Remotely plausible Roy trades?

[Rastapopoulos]

Let's have 'em. They have to pass ESPN Trade Machine, mind - and he's BYC, making it EXTRA hard.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Roy and Joel for Vince Carter. Yes, it sucks for us, but Orlando might risk taking on Roy's contract, especially as Carter has been terrible of late. And maybe they can throw in the rights to Fran Vasquez, who is actually a very solid defender at C.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Roy
Oden
Armon
Rudy

for
Bynum
Luke Walton

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=25m3t5p


I have a theory Roy is trying to go to LA. This trade sucks, I would burn the Rose Garden down if this shit went down.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Roy and Joel for Andrei Kirilenko. I actually don't mind this one. Kirilenko's massive contract runs out at the end of this season, but I like him as a player, particularly playing PF in a smallball lineup (which has worked for us of late). And I actually think Roy could be productive in a Sloan system - Sloan got great mileage out of Jeff Hornacek who was smaller and less athletic even than Roy is now. Roy wouldn't be forced to go one-on-one, and if he was on a new team I think he'd put in the effort to change his game a little. Trouble is, the Jazz are cheap.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Roy
Oden
Armon
Rudy

for
Bynum
Luke Walton

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=25m3t5p

You think we're going to trade for the only center that makes Oden look vaguely durable? At this point, we'd trade Roy for a stiff, but he'd have to be a healthy stiff.

I have a theory Roy is trying to go to LA.

Whether or not he's trying to, it actually makes a scary lot of sense. He could be a bigger Derek Fisher! And he could play with Blake again. I think Roy would really work in the Triangle - he could be 2000 Ron Harper, complete with crap knees, only with a jump shot!

But please, if we're going to sell out, at least make it worth our while.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

/Medical retirement.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=23tnowa

Roy + Oden + Camby

for

Haywood + Terry + Chandler + Barea

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Roy and Joel for Stephen Jackson and scrubs. I like wacko Jacko, he's a winner, and he's made noises about wanting out of Charlotte. Meanwhile, Larry Brown will work with veterans who have talent even if they have "issues" (e.g., Hot Plate Williams' obesity issues). Mark Jackson played successfully for Brown for years, despite having no speed and and no shot.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Whether or not he's trying to, it actually makes a scary lot of sense. He could be a bigger Derek Fisher! And he could play with Blake again. I think Roy would really work in the Triangle - he could be 2000 Ron Harper, complete with crap knees, only with a jump shot!

But please, if we're going to sell out, at least make it worth our while.

Yeah. He's always been a lakers fan, according to his bio...and is "Kobe Approved".

 

[Rastapopoulos]

/Medical retirement.

Yeah, I'm sure Roy will greet that as enthusiastically as Darius Miles. And the Grizzlies would probably gleefully pull the same shit.

 

[Nikolokolus]

There isn't a single realistic scenario anybody can throw out there. Period.

Given the state of his knees, his BYC status, his max contract, the years left and the fact that his production has basically fallen off of a cliff, he is without a shadow of a doubt the least tradeable player in the NBA. If you don't believe me look at the rest of the crappy contracts around the league, he's got them all beat.

 

[MickZagger]

lol.

No one is going to trade for Roy until he has 1 year left on his contract.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

There isn't a single realistic scenario anybody can throw out there. Period.

Given the state of his knees, his BYC status, his max contract, the years left and the fact that his production has basically fallen off of a cliff, he is without a shadow of a doubt the least tradeable player in the NBA. If you don't believe me look at the rest of the crappy contract players in the NBA, he's got them all beat.

You have to look at desparate teams to trade Roy too...teams that want to win a ring but can't because they're missing that one piece. Places like Phoenix or Dallas...and package Roy with Camby and/or Miller for a biggish contract that doesn't do much.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=23tnowa
Roy + Oden + Camby
for
Haywood + Terry + Chandler + Barea

Both Oden and Camby are either too valuable (yes, even Oden - I believe in the Great Pumpkin) or have attractively-expiring contracts for rebuilding. So if it takes them to get rid of Roy, then screw trading him. Unless it's for someone actually good and actually young. And that rules out all of the Mavs we'd acquire there.

 

[Nikolokolus]

You have to look at desparate teams to trade Roy too...teams that want to win a ring but can't because they're missing that one piece. Places like Phoenix or Dallas...and package Roy with Camby and/or Miller for a biggish contract that doesn't do much.

In what universe is Roy the missing piece to a championship puzzle? He's already shown he's not very effective in a supporting cast role because of his dodgy off-the-ball skills, he's not a drop dead shooter off of the catch and he can no longer finish. Even if some team is desparate for a veteran point guard or center like Camby they'll just look elsewhere amongst the other 28 teams for a trade partner if taking Roy is the price.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

In what universe is Roy the missing piece to a championship puzzle? He's already shown he's not very effective in a supporting cast role because of his dodgy off-the-ball skills, he's not a drop dead shooter off of the catch and he can no longer finish. Even if some team is desparte for a veteran point guard or center like Camby they'll just look elsewhere amongst the other 28 teams for a trade partner if taking Roy is the price.

He could magically get better. Might be shutting it down and playing lazy because he just doesn't care because not much chance of winning.

For a team like Dallas or Phoenix, might be good to have an extra option for Roy on pennies on the dollar. They're in the waning years of their contention so do something or go home.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

There isn't a single realistic scenario anybody can throw out there. Period.
Given the state of his knees, his BYC status, his max contract, the years left and the fact that his production has basically fallen off of a cliff, he is without a shadow of a doubt the least tradeable player in the NBA. If you don't believe me look at the rest of the crappy contracts around the league, he's got them all beat.

Hey, if his knees are that bad, then we could force him to take medical retirement.
But, to take up your challenge: Michael Redd, Elton Brand, Rashard Lewis, Gilbert Arenas.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I'm not on the boat of trading Roy. There's nothing we can get for him really anyways. I think he's kind of pouting/playing slow because he doesn't like Miller and there's not much chance of winning with Oden so he doesn't really care.

 

[Nikolokolus]

He could magically get better. Might be shutting it down and playing lazy because he just doesn't care because not much chance of winning.

For a team like Dallas or Phoenix, might be good to have an extra option for Roy on pennies on the dollar. They're in the waning years of their contention so do something or go home.

If you're aware of a magic spell that regrows meniscii I'm all for hearing about it. Beyond that, just because a team's window of opportunity is right now, doesn't mean they're going to cripple their franchise with 5 years 85 million on a player who can barely drag his leg around the court.

You people might as well start embracing the hard truth; we're stuck with him for the next few years.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Hey, if his knees are that bad, then we could force him to take medical retirement.
But, to take up your challenge: Michael Redd, Elton Brand, Rashard Lewis, Gilbert Arenas.

All of those guys have contracts that expire sooner than Roy.

Next.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

If you're aware of a magic spell that regrows meniscii I'm all for hearing about it. Beyond that, just because a team's window of opportunity is right now, doesn't mean they're going to cripple their franchise with 5 years 85 million on a player who can barely drag his leg around the court.

You people might as well start embracing the hard truth; we're stuck with him for the next few years.

For a team like Dallas that has no chance, if trading for Roy can get them Camby for a really quick run to push them over the top you have to do it. I figure the Dirk-led Mavricks have about 5 years left anyway, so where's the harm. Its not like they'll be able to get any impact players to push them over the top anyways. All they lose are some scrubs that expire in 2 years...

 

[Nikolokolus]

Hey Kingspeed help me out. What's that thing in chess when your king runs out of moves and your opponent has you cornered?

Well whatever it is, that's where this team is in terms of moves with Roy.

 

[Nikolokolus]

For a team like Dallas that has no chance, if trading for Roy can get them Camby for a really quick run to push them over the top you have to do it. I figure the Dirk-led Mavricks have about 5 years left anyway, so where's the harm. Its not like they'll be able to get any impact players to push them over the top anyways. All they lose are some scrubs that expire in 2 years...

They've already got Haywood and Chandler. Camby does nothing for them that they don't arlready have.

 

[Natebishop3]

I tried to work one out a few weeks ago. His contract is almost unreadable as a BYC

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[Rastapopoulos]

All of those guys have contracts that expire sooner than Roy.
Next.

a) That's only the sole criterion for actually non-playing...erm, players. And whatever we think about it, Roy actually gets minutes (he has been leading the team in +/-).
b) Players can adapt to their altered situation in the right environment. Two classic examples: Ron Harper (watching him hobble up the court was even more painful than Roy) and Tim Hardaway (he was "bone on bone" when he was still at GSW, which is why Adelman wouldn't play him. But Riley traded for him and he had several great years in Miami.
c) Do we know about "early termination" clauses?
d) Don't underestimate the "oh god, is he STILL on our roster?" mentality that could cause teams to swap headaches.
e) Some of those players have larger contracts so are currently played more, and teams could gamble that either (1) the new CBA would have a "dump crap salaries" option or (2) if Roy's knees are really totally buggered they could get a medical retirement and get Roy off the books.

Don't fixate on length of contract. Sometimes length isn't important, you know!

 

[Natebishop3]

I would wait until we see what happens with the new CBA.

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[MickZagger]

I'm not on the boat of trading Roy. There's nothing we can get for him really anyways. I think he's kind of pouting/playing slow because he doesn't like Miller and there's not much chance of winning with Oden so he doesn't really care.

Have you been watching the games? Roy clearly looks frustrated because he doesn't have what he used to. His lackluster play has nothing to do with him not getting along with Miller.

 

[Nikolokolus]

a) That's only the sole criterion for actually non-playing...erm, players. And whatever we think about it, Roy actually gets minutes (he has been leading the team in +/-).
b) Players can adapt to their altered situation in the right environment. Two classic examples: Ron Harper (watching him hobble up the court was even more painful than Roy) and Tim Hardaway (he was "bone on bone" when he was still at GSW, which is why Adelman wouldn't play him. But Riley traded for him and he had several great years in Miami.
c) Do we know about "early termination" clauses?
d) Don't underestimate the "oh god, is he STILL on our roster?" mentality that could cause teams to swap headaches.
e) Some of those players have larger contracts so are currently played more, and teams could gamble that either (1) the new CBA would have a "dump crap salaries" option or (2) if Roy's knees are really totally buggered they could get a medical retirement and get Roy off the books.

Don't fixate on length of contract. Sometimes length isn't important, you know!

a) as for productivity, I'd take any of those guys you mentioned over the current version of Roy we're seeing on a nightly basis with the exception of maybe Michael Redd, but at least he can catch and shoot.

b) Roy hasn't appeared very "adaptable" during his health crisis. That's understandable from a human perspective, but given his strengths as an NBA player I find it somewhat hard to believe that he's suddenly going to morph into a complimentary type player.

c) He's got a player option for his fifth year, he'd be insane not to exercise it.

d) I still don't see the motivation for taking on his deal in this situation when you'd be stuck with him for 5 years.

e) If the new CBA includes a contract dumping option (like it did the last time) why not just dump your own crap instead of trading for crap? And gambling on medical retirement also raises another question: How does Roy get past a physical?

 

[jlprk]

Hey Kingspeed help me out. What's that thing in chess when your king runs out of moves and your opponent has you cornered?

Well whatever it is, that's where this team is in terms of moves with Roy.

I'd be way ahead of my little brother, laughing at him, and wondering why is this humiliated guy making these stupid moves, exchanging pieces. Then suddenly he'd yell a few times, "STALEMATE" and run laughing out of the room.

If I beat him, he'd run out of the room crying. Chess is more emotional than other sports. For some reason, he hates me now. Wonder why.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Brandon Roy and Joel Przybilla for Gilbert Arenas

Boom.