Regardless of faith: do you believe the bible is the word of god?

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i look at the bible as a guide line to happiness and being closer to god than it is the word of god. its not really telling you not to do something or how to live but rather trying to help you out. god is a parent to us all. just like parents try to protect their children, god tries to do that with the bible. we're all human and sinners but were still all gods creation and he'll have unconditional love if we go outside his guidelines because we have free will to do what we wish, just like we all did growing up from our parents, but yet for the most part our parents still love us even if we did things they may have not approved of. like the whole premarital sex thing, instead of looking at it as god will burn you in hell for having sex, look at is as maybe i shouldnt go have a one night stand because i can get an std, i can have a child with her who will may live a emotionally damaged life, or have the thought of abortion come into play, which goes into more moral consideration.
 
Yes, absolutely.
 
Thanks for the response, Mags. When you're up here in March, we should meet before a game. I appreciate your perspective, and have some thoughts I'd like to get some clarity on regarding this and the other experience.

Mags, read my lips......Stay clear away from PapaG. Clear away. I'm tellin' ya, he's a wolf in sheep's clothing. Next thing you know, he'll want Blazer tix. Worse yet, he may just be workin' it to come down there to party with (infiltrate) you and your homies! :MARIS61:

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Thanks for the response, Mags. When you're up here in March, we should meet before a game. I appreciate your perspective, and have some thoughts I'd like to get some clarity on regarding this and the other experience.

Absolutely brother. I will pm you my number.
 
Mags, read my lips......Stay clear away from PapaG. Clear away. I'm tellin' ya, he's a wolf in sheep's clothing. Next thing you know, he'll want Blazer tix. Worse yet, he may just be workin' it to come down there to party with (infiltrate) you and your homies! :MARIS61:

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Anytime anyone of you are in SoCal, you are always welcome at my home. Even papa! :P
 
Anytime anyone of you are in SoCal, you are always welcome at my home. Even papa! :P


Of course, you know I'm totally joking about PapaG. Him and I are tight. It's the only way I can get away with joking like this.

Right, Papa? ;)
 
That is another reason why the Book of Mormon is such a great companion and why modern revelation is so important. If we have only one point of reference and no one who truly speaks for God like the prophets of old how are we to determine what is true doctrine and what isn't?
 
That is another reason why the Book of Mormon is such a great companion and why modern revelation is so important. If we have only one point of reference and no one who truly speaks for God like the prophets of old how are we to determine what is true doctrine and what isn't?

Well since you agree that the bible is the word of god, then you should understand why I believe the book of Mormon isn't. The two contridict each other. If the bible says the only way to heaven is not by works but through the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ; yet the book of Mormon believes you need more than that. So I put my faith on christs gift, not works that will always have us fall short of the glory of God.

Also it was clear that we don't need apostols anymore. Why have 12? That is going against the bible as well. And if I don't believe in godhood. I don't think we get to be Gods. We are children of God.
 
We don't need Apostles anymore? Where in the bible is this said? The fractured state of Christianity says otherwise. Are you catholic Mags? If not how do you justify breaking off? Also the phrase "faith without works is dead" is found in the bible, James 2:26. If our works were not important why have commandments? Why have any kind of instruction at all? We are saved by grace after all that we can do, why else would we be here? God gives us his word so we can give it no heed but simply offer lip service? Do you believe Joseph wrote the Book of Mormon? It's obvious he did not, so where did it come from? Your arguments as pretty weak dude. That is like saying a child cannot become a parent, it's progression. Even when children become parents their parents are still their parents and they are still their parent's children. It is the same with is, God will always be our father and will always be above us in progression.
 
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Of course, you know I'm totally joking about PapaG. Him and I are tight. It's the only way I can get away with joking like this.

Right, Papa? ;)

I'm the old and jaded version of my former self.

Serenity now... :)
 
We don't need Apostles anymore? Where in the bible is this said?

Yes, it defines the work of an Apostle as establishing the Faith of Jesus Christ.

Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Ephesians 2:19-22

Since "Christianity" has already been established; there is no need for Apostles. Also, an Apostle must bear witness to Jesus Christ:

And Jesus said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day… And ye are witnesses of these things.

Luke 24:46-48

and

And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.

Acts 4:33

Last time I checked, the mormon faith was only in 19th century. I wasn't aware that Christ resurected then.

Also, Jesus must hand pick the apostle:

nd when it was day, he [JESUS] called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;

Luke 6:13

So here is my summary of why there are no apostles today.

1.) Apostles served as a foundation for the early church.

2.) They must have seen Jesus after his resurection.

3.) Apostles must be hand picked by Jesus.

4.) Must have miracle working power to be an apostle.
 
my answer to the thread question:




no.
 
Here is an interesting overview of the skeptical take on the question (for those that are interested):

http://www.dbskeptic.com/2011/06/08/the-bible-word-of-god-or-myth-of-men/

If the Bible has many errors, contradictions and falsehoods, can it truly be the word of an all-wise God? Or is the Bible more a creation of fallible men who are expounding their own messages while claiming God’s inspiration and approval? The answer has profound implications for Bible believers and their claims about biblical inerrancy.

Whose Bible?

Before we attempt to answer the question whether the Bible was the divine word of God or a man-made myth (only men wrote the Bible – women were viewed as inferior and unworthy), we should first be clear about which Bible we are talking about. Surprisingly, Christian denominations cannot agree on what constitutes inspired Holy Scripture. Is it the Bible of Roman Catholics, Protestants or Orthodox Christians? Roman Catholics claim that the Bible contains 73 canonical (authentic) books, while most Protestants accept only 66 because they reject the Apocryphal/Deuterocanonical books, and Orthodox Christians accept 76 books. Each denomination claims its Bible is the true word of God. Which one is to be believed?
Christian denominations in the world today agree that the New Testament contains 27 books, however there is little consensus among them as to what God’s word really means. Is it any wonder that with over 20,000 denominations, there are competing Christian interpretations about the means to salvation, atonement, the nature of the sacraments, prophecies, Christ’s Second Coming and other doctrines based on the Bible? If God is not the author of confusion or disorder as the Bible says (1 Corinthians 14:33), how is all this disagreement to be explained? Is it not more likely that the Bible is really the work of men, not an all-wise and all-powerful God? Surely God could have provided better guidance and clarity as to which scriptures should have been included in His book and what they mean.

How was the Bible compiled?
The Hebrew (or Old) Testament of 24 books was written from about 1,000 BCE (Before Common Era) to the beginning of the 1st century CE and was not formally agreed to by Jewish rabbis until about the 10th century CE. These books were accepted as canonical mainly because of traditional use. The early Christians used the Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures known as the Septuagint (which included the Apocrypha) that was completed around 200 BCE. The Septuagint translation sometimes varies from the original Hebrew wording (e.g. the Greek version of Psalm 22 claimed by Christians to prophesize Jesus’ crucifixion, says in verse 16, “they pierced my hands and my feet”, but the Hebrew version says “they have hacked off my hands and my feet” (New English Bible translation)). This loss of limbs did not happen to Jesus at his crucifixion.

For the early Christians, deciding on what books to include in the New Testament was complicated. Jesus left no written material before his death about 30 CE. The 27 canonical books of the New Testament were written between about 50 to150 CE. Scholars can determine approximate dates of biblical manuscripts by the material used to write on, the style of writing, historical references in the text, etc. However, there were over 40 other Christian gospels, books and letters in circulation from the second to third centuries (e.g. Gospel of Peter, Gospel of Thomas, Gospel of the Ebionites, Acts of John, 3 Corinthians, etc.), before the canon of the New Testament was finalized late in the fourth century.

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Modern translation bias
Variations in the Bible’s text are not just a result of limited access to the earliest manuscripts or poor translations of the original Hebrew or Greek. One modern translation, namely The New International Version (NIV), is a product of translators who are committed “to the authority and infallibility of the Bible as God’s word in written form.” (NIV Preface, p. xxxiv). These translators have access to the best manuscripts, yet it is disturbing to note what they sometimes choose to leave out or deliberately change in the accepted manuscript translations used in most modern Bible versions.

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Conclusion
Humans throughout history have invented gods in their image – from Yahweh to Baal, from Zeus to Thor, from the Trinity to Allah. The Bible’s authors are no different. They borrow themes and myths from other cultures and over time develop their own fallible views about God, and ponder man’s relationship to the divine.
Unfortunately, the Bible soon begins with the terrible genocide of the world-wide flood and ends with the promise of another end of the world scenario at the Second Coming of Christ to judge mankind. Believers in Christ (only about 30% of the world’s population) will obtain eternal reward in heaven, but non-believers and sinners will suffer not just death (the ultimate punishment of the Old Testament), but this time they will face eternal punishment and torture in hell (Matthew 25:41-46; Revelation 14:9-11). Is this not more reflective of the word of vengeful men at a certain moment in history, than the eternal word of a loving and compassionate God?
To read the Bible as the literal, unerring, prophetic word of God rather than as a man-made religious myth, insults our knowledge of history, science and rational thought. The Book is more a history of the struggle of humans to make sense of their place in the world and the moral issues of their times. As such, the Bible is not the ultimate word, but only a tentative beginning. In essence, it is not God speaking, but man.
 
Here is an interesting overview of the skeptical take on the question (for those that are interested):

http://www.dbskeptic.com/2011/06/08/the-bible-word-of-god-or-myth-of-men/

Yep and that's why I believe the King James Version is the word of God. And more importantly, the New Testament; which is the blueprint and map to accepting Jesus Christ as your Savior. Everything else is important, but not even remotely important as understanding, accepting and embracing Jesus Christ our Lord God.
 
Yep and that's why I believe the King James Version is the word of God. And more importantly, the New Testament; which is the blueprint and map to accepting Jesus Christ as your Savior. Everything else is important, but not even remotely important as understanding, accepting and embracing Jesus Christ our Lord God.

When people talk this, I just can't help but think - brainwash.

You say that (accept Jesus, etc), but where does this idea come from?

Men.

Where did they get it?

They claim god talked to them.

Them, but not you.

Doesn't that make you feel special?

Did you read the article in the link? I only quoted a small portion.

You realize that most bible scholars (most are christians) do not believe that any of the many sacred texts of christianity (many bibles) are the word of god (some believe divinely inspired in part), nor do they believe that the King James version is special in any particular way. The idea that King James is the word of god is common among laypeople and tv preachers (who are not scholars for the most part).
 
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Yeah it's not that hard. If others think I'm brainwashed, then so be it. You can't tell me I'm wrong when I feel soooooo right! ;)


in other words you don't care if you're right as long as what you believe feels good
 
in other words you don't care if you're right as long as what you believe feels good

So, is what you believe supposed to make you feel crappy? To me, that would be idiotic.
 
objective truth has no regard for feelings either way

Objective truth. Nice and tidy, turn-key, easy peasey, and ready to go. I'm all in, baby.
 
Nothing on that anti-bible article swayed my opinion that's it's gods word.

This raises an interesting thought experiment. Theoretically speaking, is there any evidence - any evidence at all - that could possibly convince you that you are wrong about God, the Bible, and everything?
 
This raises an interesting thought experiment. Theoretically speaking, is there any evidence - any evidence at all - that could possibly convince you that you are wrong about God, the Bible, and everything?

Well I am open to anything, but like a son loving their father; I have this same emotional contact with my God. It is a heart-felt Faith, as confident as if I was in love.

Now keep in mind that I was a hell of a skeptic before I was saved. In fact, I actually was on the other end of the spectrum. I got into witch-craft, dark magic and very gothic styles. I did it more as a rebellion because I didn't believe in Heaven or Hell. God or Satan. It was a mockery-type of practice.
 
Well I am open to anything, but like a son loving their father; I have this same emotional contact with my God. It is a heart-felt Faith, as confident as if I was in love.

Now keep in mind that I was a hell of a skeptic before I was saved. In fact, I actually was on the other end of the spectrum. I got into witch-craft, dark magic and very gothic styles. I did it more as a rebellion because I didn't believe in Heaven or Hell. God or Satan. It was a mockery-type of practice.

But again, what exactly would you accept as evidence that you are wrong? What would it take? Would you only be swayed by a change in the feeling in your heart?
 
But again, what exactly would you accept as evidence that you are wrong? What would it take? Would you only be swayed by a change in the feeling in your heart?

To add, I would ask what does his unshakable faith have to do with an ancient book?
 
To add, I would ask what does his unshakable faith have to do with an ancient book?

Without that ancient book to guide me into the right direction. This unmistakable faith happened when I read the bible as a skeptic. The impression it made on me felt supernatural. It was like if I felt concerned about an issue, I would randomly read a passage and it would talk about my concern and how to deal with it. It was the ultimate muse in my life. The holy spirit talked to my heart and the bible confirmed just what my soul was needing at the time.

So it would be hard to disprove this to me. It's right for me. God is right for me. The king James bible is right for me.
 
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