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Would you re-sign Andre Miller to another 2 year contract?

  • Yes

    Votes: 24 66.7%
  • No

    Votes: 12 33.3%

  • Total voters
    36
Did Golden State giving Steven Jackson an extension, then having to trade him to Charlotte for pennies on the dollar not teach you anything?

Not picking up Miller's option year until we absulutely have to gives us a ton of flexibility. We are not going to get a discount for extending him now anyway. Let him play out the next year and a half. If we still need him, he will more than likely not be able to command anything above the MLE and can be signed for a better price.
 
The Miami Heat!

Honestly though, you're trying to make a point but you're glossing over the fact two of the players you mentioned are top five in the league. The fact that they have Wade and James alone makes them one of the best teams in the league. They JUST built that team, so of course it's going to be a collection of garbage until they can surround those guys with some decent players, and right now they're not all that bad. They've had guys like James Jones step up. They'll still make the playoffs. I thought MM's assessment was pretty damn close to spot on. What did you disagree with?

But that is the entire point.

Every single player in the entire NBA has parts of their game that are less then ideal including LeBron James.
Listing them all without any mention of anything else is both pointless and depressing.

It is pretty depressing that Roy's ceiling is late career Bernard King right now but if that is going to ruin the entire Blazer organization for you then you should probably stop being a Portland fan.
This shit has all happened before and it will for sure all happen again.
Actually, I would rather have this season AND last season put together before I "enjoyed" 1978 again.
That team actually won a title the year before and seemed invincible until injuries ruined what could have been special.

Two years later Walton is gone and the team was a complete disaster.
As an added benefit, it's all documented in one of the best sports books of all time.
That way you can relive the disappointment as often as you want.

For as important as Brandon is to the team he will never, ever be as good as Walton was.
Hell, he isn't going to be as good as Clyde.

Speaking of which, remember that delightful season when Portland traded Clyde for a box of popcorn because he hated Bob Whittsit?
That was worse.
At least B-Roy still wants to be in Portland.

That was the same year where the announcers would jock Uncle Cliffy by saying he lead the league in 3-pointers attempted.

Let's not even mention those 12 minutes in LA.


If you want to follow a team where things always seem to work out great and the lows are extremely short you should follow the Lakers.
Their history of success is stupifying.

In all honesty, I follow the Blazers because I watched them with my Grandmother when I was a kid.
I will continue to watch them in part because they remind me of her.

That and sometimes they are pretty damn fun to watch.
Also, they tend to beat the Lakers here in Portland and that always warms my heart.


Long story short, if watching a team that never seems to get over the hump depresses you to no end I respectfully suggest you stop following the Trailblazers for your own personal health.
 
Please tell me what you disagree with me on?

Nothing.
Everything you wrote is exactly correct.

It's also only half the story, at best.

That is where I am perplexed.

Is this really and truly all you think of about the current trailblazers team?

If so I can't imagine why you would bother following such a collection of fail.
It's at least as bad (and probably worse) then being a complete homer who believes the team is a title contender no matter who suits up to play.
 
But that is the entire point.

Every single player in the entire NBA has parts of their game that are less then ideal including LeBron James.
Listing them all without any mention of anything else is both pointless and depressing.

It is pretty depressing that Roy's ceiling is late career Bernard King right now but if that is going to ruin the entire Blazer organization for you then you should probably stop being a Portland fan.
This shit has all happened before and it will for sure all happen again.
Actually, I would rather have this season AND last season put together before I "enjoyed" 1978 again.
That team actually won a title the year before and seemed invincible until injuries ruined what could have been special.

Two years later Walton is gone and the team was a complete disaster.
As an added benefit, it's all documented in one of the best sports books of all time.
That way you can relive the disappointment as often as you want.

For as important as Brandon is to the team he will never, ever be as good as Walton was.
Hell, he isn't going to be as good as Clyde.

Speaking of which, remember that delightful season when Portland traded Clyde for a box of popcorn because he hated Bob Whittsit?
That was worse.
At least B-Roy still wants to be in Portland.

That was the same year where the announcers would jock Uncle Cliffy by saying he lead the league in 3-pointers attempted.

Let's not even mention those 12 minutes in LA.


If you want to follow a team where things always seem to work out great and the lows are extremely short you should follow the Lakers.
Their history of success is stupifying.

In all honesty, I follow the Blazers because I watched them with my Grandmother when I was a kid.
I will continue to watch them in part because they remind me of her.

That and sometimes they are pretty damn fun to watch.
Also, they tend to beat the Lakers here in Portland and that always warms my heart.


Long story short, if watching a team that never seems to get over the hump depresses you to no end I respectfully suggest you stop following the Trailblazers for your own personal health.

Post of the season! Repped!
 
To me, it's about making the playoffs.


I am old school, and probably messed up from my father who was a football coach. He had all the crazy philosophies like "If every individual wins every play, then the there is no way for the team to lose." "If you are not winning, then the only other option is that you are losing" Crap like that. Anyway, I tend to think along these lines too. So if the Blazers aren't in possition to win it all with the roster they have, then get a new roster that you can win with. Simply making the playoffs is not good enough unless the team can win it all. The first year they made it to the playoffs, it was great. The next year though, they failed by not taking the next step. This year, they should take yet another step, and if the same injuries are a reason they can't, then it's time to bring in new players. Harsh yes, but making the playoffs isn't enough anymore.


LOL, lot's of rambling, and I'm not sure it made any sense, but I hope everyone understands that?
 
But that is the entire point.

Every single player in the entire NBA has parts of their game that are less then ideal including LeBron James.
Listing them all without any mention of anything else is both pointless and depressing.

It is pretty depressing that Roy's ceiling is late career Bernard King right now but if that is going to ruin the entire Blazer organization for you then you should probably stop being a Portland fan.
This shit has all happened before and it will for sure all happen again.
Actually, I would rather have this season AND last season put together before I "enjoyed" 1978 again.
That team actually won a title the year before and seemed invincible until injuries ruined what could have been special.

Two years later Walton is gone and the team was a complete disaster.
As an added benefit, it's all documented in one of the best sports books of all time.
That way you can relive the disappointment as often as you want.

For as important as Brandon is to the team he will never, ever be as good as Walton was.
Hell, he isn't going to be as good as Clyde.

Speaking of which, remember that delightful season when Portland traded Clyde for a box of popcorn because he hated Bob Whittsit?
That was worse.
At least B-Roy still wants to be in Portland.

That was the same year where the announcers would jock Uncle Cliffy by saying he lead the league in 3-pointers attempted.

Let's not even mention those 12 minutes in LA.


If you want to follow a team where things always seem to work out great and the lows are extremely short you should follow the Lakers.
Their history of success is stupifying.

In all honesty, I follow the Blazers because I watched them with my Grandmother when I was a kid.
I will continue to watch them in part because they remind me of her.

That and sometimes they are pretty damn fun to watch.
Also, they tend to beat the Lakers here in Portland and that always warms my heart.


Long story short, if watching a team that never seems to get over the hump depresses you to no end I respectfully suggest you stop following the Trailblazers for your own personal health.

Your entire point is that you're taking the opposite end of the spectrum from MM, which is fine and everything, but it doesn't get us any closer to a championship. Sorry, but I don't take the rose colored glasses approach to this team. I was there when we had Bassy, Ha, and Randolph. I saw the Rose Garden when it had roughly 11k people and there were vast seas of empty seats. I've watched this team, without pause, since I was roughly 11 years old and interested enough to understand the NBA. I've seen this team go through ups and downs, but I've always tried to keep a realistic viewpoint on the team. I was never the guy who proclaimed us the preseason champs because we were blowing teams away, but I also wasn't the guy who said we should blow it up because we lost a few games in the preseason.

I view this team as a talented squad that was built to win championships. The way I interpret MM's post is thus: we are much further from a championship than we thought we would be. We are much further from a championship than we were two years ago. He may have focused on the negative, but right now it's hard to focus on anything but. Our superstar is, for all intents and purposes, a shadow of himself. Our franchise center is still out, with no real indication of when he will return. This team was built to win a championship, and if we cannot achieve that this season or next, we need to rethink our plan for the future.

Let's look at our roster.

Roy- in his first year of a max contract. Exhibiting very little of the skills that we have seen over the past four years. He was a huge part of our title hopes, and without him playing at a high level, we are in deep shit.

Oden - what do we even know about him right now? Most Blazer fans hang their hats on Oden's potential to bring us a championship, but right now we have no idea when he'll even be back on the court. That's a scary prospect. I would love to have Oden back, but at this point I'm ready to start adjusting this team to build for the future. I think our window has shifted.

Aldridge - I still think Aldridge is an All-Star. I don't think he's a #1 option, but he's a guy that can dominate on any given night. We just can't count on him to be a consistent scoring threat. We also can't count on him to be a bruiser. He never will be that guy.

Rudy - We're not even six months removed from this guy basically demanding a trade, or his outright release from the team. This is a guy who threatened to walk away from his contract and sit out the remaining two seasons so he could return to Europe. Forgive me if I don't have much faith in Rudy Fernandez as a part of our future.

Wes Matthews - I had high hopes for Wes, but so far he's been a disappointment. I suspect he's pressing because of his contract, which is adversely affecting his overall play. I think he's a solid defender, but he needs to relax, let the game come to him, and get his shooting back on track. I think he'll work out in the long term.

Armon Johnson - I like Armon. I think he has a lot of potential and I'd like to see what he can bring to the table with more minutes.

Batum - Nic is a bit of a conundrum. He has so much talent, and so much potential, but is he ready to be a star? He's been a bit inconsistent, but he's shown real flashes of dominance at both ends of the court. I'd like to see him highlighted more by McMillan.

Camby - He was brought in to help us win when it matters. He's a vet with experience in the playoffs, and a former defensive player of the year. He's a great player, but he's not part of our long term future.

Miller - I've always loved Miller's game, but he was meant to be a short term answer. Similar to Camby, he's a guy who is worthless to this team if we aren't in the playoffs and if we can't move past the first round.

Przybilla -we have no idea what he's going to bring to the table after two knee surgeries.

Cunningham - I like Dante, I think he's a good role player, but he needs to add something to his game to be a more dynamic scorer.

Babbitt - I haven't seen anything that would lead me to believe this guy is anything more than a scrub.

I don't think it's time to rebuild the team, because in my mind a rebuild is a complete blowup of the roster. I think it might be time for a refitting of the roster though. If Oden is out for most of the season, and let's face it, we have no idea when he'll be back, then this season is essentially lost without Roy and Oden. I think Oden, if he can stay healthy, is at least a season away from being able to contribute like he was before the injury. Because of that, I think we should take this season, and possibly next season, and refit our team.
 
I would not (sign Miller any longer). His biggest value to this team, given the injury situation, is as a trade asset. Otherwise, this team is a playoffs team and out in the first round for a while.

If this season can not be salvaged because of the Roy/Oden injuries, this team needs to trade him for picks/prospects and take a bad year - with the hope that Oden/Roy do recover (some or a lot) and have good prospects next to them going forward.

We have seen what teams with Andre Miller as the best/2nd best player look like. They make the playoffs, they go out in the first round. That's a recipe for ho-hum improvement going forward.
 
Which part did you disagree with? That Camby is 36? MM was dead on.

As I stated in a posting after the one you quoted I don't disagree with anything that MM said about the team.

However, there are a whole ton of things he didn't say about the team that both positive and equally true.
Only listing all of the negative stuff about the players on the team is as pointless as listing only the positive aspects of every player.

Further, wallowing in all the crap that's wrong with the team can't be fun or really even remotely enjoyable.
I was just wondering why anyone would bother doing so.


Further still, the post makes it seem like this is the lowest point in Blazer history.
It's not even close.
 
Your entire point is that you're taking the opposite end of the spectrum from MM, which is fine and everything, but it doesn't get us any closer to a championship. Sorry, but I don't take the rose colored glasses approach to this team. I was there when we had Bassy, Ha, and Randolph. I saw the Rose Garden when it had roughly 11k people and there were vast seas of empty seats. I've watched this team, without pause, since I was roughly 11 years old and interested enough to understand the NBA. I've seen this team go through ups and downs, but I've always tried to keep a realistic viewpoint on the team. I was never the guy who proclaimed us the preseason champs because we were blowing teams away, but I also wasn't the guy who said we should blow it up because we lost a few games in the preseason.

I think there is a misunderstanding here.

I am not saying that everything is fine and that all the players are awesome.
That would be stupid.

I was making fun of the fact that the listing of each player was so negative without mentioning any strengths the they bring to the table that it made them look worse then the team that featured Bassy and the Gang.


I view this team as a talented squad that was built to win championships. The way I interpret MM's post is thus: we are much further from a championship than we thought we would be. We are much further from a championship than we were two years ago. He may have focused on the negative, but right now it's hard to focus on anything but. Our superstar is, for all intents and purposes, a shadow of himself. Our franchise center is still out, with no real indication of when he will return. This team was built to win a championship, and if we cannot achieve that this season or next, we need to rethink our plan for the future.

I can't disagree with any of this.

The team as it stands right now doesn't have what it takes to win a title without some outside influence (like Portland shipping it's injury bug to the Lakers, Celtics, Magic, Heat and Jazz).

Then again I wasn't all that sure they could win it all even if everyone was at full health.
I figured they had a chance.
Today I don't.

I think outside of the Clippers and Grizzlies every team is built with the idea they can win a title.
It's just that once in a generation type players are just that.
Portland threw the dice hoping they got one.
So far it looks like they threw Snake Eyes.

Let's look at our roster.

Roy- in his first year of a max contract. Exhibiting very little of the skills that we have seen over the past four years. He was a huge part of our title hopes, and without him playing at a high level, we are in deep shit.

I am not sure about this, actually.
A Roy-centric offense won a ton of regular season games then got owned in the playoffs.
I actually assumed the same would happen this offseason if something didn't change.

Though I would prefer that Roy be involved in that change.

Oden - what do we even know about him right now? Most Blazer fans hang their hats on Oden's potential to bring us a championship, but right now we have no idea when he'll even be back on the court. That's a scary prospect. I would love to have Oden back, but at this point I'm ready to start adjusting this team to build for the future. I think our window has shifted.

This was Portland's big gamble and they lost big.
Without Oden the window hasn't just shifted.
It's been boarded up and bricked over.

Aldridge - I still think Aldridge is an All-Star. I don't think he's a #1 option, but he's a guy that can dominate on any given night. We just can't count on him to be a consistent scoring threat. We also can't count on him to be a bruiser. He never will be that guy.

I think the only way for LMA to learn to be the man is to actually be the man for long stretches of time.
This is the season that happens.
We will all see if he has what it takes.

Rudy - We're not even six months removed from this guy basically demanding a trade, or his outright release from the team. This is a guy who threatened to walk away from his contract and sit out the remaining two seasons so he could return to Europe. Forgive me if I don't have much faith in Rudy Fernandez as a part of our future.

I would be all for trading Rudy but for what?
He makes very little money in comparison to his worth to the team.

Rudy also complained about his minutes and role on the team.
Congrats Rudy, you just got a promotion!

Wes Matthews - I had high hopes for Wes, but so far he's been a disappointment. I suspect he's pressing because of his contract, which is adversely affecting his overall play. I think he's a solid defender, but he needs to relax, let the game come to him, and get his shooting back on track. I think he'll work out in the long term.

Me too.
He may be the Micheal Redd to Roy's Ray Allen.
Let's hope he doesn't have Redd's knee troubles along with his game.

Armon Johnson - I like Armon. I think he has a lot of potential and I'd like to see what he can bring to the table with more minutes.

I think you are going to get more of your wish then you might want.

Batum - Nic is a bit of a conundrum. He has so much talent, and so much potential, but is he ready to be a star? He's been a bit inconsistent, but he's shown real flashes of dominance at both ends of the court. I'd like to see him highlighted more by McMillan.

I think this has started to happen already and will become even more so over the course of the season.
Nic is leaving McMillian no choice.

Camby - He was brought in to help us win when it matters. He's a vet with experience in the playoffs, and a former defensive player of the year. He's a great player, but he's not part of our long term future.

He is part of the near future.
Without Camby Portland would have absolutely zero interior defense.


Miller - I've always loved Miller's game, but he was meant to be a short term answer. Similar to Camby, he's a guy who is worthless to this team if we aren't in the playoffs and if we can't move past the first round.

Chances are Miller is AJ's mentor and placeholder.
Portland isn't going to be able to bring in a high quality PG so they are going to try and grow their own.

Przybilla -we have no idea what he's going to bring to the table after two knee surgeries.

I think Joel's game will remain pretty much like it was.
He wasn't exactly a high flier when he was healthy after all.

All I could think of during the OKC game was how nice it will be to have Joel back there when Westbrook drives to the hoop.
Uncontested layups will be a thing of the past.

Cunningham - I like Dante, I think he's a good role player, but he needs to add something to his game to be a more dynamic scorer.

I like Donte as well. Since it's only his second season I think he is doing very well.
He has that mid range jumper that seems to go in at a pretty good clip.
Smart, tough player. I hope they keep him around for awhile.

Babbitt - I haven't seen anything that would lead me to believe this guy is anything more than a scrub.

I call him The Towel since he only goes in when the game is over.
Right now I would say he was a wasted pick but maybe he comes back next year ready to go.
If Reddick can become a quality NBA player then anyone can.

I don't think it's time to rebuild the team, because in my mind a rebuild is a complete blowup of the roster. I think it might be time for a refitting of the roster though. If Oden is out for most of the season, and let's face it, we have no idea when he'll be back, then this season is essentially lost without Roy and Oden. I think Oden, if he can stay healthy, is at least a season away from being able to contribute like he was before the injury. Because of that, I think we should take this season, and possibly next season, and refit our team.

I think the team needs to change it's offensive phillosophy to match it's current personel.
Use Miller to push the ball so that Batum and LMA can take advantage of their speed in the open floor.
Let B-Roy (if he is playing) be the trailer.
 
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Of the current Blazers who will be free agents in 2012, I would rank the importance of re-signing them to a new contract in this order:

Batum
Fernandez
Johnson
Miller
Camby
 
No. I like Andre Miller, this team is closer to a rebuild than a championship run. Right now we have.....

1. An aging PG who can't shoot or play defense
2. A SG with knees 10 years older then his actual age
3. A very good and well rounded SF
4. A good PF that is still shying away from contact
5. A 36 year old center

6. A disgruntled Spanish SG that does not want to be here
7. A total gunner that has been more cold than hot this season
8. A solid tweener that will probably never be anything more than average
9. A promising looking rookie PG who is a jump shot away from being much better than promising
10. A tweener rookie who is a good shooter, but can he defend or rebound?
11. A player in the last year of his deal with what should have been a career ending knee injury
12. A player that has played a total of 1 season in over 3 seasons, that has a contract situation coming up
13. A first round pick who has laready had his first knee surgery
Mills and the tall white stiff don't matter at all.

What's worse is that while I am certainly more of a glass half empty Blazer fan than some, I think my comments were all fair.

Completely fair.
 
Completely fair.

Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but if you think "36 year old center" is a completely fair "evaluation" of what Camby brings and "an aging PG who can't shoot or play defense" is a completely fair "evaluation" of what Andre Miller brings, then here's some more evaluations for you:

Dwight Howard: "center who can't shoot from range"
Carmelo Anthony: "athletic small forward who can't pass"
Chris Paul: "point guard with one knee that's ten years older than this actual age who can't dominate in the post"

Any team with these three players would be in some serious trouble. They all sound terrible.
 
Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but if you think "36 year old center" is a completely fair "evaluation" of what Camby brings and "an aging PG who can't shoot or play defense" is a completely fair "evaluation" of what Andre Miller brings, then here's some more evaluations for you:

Dwight Howard: "center who can't shoot from range"
Carmelo Anthony: "athletic small forward who can't pass"
Chris Paul: "point guard with one knee that's ten years older than this actual age who can't dominate in the post"

Any team with these three players would be in some serious trouble. They all sound terrible.

Are you sure you're not talking about Greg Oden, Nic Batum, and Elliot Williams?
 
Are you sure you're not talking about Greg Oden, Nic Batum, and Elliot Williams?

Batum can pass. Which is why it doesn't apply to those three, and why we're lucky to have Oden, Batum and Williams instead of Howard, Anthony and Paul.
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm perfectly happy to have Miller and Camby on the team -- in fact we'd be fucking dead in the water if it weren't for them -- but neither of those guys is likely to get better with age or suddenly tap into some heretofore undiscovered part of their potential we've never seen before. So in the context of what this roster is and what it's likely to be capable ofm a year or more from now (the whole idea surrounding the initial post asking whether or not Dre' should be resigned in two years) makes them more than capable "now" players, but they're not really part of this team's future.

My understanding was that MM was pointing out the composition of the roster (through a somewhat negative lens) and I was simply stating that it was hard for me to find anything factually wrong with his observations.
 
I was simply stating that it was hard for me to find anything factually wrong with his observations.

Of course there's nothing factually wrong. Just as there was nothing factually wrong with my evaluations of Howard, Anthony and Paul. You can make all factually solid statements and still be intentionally misleading by leaving out other pertinent facts. Which is exactly what MM did.

If someone did exactly the opposite...listed every player by only their strengths and left out all weaknesses, you'd be the first to point out the fallacy I did and probably mock them as a "sunshine pumper." ;)
 
Of course there's nothing factually wrong. Just as there was nothing factually wrong with my evaluations of Howard, Anthony and Paul. You can make all factually solid statements and still be intentionally misleading by leaving out other pertinent facts. Which is exactly what MM did.

If someone did exactly the opposite...listed every player by only their strengths and left out all weaknesses, you'd be the first to point out the fallacy I did and probably mock them as a "sunshine pumper." ;)

You are the Supreme Court of S2... always keeping a balance.
 
Of course there's nothing factually wrong. Just as there was nothing factually wrong with my evaluations of Howard, Anthony and Paul. You can make all factually solid statements and still be intentionally misleading by leaving out other pertinent facts. Which is exactly what MM did.

If someone did exactly the opposite...listed every player by only their strengths and left out all weaknesses, you'd be the first to point out the fallacy I did and probably mock them as a "sunshine pumper." ;)

Well, duh.
 
As I stated in a posting after the one you quoted I don't disagree with anything that MM said about the team.

However, there are a whole ton of things he didn't say about the team that both positive and equally true.
Only listing all of the negative stuff about the players on the team is as pointless as listing only the positive aspects of every player.

Further, wallowing in all the crap that's wrong with the team can't be fun or really even remotely enjoyable.
I was just wondering why anyone would bother doing so.


Further still, the post makes it seem like this is the lowest point in Blazer history.
It's not even close.

You're reading negative stuff into what he said. He never said it was the lowest point in Blazers history. And it wasn't "all the negative stuff." I thought his thoughts on Batum and Johnson were rather hopeful.
 
Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but if you think "36 year old center" is a completely fair "evaluation" of what Camby brings and "an aging PG who can't shoot or play defense" is a completely fair "evaluation" of what Andre Miller brings, then here's some more evaluations for you:

Dwight Howard: "center who can't shoot from range"
Carmelo Anthony: "athletic small forward who can't pass"
Chris Paul: "point guard with one knee that's ten years older than this actual age who can't dominate in the post"

Any team with these three players would be in some serious trouble. They all sound terrible.

MM said Aldridge was a good PF, that Batum was very good, and that Johnson could be promising. He wasn't trying to make every player look terrible. But Andre Miller can't shoot or play defense, take that for what it's worth. And Camby IS 36. He didn't say that was bad or good. That's just what we have, for better or worse, and it means he is more susceptible to injury and will be out of the league in a couple years. That's a fact.
 
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1. An aging PG who can't shoot or play defense

This statement is not accurate. If you meant he can't shoot from 3-point range, you would be correct. However, Andre Miller's 0.477 FG% is higher than all of the following:

Jason Richardson - .475
Kevin Martin - .470
Stephen Curry - .468
Deron Williams - .466
Rajon Rondo - .465
Darren Collison - .465
Manu Ginobili - .465
Jameer Nelson - .461
Tyreke Evans - .456
Russell Westbrook - .452
Eric Gordon - .450
Derrick Rose - .448
Jrue Holiday - .446
Raymond Felton - .446
Joe Johnson - .445
John Wall - .439
Kobe Bryant - .435
Aaron Brooks - .433
Rodney Stuckey - .426
Mike Conley - .421
Brandon Roy - .409
Brandon Jennings - .407
D.J. Augustin - .400
Jason Kidd - .388
Mo Williams - .362

BNM
 
This statement is not accurate. If you meant he can't shoot from 3-point range, you would be correct. However, Andre Miller's 0.477 FG% is higher than all of the following:

Jason Richardson - .475
Kevin Martin - .470
Stephen Curry - .468
Deron Williams - .466
Rajon Rondo - .465
Darren Collison - .465
Manu Ginobili - .465
Jameer Nelson - .461
Tyreke Evans - .456
Russell Westbrook - .452
Eric Gordon - .450
Derrick Rose - .448
Jrue Holiday - .446
Raymond Felton - .446
Joe Johnson - .445
John Wall - .439
Kobe Bryant - .435
Aaron Brooks - .433
Rodney Stuckey - .426
Mike Conley - .421
Brandon Roy - .409
Brandon Jennings - .407
D.J. Augustin - .400
Jason Kidd - .388
Mo Williams - .362

BNM


Now minus layups and floaters. I am speaking in terms of 3's and jump shots. Miller can't make them.
 
Now minus layups and floaters. I am speaking in terms of 3's and jump shots. Miller can't make them.

So, you've modified your original, inaccurate statement. A lay-up or floater counts just as much as a 17-foot jump shot. The fact that Miller can penetrate and get high percentage shots is a plus, not a minus. He also shoots free throws better than over half the guys on that list.

BNM
 

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