 per. Plus he will cost a lot more when you factor in he is signed for years at a decent rate. Hags isn't enough. Zucc I don't see what we'd gain. Tougher to fit those guys in.
 
I think Sather long term wants Hayes at center. He might have told him already, right now he can't win draws and they need a rental player for one year to play center because faceoffs in the playoffs are important. I would not be shocked to see Hayes moved to wing and then go back to center next season.
 
My last point on this topic is I like Winnik more than Santorelli. Winnik is the guy I want, and then go add another 3rd line guy in another deal.

One of the things making the Isles as good is their depth. Their 4th line is very good. I view Winnik as our version of Martin. He can score 7 or so goals and 32 or so points. He has toughness, size, and grit. He is very good on the PK. He has played in big games the past two seasons with the Ducks. So he has SC playoff experience. And when I look at a potential Miller/Moore/Winnik 4th line I love it. I think that woud be an excellent 4th line. Size, some scoring ability. responsible player like Moore down there...looks like an excellent 4th line to me.

So I take my desire to add Winnik, and see how we are clearly being linked with Santorelli, and I say let's get them both. The 4th line I just discussed, and add 16 or so goal and 45 or so point Sant for the 3rd line. I think we'd be a pretty deep and complete team with those guys added, even if I don't love Sant and think he isn't the perfect 3rd line add, but if we can improve the 4th also I think Sant is good enough.
 
I do agree it might not be smart to give up Hagelin for a ufa like Vermette or others, though i would probably include Moore and a 2nd+prospect. Other teams might be able to beat our deal if they have a little better prospect pool or late 1st which we don't.
 
Remember we are talking about the Bottom 6. Winnik would add size and PK ability to the team. For a bottom 6 player he gets a lot of assists. I think he would be a great role player to add. Vermette would be great too because he does a little of everything and plays with an edge. Acquiring both would be great but that would kick out 2 of Miller-Fast-Stempniak
 
Michael Traikos of the National Post: Six Maple Leafs that could be traded after the All-Star break.

Tyler Bozak - he’s at least a second- or third-line center who is good on the draw, can kill penalties and can play on the power play.
Jake Gardiner – Depends on what they do with Dion Phaneuf and Cody Franson. Would want a young player in return, preferably a center. Could he be part of a package for Ryan O’Reilly?
Joffrey Lupul – when he’s healthy, he can produce. He has three-years left at $5.25 million cap hit. The Leafs might have to take a salary back or retain some.
Mike Santorelli - they should consider re-signing him, but can they afford it? He will likely ask for something in the $3 million a season range. Teams that are looking for depth could be interested.
Daniel Winnik – he’s recorded 19 points at even strength. He can kill penalties and will be looking for a pay increase next season. Could get a 2nd or 3rd round pick for him.
James Reimer – he makes $2.3 million, which is a bit much for a back up. Goalies don’t have a lot of resale value and he has a .906 SV% and 3.32 GAA
 
Winnik and Santorelli please...:).

Fast or McIlrath, a mid prospect, and a 2nd in 2016 for the duo. If they wanted an extra 4th or 5th this year so be it.
 
Stemp and Fast.

Hags, Hayes, Sant 3rd line
Miller, Moore, Winnik 4th line

Send me the SC...:).
 
I personally think Stempniak will be a valuable vet come playoff time and should get the minutes. Fast will definately sit and Hayes probably too if the trade happens.
 
Problem with trading at the deadline involves many things. One, teams that suck have a pissed off, unreasonable GM. Two, those GM's are probably worried about their jobs so they feel the need to get back tons of picks and prospect to give their fans hope. Third, you always have about 10 teams that think they can win it all and will give up the world for players who aren't all that good. Four, most the players available are either rentals or bad contracts that nobody wants.

I always hate deadline deals. I wish GM's made more trades at the draft and in the off-season.
 
Which to me is all the more reason to strike now with the Leafs. I'm telling you if Sather made a good solid offer Shanny would deal now. That is why I pass on Vermette. Maloney is going to hold and hold until right up to the DL. We can get in now with the Leafs and get it done 4 weeks before the DL. That would be my plan. Strike now and get Shanny to pull the trigger.
 
Gotta think the Rangers are looking at a player on the last year of their contract.
 
McIlrath seems to be playing much better now according to those who watch him. Some stay he still needs to distribute the puck quicker.
 
We had the early stretch when 3 or 4 dmen were out for multiple games, but outside of that pretty healthy. But let's remember McD, Stepan, Boyle have all missed 11 games at least.

I think the time to deal McIlrath is now. I have to think the Leafs would like him given their terrible D. McIlrath, a 2nd or 3rd round pick, another mid level prospect should be able to get us Sant and Winnick. Maybe throw in an extra 4th or 5th rounder. That would be a good haul for the Leafs for two guys who are UFA's this summer.
 
However, would it be wise for the Rangers. After next year Boyle is done and there is no right handed defenseman in the system other than McIlrath who could possibly make the pro's.
 
Here is why I think it is 100% wise. McD, Girardi, Staal, and Klein are all locked up for years. So that is a very good top 4. With the 3rd pair we will find players to fill those slots no issue IMO. You can always find decent 3rd pair guys. Our top 4 is set for years.

To me now is 100000% the time to move McIlrath. Scored last night as well.
 
If Boyle was up after this year I'd say maybe, but we're talking two years away now. Sather looks like he's figured out a way to keep Klein and Staal, which I honestly didnt think was possible. As I see it now Klein will be moving up, so you can't not make a trade based on a potential problem on the 3rd defensive pair two years down the line.

Having said that, I dont necessarily want to give McIlrath away for 2 rentals. Id rather use him in a Bozak deal.
 
McIlrath was such a project at one time I felt a defenseman like him could be in the AHL to 23 or 24 and still carve out a nice pro career because of the style he plays. He's 22 now. The Red Wings have kept plenty of prospects in the AHL from 22 to 24 than are now playing well. Nyquist was a prime example. So maybe he will turn out to be something. However, when Sather signed Boyle to a 2 year contract. showed me he wasn't high on McIlrath any longer.
 
The issue with Bozak is the cap Prod. How do we make that work? No shot we can keep Zucc if we deal for Bozak. And how do we fit Bozak in this season? We dealing Hags? Okay, all good, but did we really help our depth if we deal Hags? There are bigger issues with getting Bozak...cap issues.
 
This is a win now team. We have a few good young players close to help with the cap next season. If we added Sant and Winnik I think we are in the cup fav discussion for sure. We'd have a ton of depth upfront that we clearly lack now. And I would love to resign Winnik also if he isn't crazy with his demands. He is exactly the kind of guy you like to have for playoff runs.
 
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