Religious belief stifling U.S. climate change action

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A secondary conclusion to an original study from 2007.

What is this thread supposed to be about?
 
ABM said:
Organized religion sucks. The church stands forever, though.
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Have you ever read Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis? Yeah, it's by the same guy that wrote some good works of fiction, like The Chronicles of Narnia, but he actually approaches Christianity, the modern complaints and conceptions of it at least, in a very interesting way.

That's one of the few books I've read cover to cover more than once. He explains both Christian ideology and doctrine in a modern context very well, offering his own perspective and skepticism along the way. There are a few logical holes in some of his explanations, but they're few and far between, and none the less, it's a great read for a practicing Christian.

The description from Amazon -

In 1941 England, when all hope was threatened by the inhumanity of war, C. S. Lewis was invited to give a series of radio lectures addressing the central issues of Christianity. More than half a century later, these talks continue to retain their poignancy. First heard as informal radio broadcasts on the BBC, the lectures were published as three books and subsequently combined as Mere Christianity. C. S. Lewis proves that "at the center of each there is something, or a Someone, who against all divergences of belief, all differences of temperament, all memories of mutual persecution, speaks with the same voice," rejecting the boundaries that divide Christianity's many denominations. This twentieth century masterpiece provides an unequaled opportunity for believers and nonbelievers alike to hear a powerful, rational case for the Christian faith.
 
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NOVoodoo said:
Have you ever read Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis?
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C.S Lewis is my hero!

Just a few other great books he's written: The Screwtape Letters, The Chronicles, of Narnia, and Pilgrim's Regress.....among many, many others...
 
Denny Crane said:
There aren't billions of people who believe in such things, nor is their history very old.
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come on denny, this kind of statement is beneath you. what people have historically believed is utterly irrelevant. the fact that more people have believed in god is not evidence that god is more likely to exist than fairies. most people who have ever lived have been ignorant morons.
 
NOVoodoo said:
Have you ever read Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis? Yeah, it's by the same guy that wrote some good works of fiction, like The Chronicles of Narnia, but he actually approaches Christianity, the modern complaints and conceptions of it at least, in a very interesting way.

That's one of the few books I've read cover to cover more than once. He explains both Christian ideology and doctrine in a modern context very well, offering his own perspective and skepticism along the way. There are a few logical holes in some of his explanations, but they're few and far between, and none the less, it's a great read for a practicing Christian.
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ouch. i feel sorry for you if you think C.S. Lewis is anything other than a good fiction author. he's not any kind of intellectual and none of his philsophical arguments for theism or christianity are particularly original or even close to sound.
 
crowTrobot said:
come on denny, this kind of statement is beneath you. what people have historically believed is utterly irrelevant. the fact that more people have believed in god is not evidence that god is more likely to exist than fairies. most people who have ever lived have been ignorant morons.
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Read the context again. You agree with Denny here.
 
crowTrobot said:
come on denny, this kind of statement is beneath you. what people have historically believed is utterly irrelevant. the fact that more people have believed in god is not evidence that god is more likely to exist than fairies. most people who have ever lived have been ignorant morons.
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It's something to be said for religion that you can't say about fairies or gremlins or other fictitious characters. That human civilizations isolated from one another by oceans and thousands of miles come up with similar systems of deities distinguishes religion from belief in leprechauns.
 
jlprk said:
Don't. The other side has 10 bristling guys. Why can't we have one.
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Just because you get slapped around like a red headed step child doesn't mean the other side is bristling. You just think being called out is "bristilin" when it's just education.
 
I'm saving my hair brush for you.

(That's what my father used to say as he showed us the hard leather back of his hairbrush. Colonels are sadists.)
 
Denny Crane said:
It's something to be said for religion that you can't say about fairies or gremlins or other fictitious characters. That human civilizations isolated from one another by oceans and thousands of miles come up with similar systems of deities distinguishes religion from belief in leprechauns.
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Darwin wrote about the universal belief in unseen or spiritual agents among less civilized races but doubted whether that qualified as a belief in god or even something that separated us from animals. Ghosts, especially, are more commonly created than gods, and no more plausible as a result.

“There is no evidence that man was aboriginally endowed with the ennobling belief in the existence of an Omnipotent God. On the contrary there is ample evidence, derived not from hasty travellers, but from men who have long resided with savages, that numerous races have existed, and still exist, who have no idea of one or more gods, and who have no words in their languages to express such an idea.”

“[The] idea of a universal and beneficent Creator does not seem to arise in the mind of man, until he has been elevated by long-continued culture.”
 
speeds said:
Darwin wrote about the universal belief in unseen or spiritual agents among less civilized races but doubted whether that qualified as a belief in god or even something that separated us from animals. Ghosts, especially, are more commonly created than gods, and no more plausible as a result.

“There is no evidence that man was aboriginally endowed with the ennobling belief in the existence of an Omnipotent God. On the contrary there is ample evidence, derived not from hasty travellers, but from men who have long resided with savages, that numerous races have existed, and still exist, who have no idea of one or more gods, and who have no words in their languages to express such an idea.”

“[The] idea of a universal and beneficent Creator does not seem to arise in the mind of man, until he has been elevated by long-continued culture.”
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There is no evidence? I think Darwin is wrong on this one. He talks about a christian god.

The poynesians had a sophisticated belief system involving a "family" of gods that wasn't unlike the belief system of the aztecs that wasn't unlike the belief system of the egyptians. I don't think those peoples ever crossed paths in a way that would propagate the idea from one civilization to another.
 
Interesting thesis. Personally, I think climate change has become a religion all its own.
 
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