Rank these PGs

[Rastapopoulos]

Choose whatever metric(s) you want, but explain and defend them.

Mike Conley
Stephen Curry
George Hill
Brandon Jennings
Ty Lawson
Damian Lillard
Ricky Rubio
Jeff Teague
Greivis Vasquez
John Wall

 

[THE HCP]

No Rose?

 

[THE HCP]

No Parker?

 

[THE HCP]

No CP3?

 

[THE HCP]

C'Mon FAMS!

 

[THE HCP]

No Holiday?

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

No Irving?

 

[THE HCP]

You see what I'm talking about Beer? Lock this thread and ban this guy!

 

[HomerLovesKoolAid]

I think the point of the thread may have been to rank the '2nd tier' PGs.

Correct me if I'm wrong or just give me shit if you're HCP.

 

[Jayps15]

I think the point of the thread may have been to rank the '2nd tier' PGs.

Correct me if I'm wrong or just give me shit if you're HCP.

That's how I read it, although this was a creatively ****y way for HCP to derail this discussion.

 

[THE HCP]

I think the point of the thread may have been to rank the '2nd tier' PGs.

Correct me if I'm wrong or just give me shit if you're HCP.

Dude, nobody asked for your opinion you dumbass rooki................. shit, you aren't a rookie anymore. Good point maybe he WAS talking about 2nd tier PGs. As you were.......

 

[blue9]

Yeah, seemed pretty obvious that this was "2nd Tier" PGs. No Rondo, Lillard (!), or Williams either.

 

[THE HCP]

Yeah, seemed pretty obvious that this was "2nd Tier" PGs. No Rondo, Lillard (!), or Williams either.

Oh was it pretty obvious? Thanks man.

 

[HomerLovesKoolAid]

Dude, nobody asked for your opinion you dumbass rooki................. shit, you aren't a rookie anymore. Good point maybe he WAS talking about 2nd tier PGs. As you were.......

Damn right. I'm a soph now and can't be called 'dumbass'. Although 'dipshit' and 'craphound' are still in play.

 

[THE HCP]

One call into Denny and I'll bump you back down to 500 posts FAMS! "THREAD" lightly.

 

[blue9]

Oh was it pretty obvious? Thanks man.

Yeah, it was...if you were paying attention. If you're skimming then perhaps not as obvious. Nothing wrong with skimming.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Yeah, it was...if you were paying attention. If you're skimming then perhaps not as obvious. Nothing wrong with skimming.

There might be a little something wrong with it when you author five stupid posts on one thread in a span of one minute.

 

[Denny Crane]

Ty Lawson
George Hill
Mike Conley
Stephen Curry
All on teams with ~40 wins.

Jeff Teague
Brandon Jennings
Both on teams > .500

Ricky Rubio
Greivis Vasquez
All hat, no cattle.

John Wall
Damian Lillard
Huge potential. Waiting for their teams to be led by them to contention.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Oh was it pretty obvious? Thanks man.

Yes it was.

Although you're right, I missed out Jrue Holiday. Feel free to include him.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

No Rondo, Lillard (!), or Williams either.

Nothing wrong with skimming.

Except when you skip over a player who's there and say he isn't.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Ty Lawson
George Hill
Mike Conley
Stephen Curry
All on teams with ~40 wins.

Jeff Teague
Brandon Jennings
Both on teams > .500

Ricky Rubio
Greivis Vasquez
All hat, no cattle.

John Wall
Damian Lillard
Huge potential. Waiting for their teams to be led by them to contention.

A strange mixture of classifications. How about:

Mike Conley
Stephen Curry
Jeff Teague

All have names of uncles of mine

Brandon Jennings

Makes me think of "jeggings"

Damian Lillard
John Wall
George Hill

The "double-L gang" (includes Holiday if you spell it wrong)

Ricky Rubio
Greivis Vasquez

Huh, huh - they talk funny.

 

[Denny Crane]

A strange mixture of classifications. How about:

Mike Conley
Stephen Curry
Jeff Teague

All have names of uncles of mine

Brandon Jennings

Makes me think of "jeggings"

Damian Lillard
John Wall
George Hill

The "double-L gang" (includes Holiday if you spell it wrong)

Ricky Rubio
Greivis Vasquez

Huh, huh - they talk funny.

Hardly. I think Lawson, Hill, Conley, and Curry are clearly PGs on winning teams. That means they're able to run an offense on a winning team. The others have to prove that, no?

Teague and Jennings have had brief successes, but are inconsistent at winning.

Rubio & Vasquez? Sergio part 2.

Wall, Lillard. I expect their trajectory to be more like Curry than like Teague or Jennings. They're remarkably talented. The jury's out.

And yeah, I think Winning is what the game is all about.

No arbitrary criteria used.

 

[Run BJM]

Ranking them by how good they are right now:

1. Steph Curry
2. Ty Lawson
3. Lillard
4. Jennings
5. John Wall
6. Conley
7. Ricky Rubio
8. George Hill
9. Greivis Vasquez
10. Jeff Teague

Self admitted Curry homer, but I honestly think hes the best player of the bunch and the closest thing to a guy you could build around. Far from traditional skillset but highly effective and took big time steps this year, to the extent that you could argue hes sort of in-between this tier and the next tier up.

Lawson got the nod over a lot of these guys just because hes more under control than most of the younger guys, has played on a winner, etc. John Wall is pretty tough to gauge at this stage of his career. I've HATED Vasquez dating back to his days at Maryland. Perhaps its irrational hate, but fuck that guy and I think his stats are bloated.

If I ranked them by who I was starting a team with (i.e. factoring in potential, health, age, etc.) it would be a completely different list.

 

[Run BJM]

Hardly. I think Lawson, Hill, Conley, and Curry are clearly PGs on winning teams. That means they're able to run an offense on a winning team. The others have to prove that, no?

...

No arbitrary criteria used.

The winning-only criteria is pretty arbitrary. Swap Conley with Jennings, Lillard, Wall, Rubio, etc. and is he still a winning PG? Are those teams winning any more games? Would the Grizzlies or Pacers or Hawks be worse off with Wall, Rubio, Lillard, Jennings?

 

[Denny Crane]

The winning-only criteria is pretty arbitrary. Swap Conley with Jennings, Lillard, Wall, Rubio, etc. and is he still a winning PG? Are those teams winning any more games? Would the Grizzlies or Pacers or Hawks be worse off with Wall, Rubio, Lillard, Jennings?

Yeah, I think all those guys are winning PGs whatever team they're on. All the teams have some high caliber player or two. It's winning with what you have that matters.

Stephon Marbury put up gawdy stats, but wasn't much of a winner. So it isn't just about stats.

 

[RoyToy]

Right now

Curry
Lawson
Lillard
Jennings
Wall
Rubio
Conley
Teague
Vasquez
Hill

Future

Lillard
Wall
Curry
Rubio
Lawson
Jennings
Teague
Conley
Vasquez
Hill

Lillard's "IT" factor is undeniable. He's already hit many big shots in his rookie season and he has the mindset you want in a franchise player. LeBron, Chris Paul, etc seem to absolutely love his game. Says a lot.

Moving on, out of all the players his combination of shooting/athleticism/size is probably the best.

Curry is a better shooter, but isn't quite as athletic.

Wall is more athletic, but isn't quite the shooter Lillard is.

Rubio is a better pure passer, but isn't quite the athlete or shooter Lillard is.

Lillard is pretty much the combination of everything you want in a PG these days.

 

[NOVoodoo]

The winning-only criteria is pretty arbitrary. Swap Conley with Jennings, Lillard, Wall, Rubio, etc. and is he still a winning PG? Are those teams winning any more games? Would the Grizzlies or Pacers or Hawks be worse off with Wall, Rubio, Lillard, Jennings?

Yeah, if the Grizzlies had Wall, I think they'd be worse off. I'd take Conley over him simply from the perspective that Conley doesn't make the same stupid mistakes or force offense. He plays within the team concept, and I don't think Wall could do that.

Other than that, I'd have to agree with your rankings but swap Teague and Vasquez. Greivis is fun to watch, but he plays so out of control and goes for so many home-run plays that I wouldn't really watch him being my team's pg either.

 

[KingSpeed]

Washington wins when Wall plays. He was just hurt early on. Otherwise, they'd be a playoff team.

 

[NOVoodoo]

Washington wins when Wall plays. He was just hurt early on. Otherwise, they'd be a playoff team.

I'd say that you have to give just as much credit to Beal for the improvement. Having Wall back allows him to play his natural position. He's been on an absolute tear these past 25-30 games. Not to mention, just inserting any point guard into that lineup was going to help. They were revolving a group of shooting guards and D-league level point guards at the 1.

Let's not forget, John Wall played in every game for them last year during that 20 win season.

 

[MickZagger]

Curry
Lawson
Lillard
Conley
Jennings
Hill
Vazquez
Teague
Rubio
Wall