Remind me what we got for Zach Randolph.

[KingSpeed]

I forget.

He's an All Star now. What did we get in return? We must've gotten somebody good, right?

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Sorry, but what is the point to this thread? I recommend giving this thread the cold shoulder.

 

[LameR]

Sorry, but what is the point to this thread? I recommend giving this thread the cold shoulder.

This.

Silly kingspeed.

 

[Miksaid]

We got nothing.

KP dropped the ball on this one. And for the record, I thought this trade stunk at the time.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Channing Frye
Trade exp. ---> James Jones and Rudy Fernandez

Not one player panned out and the last of the three likely has seen his last days as a Blazer.

 

[jlprk]

Instead of the usual $3M payment to get rid of someone, Pritchard paid $30M (Francis' salary). After giving away Frye instead of bundling him in a trade to get something like Whitsitt would have done, Frye had a higher A/TO ratio in the playoffs against us than Steve Nash.

As long as I'm talking about helping our playoff opponent--remember our 2nd-to last preseason cut, Jason Collins--Pritchard phoned around to find him a team to land on, and the Suns took him on Pritchard's recommendation. Against us in the postseason, Collins' stats are low, but he's filled in for 14 minutes per average game for 5 games, so he's good enough to give others a long rest against us so they can return from the bench and beat us.

 

[Natebishop3]

Instead of the usual $3M payment to get rid of someone, Pritchard paid $30M (Francis' salary). After giving away Frye instead of bundling him in a trade to get something like Whitsitt would have done, Frye had a higher A/TO ratio in the playoffs against us than Steve Nash.

As long as I'm talking about helping our playoff opponent--remember our 2nd-to last preseason cut, Jason Collins--Pritchard phoned around to find him a team to land on, and the Suns took him on Pritchard's recommendation. Against us in the postseason, Collins' stats are low, but he's filled in for 14 minutes per average game for 5 games, so he's good enough to give others a long rest against us so they can return from the bench and beat us.

Yeah, fuck KP for trying to help a good guy out....

 

[KingSpeed]

Instead of the usual $3M payment to get rid of someone, Pritchard paid $30M (Francis' salary). After giving away Frye instead of bundling him in a trade to get something like Whitsitt would have done, Frye had a higher A/TO ratio in the playoffs against us than Steve Nash.

As long as I'm talking about helping our playoff opponent--remember our 2nd-to last preseason cut, Jason Collins--Pritchard phoned around to find him a team to land on, and the Suns took him on Pritchard's recommendation. Against us in the postseason, Collins' stats are low, but he's filled in for 14 minutes per average game for 5 games, so he's good enough to give others a long rest against us so they can return from the bench and beat us.

You're confusing twins. We had Jason Collins but the Suns have Jarron Collins.

 

[KingSpeed]

We got nothing.

KP dropped the ball on this one. And for the record, I thought this trade stunk at the time.

I was devastated by the trade at the time. I was thinking Shawn Marion, Richard Jefferson, Rashard Lewis, or at least Tayshaun Prince. I honestly thought our team was about to become Blake, Roy, Marion, Aldridge, Oden and I thought that team could contend almost immediately. But we didn't get Marion and Oden turned out to be a project. An injured project. Fuck me. Did Frye really drop 20/8 on us? Fuck.

 

[axs88]

You're confusing twins. We had Jason Collins but the Suns have Jarron Collins.

I'm pretty sure it was Jarron.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

This is very simple:

We got rid of one very bad headache.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

I'm pretty sure it was Jarron.

You are correct.

http://valleyofthesuns.com/2009/10/26/suns-claim-center-jarron-collins/

 

[KingSpeed]

This is very simple:

We got rid of one very bad headache.

He's a headache to his opponents. He did things in this league that haven't been done in over 30 years this season (65 & 42 in two nights) and his presence led the Grizzlies to a 16 game improvement in one season. And he made the All Star team.

You just can't let an impact player like that go for nothing. You have to get value. If you give up a perennial 20-10 player, you have to get something back in return. KP got NOTHING.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

He's a headache to his opponents. He did things in this league that haven't been done in over 30 years this season (65 & 42 in two nights) and his presence led the Grizzlies to a 16 game improvement in one season. And he made the All Star team.

You just can't let an impact player like that go for nothing. You have to get value. If you give up a perennial 20-10 player, you have to get something back in return. KP got NOTHING.

He was a headache to the Blazers, to the Knicks, and then to the Clippers. That it took him four teams in three years to finally realize he needed to change isn't a ringing endorsement, and I'm sure the Grizzlies improvement had nothing to do with another year for OJ Mayo, Rudy Gay and Mike Conley, Jr.

Impact players generally do not miss the playoffs for the majority of their careers.

 

[Sug]

We got into the playoffs and were able to add key players with the financial savings. I bet there would be no Dre Miller with ZBO still around, or Marcus Camby for that matter. So there you go.

 

[LittleAlex]

He's a headache to his opponents. He did things in this league that haven't been done in over 30 years this season (65 & 42 in two nights) and his presence led the Grizzlies to a 16 game improvement in one season. And he made the All Star team.

You just can't let an impact player like that go for nothing. You have to get value. If you give up a perennial 20-10 player, you have to get something back in return. KP got NOTHING.

Did you ever even watch this pile of shit play? The most empty, meaningless 20/10 guy in the history of basketball.

Great for your fantasy league, shitty for a real team.

There is a reason such a valuable player is now on his fourth team and it isn't because he is just so awesome no team can contain him.

He plays ZERO defense.
He is most definitely a ball hog.
He was playing for an extension this season so he tried not to be a total douche bag.
Just wait until some team extends this moron.

I was giddy when they sent Fat Randolph down the river and laughed my ass off at the fools who thought NY had gotten a steal.
No one in NY feels that way now.

Zach sucked. He was a lazy head case who didn't give a shit about anything but his own stat line in the box score. His trade was addition through subtraction.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.

 

[blue32]

I think we traded Zach for Mix and KS......

 

[STOMP]

I forget.

He's an All Star now. What did we get in return? We must've gotten somebody good, right?

Portland got the best offer out there for a player that had worn out his welcome. Remember? Congrats to ZR for seeming to have kept his nose clean since (not that we would really know), but life doesn't exist in a vacuum... had he not bottomed out career wise maybe he's not enjoying a career year several seasons later?

If you want to look at the bright side of this for Portland, the club wouldn't have had the room under the cap to sign FA Miller this past offseason had they kept him and I'm certainly not missing his D

STOMP

 

[Nikolokolus]

I'm pretty sure it was Jarron.

Yes

 

[Kaydow]

Well this had to be KP's worst move. Just think about the championships he just GAVE New York. Clearly, this was worse than the "Gasol" Trade.

[video=youtube;NaVa6NHwUUg]

 

[maxiep]

My only issue with the Zach Randolph trade was that we didn't insist that they trade us Malk Rose for Darius Miles in addition. Rose would not only have brought a needed vet presence, but had a 2009 expiring deal.

Other than that issue, that trade helped everyone. We were able to clear the "leadership" in the lockerroom and allow it to be filled by guys like Brandon, Steve, Joel and LMA. Zach was able to hit rock bottom, getting traded for scraps a couple of times and making something out of his talent.

 

[Ed O]

The trade sucked at the time and should not have been made. It was a classic attempt of "addition by subtraction"... which almost never works, and certainly didn't this time.

Ed O.

 

[maxiep]

The trade sucked at the time and should not have been made. It was a classic attempt of "addition by subtraction"... which almost never works, and certainly didn't this time.

Ed O.

I was strongly against the move at the time, but not because we dumped Zach for less talent. I was against it because it didn't solve our Darius problem, and at the time, Zach was the best chit to rid ourselves of Darius. BTW, I don't include Rudy in that deal.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

The trade sucked at the time and should not have been made. It was a classic attempt of "addition by subtraction"... which almost never works, and certainly didn't this time.

Ed O.

Still don't believe in chemistry, eh Ed?

 

[Kaydow]

I was strongly against the move at the time, but not because we dumped Zach for less talent. I was against it because it didn't solve our Darius problem, and at the time, Zach was the best chit to rid ourselves of Darius. BTW, I don't include Rudy in that deal.

That's what I thought too. I was hoping we could unload Z-Bo and Miles in one fell swoop. Zach was an idiot, and KP was backed into a corner - a prisoner of his own pledge to create a new culture here. When the entire league knows you want to dump somebody, good luck getting value in return. I actually didn't mind Zach as a player. Sure his defense is weak, but if you pair him with a good defensive center it isn't as visible. But his antics got old (to say the least), and it was time for him to go.

 

[BGrantFan]

The trade sucked at the time and should not have been made. It was a classic attempt of "addition by subtraction"... which almost never works, and certainly didn't this time.

Ed O.

Well, if you judge success by wins, which I do, then clearly the "addition by subtraction" approach did work. Z-RO still hasn't played in a non-Blazer playoff game; we just enjoyed our 2nd consecutive 50-win season. Zach is Shareef Abdur-Rahim on steroids.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

[video=youtube;yfa83E2Q5aY]

After the 20 misses, check out the defense at 1:20.

I can bring up Hoops Family, giving false statements to the Anderson police after a member of this group shot someone, punching a teammate because he was sticking up for someone with as low of character as Q Woods, and bereaving at a strip club. We could keep going about incidents like this.

As it has already been said, we do not get Andre Miller without cap space. We probably do not have the financial ability to give Camby an extension if Zach is still on the payroll next year. The Clippers and Knicks also got nothing in return for him.

 

[RR7]

That's what I thought too. I was hoping we could unload Z-Bo and Miles in one fell swoop. Zach was an idiot, and KP was backed into a corner - a prisoner of his own pledge to create a new culture here. When the entire league knows you want to dump somebody, good luck getting value in return. I actually didn't mind Zach as a player. Sure his defense is weak, but if you pair him with a good defensive center it isn't as visible. But his antics got old (to say the least), and it was time for him to go.

From what I remember reading, there was a deal to include Miles with Zach, but Paul Allen nixed that idea, because of his infatuation with Miles. So I don't think you can complain about the deal, or blame KP for not also moving Miles, when ownership wasn't going to allow it to happen.

In regards to addition by subtraction, what exactly would you base saying it did not work on?

 

[Kaydow]

[video=youtube;yfa83E2Q5aY]

After the 20 misses, check out the defense at 1:20.

I can bring up Hoops Family, giving false statements to the Anderson police after a member of this group shot someone, punching a teammate because he was sticking up for someone with as low of character as Q Woods, and bereaving at a strip club. We could keep going about incidents like this.

As it has already been said, we do not get Andre Miller without cap space. We probably do not have the financial ability to give Camby an extension if Zach is still on the payroll next year. The Clippers and Knicks also got nothing in return for him.

I've never seen that in an NBA game, not even in mop-up/garbage time. What a schmuck.

 

[Masbee]

I forget.

He's an All Star now. What did we get in return? We must've gotten somebody good, right?

I was against the trade.

Look it up.