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Treaty_of_Batum said:
And all the religious people disagree. Imagine that.
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Any intelligent atheist should read the disparity of the population pool and see it was not random at all, and simply move on, rather than accepting a flawed study that confirms their belief structure.
 
I won't even get into the discussion that Atheism, in and of itself, is a belief system that isn't based on much more than faith.
 
PapaG said:
^^THIS^^

I post this as a non-religious agnostic. The uber-intelligent atheists patting themselves on the back for this study in this thread didn't even read the details of the study, which is clearly biased and is completely unscientific. That is ironic. Denny, take notes on the irony.
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You would think a group claiming they are more intelligent would see such a blatant observation. Instead they took it as empirical and look like fools when called out.

The ones that ignored the study and saw it for what it was; I pat their back. At least Denny saw it for that. He explained the demographic problem in the study.

But then again, Denny is not an atheist. He's an agnostic; whom I believe are the most analytical group of thinkers. Atheists are about as dogmatic as the theists.
 
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PapaG said:
Any intelligent atheist should read the disparity of the population pool and see it was not random at all, and simply move on, rather than accepting a flawed study that confirms their belief structure.
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Exactly... Pretty obvious the motives.
 
PapaG said:
I won't even get into the discussion that Atheism, in and of itself, is a belief system that isn't based on much more than faith.
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HerpDerp post #gazillion
 
There may or may not be a difference in intelligence, but either way I think it's a very bad road to go down. No matter what group we are in, there is a natural tendency to look at those outside our group as inferior in some way. In some cases those reasons might be supportable and others not, but either way it really solidifies the us vs them mentality that has been the real root cause of most evil done in this world from how the Native Americans were treated to how the Nazi's treated their "others". And Hitler certainly used his bullshit version of science as an excuse for his actions.

I think it's fine to think you as an individual is smarter than some other individual, or to think your philosophy/religion/atheism is a more intelligent outlook, but don't get confused in thinking that just because the outlook is smarter that the people who subscribe to the outlook are smarter.

I admit, I have fallen into this trap on many occasions, it's an easy trap to fall into because it makes you feel valuable. But it's very dangerous to really start believing this.
 
DaLincolnJones said:
what ever the true number, (and I was just kidding when I posted that) the fault is not on God..he has given us all free will..he has sent out the invites and if they are refused..well, thats on those who choose to not attend..
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genuine belief or disbelief is never a matter of free will. it is always compelled by evidence.

you certainly have free will to brainwash yourself that the sun revolves around the earth, but you do not have the free will choice to genuinely believe it.
 
PapaG said:
I won't even get into the discussion that Atheism, in and of itself, is a belief system that isn't based on much more than faith.
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and based on your semantics there are no atheists posting in this thread so you're just boring everyone repeating this.
 
crowTrobot said:
genuine belief or disbelief is never a matter of free will. it is always compelled by evidence.

you certainly have free will to brainwash yourself that the sun revolves around the earth, but you do not have the free will choice to genuinely believe it.
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Curious what scripture in the bible talks about the sun revolving around the earth. You have it on hand?
 
magnifier661 said:
Ohrely?!?! I saw 4 already.
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Not according to your and PapaG's opinion of what an atheist is. If we're not atheists to you, why do you keep calling us that?

Also when I commented in this thread, I wasn't specifically commented on this article or study. I have been saying for years that more intelligent people are less likely to be religious. That's common sense to me, it's painfully obvious.
 
DaLincolnJones said:
meh..dont bother bud, the word of God has little value for those of the world..
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Well it's generalized with Catholics as some sort of doctrine for all Christians. Obviously a smart man would know that. Maybe the study is backwards?
 
VanillaGorilla said:
Not according to your and PapaG's opinion of what an atheist is. If we're not atheists to you, why do you keep calling us that?

Also when I commented in this thread, I wasn't specifically commented on this article or study. I have been saying for years that more intelligent people are less likely to be religious. That's common sense to me, it's painfully obvious.
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You are absolutely right, but crowtbot thinks otherwise. It's a reply to him and his definition of declared atheists.
 
magnifier661 said:
Curious what scripture in the bible talks about the sun revolving around the earth. You have it on hand?
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that was just a random example of something nobody (sane) has a choice in the matter of genuine belief about. point was genuine belief or disbelief is not a choice. if belief were a choice it would be by definition self-brainwashing.
 
crowTrobot said:
that was just a random example of something nobody (sane) has a choice in the matter of genuine belief about. point was genuine belief or disbelief is not a choice. if belief were a choice it would be by definition self-brainwashing.
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Well then it doesn't apply to Christians. Glad you cleared that up.
 
crowTrobot said:
that was just a random example of something nobody (sane) has a choice in the matter of genuine belief about. point was genuine belief or disbelief is not a choice. if belief were a choice it would be by definition self-brainwashing.
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how can you deny free will? To me, that is as obvious as gravity..
 
DaLincolnJones said:
meh..dont bother bud, the word of God has little value for those of the world..
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point had nothing to do with the bible. presumably you have reasons (evidence) to believe the bible is true external to the book itself. you aren't just choosing to believe it is true.
 
crowTrobot said:
that was just a random example of something nobody (sane) has a choice in the matter of genuine belief about. point was genuine belief or disbelief is not a choice. if belief were a choice it would be by definition self-brainwashing.
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hold on..let me retract the question..the very statement you make describes your free will..
 
Sadly, proof by analogy isn't a strong case. Especially when they don't get that it's an analogy or the point of it.
 
Denny Crane said:
Sadly, proof by analogy isn't a strong case. Especially when they don't get that it's an analogy or the point of it.
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Or not. Obviously that was a dig directed towards theist (preferably Christians). But your strawman and hyperbole is expected.
 
magnifier661 said:
You are absolutely right, but crowtbot thinks otherwise.
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Hu? You already conceded I am not an atheist by the uselessly strict definition you are using - in which you include that Atheists by definition must make the positive claim that untestable hypothesis such as Deism and Pantheism are necessarily false.

Presumably even Maris isn't strictly an Atheist by your/PapaG's definition. It's possible Atheists don't exist by your definition.
 
crowTrobot said:
Hu? You already conceded I am not an atheist by the uselessly strict definition you are using - in which you include that Atheists by definition must make the positive claim that untestable hypothesis such as Deism and Pantheism are necessarily false.

Presumably even Maris isn't strictly an Atheist by your/PapaG's definition. It's possible Atheists don't exist by your definition.
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awwww come on..according to the OP study, you guys are all far too smart to buy that....
 
crowTrobot said:
Hu? You already conceded I am not an atheist by the uselessly strict definition you are using - in which you include that Atheists by definition must make the positive claim that untestable hypothesis such as Deism and Pantheism are necessarily false.

Presumably even Maris isn't strictly an Atheist by your/PapaG's definition. It's possible Atheists don't exist by your definition.
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What an argument. I was replying to you saying there wasn't any. And since you believe they are atheists, then it applies. Don't get nitpickey with me agnostic
 
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