Politics 'Ransom' paid to Iran?

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crandc said:
Not ransom, not secret, not new.

In 1979 after Iranians took over the US embassy and made the staff hostages, the US government in retaliation froze all Iranian assets in US banks. The money has sat there since. Part of the deal whereby Iran agreed to dismantle its nuclear program was "unfreezing" the assets. It was Iranian money, not US money. The article in the treaty was announced months ago. It was reported in the NY Times and on CNN and the SF Chronicle among others.

But with the Trump campaign imploding, a fake scandal is just what is needed to deflect attention.
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Don't need a fake scandal when we have the DNC email leaks... Or haven't you read them?
 
The ransom seems to have gone up. Years ago, the standard, to hand a Muslim hostage holder was a money bag containing a $10 bill, rubber banded to like size note pad.
He could make like he got bag of money, or bitch, but we took the hostage.
 
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Congress is not the only place where the payment was characterized as ransom. Commanders of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps were quoted in state media saying bluntly that the money was paid in exchange for the American prisoners.
 
Denny Crane said:
Congress is not the only place where the payment was characterized as ransom. Commanders of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps were quoted in state media saying bluntly that the money was paid in exchange for the American prisoners.
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Well, if Iran's military says it, it must be true.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Well, if Iran's military says it, it must be true.

barfo
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Funny how you stick up for liars and call the guys telling the truth liars.

Twisted.
 
Denny Crane said:
Funny how you stick up for liars and call the guys telling the truth liars.

Twisted.
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Funny how you assume that the Iranian government is telling the truth and our government is lying, despite lacking any real knowledge of the subject at hand. Twisted.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Funny how you assume that the Iranian government is telling the truth and our government is lying, despite lacking any real knowledge of the subject at hand. Twisted.

barfo
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I have been lied to by the guys you defend. The Iranians? If your guys are liars, these guys are telling the truth.

Liar says, "it wasn't ransom" so it really was. The Iranians say it is ransom, the truth.
 
Denny Crane said:
I have been lied to by the guys you defend. The Iranians? If your guys are liars, these guys are telling the truth.

Liar says, "it wasn't ransom" so it really was. The Iranians say it is ransom, the truth.
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Yeah, I think your bias is clouding your reason.

Feel free to move to Iran, though. Maybe you could convince them to put Trump in charge.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Yeah, I think your bias is clouding your reason.

Feel free to move to Iran, though. Maybe you could convince them to put Trump in charge.

barfo
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Logic escapes you. It's rather binary.

The proven liars say it wasn't ransom, therefore it was.

No, I don't think there's a chance they're telling the truth this time, though there's always a first.

Benghazi was about a video posted on the Internet. Lies.
 
Denny Crane said:
Logic escapes you. It's rather binary.

The proven liars say it wasn't ransom, therefore it was.
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That's not logic, that's DennyMath. Lying isn't binary. People can lie about some things and not others. In fact everyone does, presumably including you.

barfo
 
barfo said:
That's not logic, that's DennyMath. Lying isn't binary. People can lie about some things and not others. In fact everyone does, presumably including you.

barfo
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There's no reason to expect them to tell the truth this time, Charlie Brown.

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Fool me once, shame on thee. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool all the time, call me barfo.
 
I read several articles stating this was NOT ransom money and this unfreezing of Iran's assets was negotiated 8 months ago..the hostages were not bought for 400 million ...it was Iranian money...now you can and will find a spin article claiming it's a Democratic payola scam and the GOP will try to use it to keep their flailing party afloat and divert all the Dumpty Trumpty fell off the wall craziness back onto Obama and Hillary...Denny hates those two so they pop up often in his posts...I can claim what I read as the truth but if others prefer Fox or National Enquirer for their reading pleasure...they're going to get a different truth from the the NY Times or Washington Post.
 
riverman said:
I read several articles stating this was NOT ransom money and this unfreezing of Iran's assets was negotiated 8 months ago..the hostages were not bought for 400 million ...it was Iranian money...now you can and will find a spin article claiming it's a Democratic payola scam and the GOP will try to use it to keep their flailing party afloat and divert all the Dumpty Trumpty fell off the wall craziness back onto Obama and Hillary...Denny hates those two so they pop up often in his posts...I can claim what I read as the truth but if others prefer Fox or National Enquirer for their reading pleasure...they're going to get a different truth from the the NY Times or Washington Post.
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There's no reason we should have ever unfrozen Iranian assets in the first place. So you're fooling yourself if you think this wasn't leverage used to get hostages released.

Come on people...
 
LOL at people calling out gop spin articles.

Thats what the internet is all about. Both sides put out spin articles all the time. So some of those disputing reports would have been dem spins too.

Im really tired of this election and prople drawing party lines. Can it be december yet?
 
riverman said:
I read several articles stating this was NOT ransom money and this unfreezing of Iran's assets was negotiated 8 months ago..the hostages were not bought for 400 million ...it was Iranian money...now you can and will find a spin article claiming it's a Democratic payola scam and the GOP will try to use it to keep their flailing party afloat and divert all the Dumpty Trumpty fell off the wall craziness back onto Obama and Hillary...Denny hates those two so they pop up often in his posts...I can claim what I read as the truth but if others prefer Fox or National Enquirer for their reading pleasure...they're going to get a different truth from the the NY Times or Washington Post.
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Right. We routinely send crates of cash to countries in a hurry, the same day we get hostages freed.

What was the rush? Why cash?

The administration claims the Iranians don't have access to the world's financial system. LOL.

I'm sure they know how to work a Swiss bank account.
 
Here's what's funny. Or really not funny.
Those media outlets reporting this as breaking news ... if you look at their archives from last January, you will see every last one of them reported President Obama's speech where he outlined the terms of the deal, including returning the $400 million in assets that had been frozen back in 1979. But someone started screaming "secret ransom" (who?) and all of a sudden this 8-month old item is "news" and "secret".

When the President of the United States announces something on national TV, it's really not a secret, you know.
 
400 million seems like a lot but it's only like $1 apiece, chip in your share guys.
 
blue32 said:
There's no reason we should have ever unfrozen Iranian assets in the first place. So you're fooling yourself if you think this wasn't leverage used to get hostages released.

Come on people...
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It's generally what you do when sanctions are lifted....and I'm not foolin' anybody...just saying this was not purely about hostages...turns out it wasn't just about hostages...why wouldn't we use leverage to free hostages? We freed some of ours too
 
Denny Crane said:
What was the rush
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8 months doesn't seem like such a rush to me...maybe you're disappointed they didn't keep you posted all along...did you really think they'd release hostages before they got paid?
 
riverman said:
8 months doesn't seem like such a rush to me...maybe you're disappointed they didn't keep you posted all along...did you really think they'd release hostages before they got paid?
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Well, there you go. It was a ransom.
 
riverman said:
never said it wasn't, but it wasn't JUST a ransom..my point all along
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You did say it.

"did you really think they'd release hostages before they got paid?"

that's a ransom, by definition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ransom

Ransom is the practice of holding a prisoner or item to extort money or property to secure their release, or it may refer to the sum of money involved.
 
Denny Crane said:
You did say it.

"did you really think they'd release hostages before they got paid?"

that's a ransom, by definition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ransom

Ransom is the practice of holding a prisoner or item to extort money or property to secure their release, or it may refer to the sum of money involved.
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Paying them ransom money with their own frozen assets is a stroke of genius...
 
riverman said:
Paying them ransom money with their own frozen assets is a stroke of genius...
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Paying them money, no matter the source, or the hostages not freed. Ransom.
 
Shoutout to the hostages that are now home with their families...!!! Welcome home! Just know Denny would've left you over there and kept the Iranian money in that Denver bank.
 
riverman said:
Shoutout to the hostages that are now home with their families...!!! Welcome home! Just know Denny would've left you over there and kept the Iranian money in that Denver bank.
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They were left there all along. Since 2007.
 
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