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Shooter gave me a good idea (and I didn't want to hijack the incest thread. Boy..that sounds funny).

Shooter said:
There IS a debate about the existence of God. However, there is none about the Jedi.
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We should start a debate about it. I'm being honest.

Why are some religious "facts" (or the foundation of a religion) ok, and others are not?

Why are there some religions (Scientology or Mormonism) that are routinely mocked for their founding beliefs (not necessarily by you Shooter), but others are not? I know it's popular to both make fun of Catholics and Christians, and to play the victim role as a Catholic or Christian, but I think that's not as common as people think.

How is the founding of the Mormon church any more credible than that of Jedi's? Or Scientology? That's some crazy shit.

But the funny thing is, there is some crazy shit in the founding of the Jewish, Catholic/Christian religions too. Why is one persons strange story valid and another is not?

Also, why is it that the same story of Christ (son of a virgin, heal the sick, a John the Baptist character beheaded, rising from the dead, had a kick ass Iroc) is evident in other cultures prior to the story of Christ?

I'm not saying that to prove one way or the other, but to open it up for Debate.

I think it'd be fun to debate that stuff, without judging someone for believing or not believing (it's incredibly hard for either side to not judge someone, overtly or not).
 
Why not say what you really mean, you think Obama is not only the anti-Christ but also a Sith.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Why not say what you really mean, you think Obama is not only the anti-Christ but also a Sith.
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Those are not the droids you're looking for...
 
I am religious. And I am pretty careful to not mock some of the so-called "strange" or "crazy" religions, since many / most religions have portions that are pretty far out there, including my own.

I am a believer that people shouldn't take everything in their religion's doctrine literally. I don't think the bible should be taken literally.

I like to look at the big picture of the religion and ask if it makes sense for me.

For example: Christianity - living your life as Jesus did. As a general, big-picture guideline, it is pretty hard to go wrong with that.

I don't know what the big-picture, over-arching message of Scientology.
 
The cause of the worlds problems is organized religion.

Dubya talked to god before making the decision to bomb Iraq.

Osama said it's a religious duty to obtain nuclear weapons to wipe out the infidels.

There is no god of theology. Something created the Universe but it's not the guy sitting on a thrown in heaven looking down on us granting prayers like a genie in a bottle.
 
Fez said:
The cause of the worlds problems is organized religion.
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We wouldn't have hunger, or disease, or cancer, or violence, or greed, etc if we didn't have organized religion?

Interesting position to have. :dunno:
 
I think a lot of the mockery of the other religions comes down to either a misunderstanding of the religion or the "unknown" of the religion. I'm not saying that some religions aren't wacko, just that the mockery starts with those first items.

We're all raised by parents with certain belief sets. And whether we claim our independence from our parent's beliefs or not, there is always that tinge of their belief system that resides in us. Add to that the environment and culture around us and that affects our perception of others.

It's, in a very basic way, much like eating animals. We wouldn't eat dogs, but others would and we find it disgusting. Others find us eating cows disgusting. Why is one right and one wrong?

I think in the end it comes down to whether a religion agrees with very core principles that you believe in about life and/or your purpose within it.
 
yakbladder said:
I think a lot of the mockery of the other religions comes down to either a misunderstanding of the religion or the "unknown" of the religion. I'm not saying that some religions aren't wacko, just that the mockery starts with those first items.
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blazerboy30 said:
I am religious. And I am pretty careful to not mock some of the so-called "strange" or "crazy" religions, since many / most religions have portions that are pretty far out there, including my own...
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i am agnostic/atheist, and it is this reason why I love it when i get my Christian friends to mock Scientology or Mormonism... MMMmmm hypocrisy
 
A real discussion on this topic would be interesting. Unfortunately, these things always devolve into trash talking.
 
e_blazer said:
A real discussion on this topic would be interesting. Unfortunately, these things always devolve into trash talking.
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I had hoped it would have been civil, but I think I set a standard that did not start off that way.
 
julius said:
I had hoped it would have been civil, but I think I set a standard that did not start off that way.
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Nah, I was the one who hijacked it and sent it spiraling towards crazy land.
 
We're ultimately all praying to the same God. As in, each religion has their own hierarchy of religious icons, and each religion has their own "bible," etc...etc....but ultimately it was all created from the simple belief in a God. Culture, then language, and now greed and fear have blurred the lines and created disharmony among "different" religions. At least that is my theory in a small nut shell.

What is God? Don't know, but I do know that something created all this, and I believe it's (a) God, because what I see around me didn't just "happen." That is as basic as it gets. And I am certainly a believer.

Organized religion is dangerous. This coming from an ex leader of a christian outreach program after I graduated high school. I've had years of experience with organized religion, and though it blessed me with a ton of great friends and experiences, it ultimately taught me every thing I needed to know about religion. I don't have to be part of an "organization" to have a relationship with God. No one does.
 
MARIS61 said:
Religion is a waste of humanity.
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but how will you keep the street sweepers doing their jobs?:dunno:

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The Professional Fan said:
We're ultimately all praying to the same God. As in, each religion has their own hierarchy of religious icons, and each religion has their own "bible," etc...etc....but ultimately it was all created from the simple belief in a God. Culture, then language, and now greed and fear have blurred the lines and created disharmony among "different" religions. At least that is my theory in a small nut shell.

What is God? Don't know, but I do know that something created all this, and I believe it's (a) God, because what I see around me didn't just "happen." That is as basic as it gets. And I am certainly a believer.

Organized religion is dangerous. This coming from an ex leader of a christian outreach program after I graduated high school. I've had years of experience with organized religion, and though it blessed me with a ton of great friends and experiences, it ultimately taught me every thing I needed to know about religion. I don't have to be part of an "organization" to have a relationship with God. No one does.
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but then what do you believe? The Bible was created by organized religion, so are you picking and choosing which organized religion is okay? The Catholics back in the day chose which books went into the new testament and which were rejected.
 
just go back and read any of the numerous threads on this subject to know exactly how this one will turn out.
 
bigbailes said:
just go back and read any of the numerous threads on this subject to know exactly how this one will turn out.
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No, no, this time we are going to resolve it, once and for all. This is the thread future historians will refer to when they talk about the end of thousands of years of debate over religion.

barfo
 
julius said:
Shooter gave me a good idea (and I didn't want to hijack the incest thread. Boy..that sounds funny).

We should start a debate about it. I'm being honest.

Why are some religious "facts" (or the foundation of a religion) ok, and others are not?

Why are there some religions (Scientology or Mormonism) that are routinely mocked for their founding beliefs (not necessarily by you Shooter), but others are not? I know it's popular to both make fun of Catholics and Christians, and to play the victim role as a Catholic or Christian, but I think that's not as common as people think.

How is the founding of the Mormon church any more credible than that of Jedi's? Or Scientology? That's some crazy shit.

But the funny thing is, there is some crazy shit in the founding of the Jewish, Catholic/Christian religions too. Why is one persons strange story valid and another is not?

Also, why is it that the same story of Christ (son of a virgin, heal the sick, a John the Baptist character beheaded, rising from the dead, had a kick ass Iroc) is evident in other cultures prior to the story of Christ?

I'm not saying that to prove one way or the other, but to open it up for Debate.

I think it'd be fun to debate that stuff, without judging someone for believing or not believing (it's incredibly hard for either side to not judge someone, overtly or not).
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it seems fairly simple to me. scientology is mocked because it was started by a science fiction writer less than 60 years ago. seems fairly easy that it could be dismissed as not being real. a similar thing could be said about mormonism and its creation less than 200 years ago.

why would scientology or mormonism be as credible as that of christianity or judaism or islam or hinduism?
 
rocketeer said:
it seems fairly simple to me. scientology is mocked because it was started by a science fiction writer less than 60 years ago. seems fairly easy that it could be dismissed as not being real. a similar thing could be said about mormonism and its creation less than 200 years ago.

why would scientology or mormonism be as credible as that of christianity or judaism or islam or hinduism?
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why wouldn't they be? What does age have to do with it?

There are religions older than christianity. Should we take those more seriously?

barfo
 
barfo said:
why wouldn't they be? What does age have to do with it?

There are religions older than christianity. Should we take those more seriously?

barfo
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I don't think he was implying the age is what matters. I think he was implying that if a religion is started today, based on events we know did not happen, it would be taken less seriously.
 
blazerboy30 said:
I don't think he was implying the age is what matters. I think he was implying that if a religion is started today, based on events we know did not happen, it would be taken less seriously.
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It depends on if you believe those events happened though.
 
There is nothing to debate. On the religious side you have a bunch of folks who have no proof what they believe in exist, and on the scientific side you have a bunch of folks who can't prove that the stuff on the religious folks side doesn't exist, because unfortunately, it is very hard to research something that does not exist, so you will never find proof it doesn't exist. It is similar to chasing bigfoot or the lockness monster. But much harder.
 
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