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What do you think about the (mostly) Republican attempt to nix the repealing of DADT (don't ask, don't tell)?

I think it's typical chicken shit behavior by angry, bigoted and ignorant out of touch people.
 
I know there were 60 votes to pass the repeal, but Reid deliberately chose a procedure/process that assured its failure.

For political purposes.

With 59 votes in the senate, they knew they could pass the uber expensive and unpopular health care bill. Yet this time they didn't count the votes? Oh yeah, they did count the votes as they always do. They knew the outcome before it was brought up for the vote.
 
I know there were 60 votes to pass the repeal, but Reid deliberately chose a procedure/process that assured its failure.

For political purposes.

With 59 votes in the senate, they knew they could pass the uber expensive and unpopular health care bill. Yet this time they didn't count the votes? Oh yeah, they did count the votes as they always do. They knew the outcome before it was brought up for the vote.

Don't get me wrong, the D's are just as guilty of being spineless chickenshits too.
 
http://washingtonindependent.com/98...ids-plan-for-dream-act-and-dont-ask-dont-tell

Collins, Snowe Hesitate to Support Reid’s Plan for DREAM Act and Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid needs 60 votes to overcome a Republican filibuster on the defense authorization bill, which some senators have threatened to block because Reid plans to attach to the DREAM Act and a repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell. Centrist Republican senators like Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe of Maine are considered crucial to this effort — but they have indicated they may be unwilling to cross the aisle during today’s vote.

During a floor speech today, Collins said she is in a tough position: She supports a repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, but opposes Reid’s decision to allow only two amendments to the defense authorization bill. Reid said he would limit amendments to three: a repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell; the DREAM Act; and an amendment to ban the practice of placing “secret holds” on presidential nominees.

“I will defend the right of my colleagues to offer amendments on this issue and other issues that are being brought up in connection with the defense authorization bill,” Collins said. “They need to have a civil, fair and open debate on the Senate floor.”
 
He had her vote if he wanted it.
 
Why not just vote on the bill on its own merits. Why attach illegal amnesty to it?
 
Why not just vote on the bill on its own merits. Why attach illegal amnesty to it?

For two reasons:
1) They counted the votes and new it would fail. They intend to use it as a campaign issue.
2) They want to get out of town early so they can campaign longer.
 
I think DADT should be repealed. There's nothing wrong with being gay and if a serviceperson wishes to be out of the closet, it's no skin off my nose. We ask these people to serve with honor; being honest about who you are and true to yourself is the very definition of honor.
 
I think DADT should be repealed. There's nothing wrong with being gay and if a serviceperson wishes to be out of the closet, it's no skin off my nose. We ask these people to serve with honor; being honest about who you are and true to yourself is the very definition of honor.

Unfortunately, there is not a drop of honor in either party in Washington.
 
Have there been in depth studies on the effects of repealing DADT?

Surely there will be some sort of effect. Measurable even. Wonder if its been looked at.
 
Have there been in depth studies on the effects of repealing DADT?

Surely there will be some sort of effect. Measurable even. Wonder if its been looked at.

Hmm, does the DOD do any research? I think they might. I suspect they've studied it twelve ways to Sunday.

barfo
 
they don't really have a say in the matter. It'd be important to gain more support if a study showed positive impact, not just anecdotal "soldier reactions".
 
they don't really have a say in the matter. It'd be important to gain more support if a study showed positive impact, not just anecdotal "soldier reactions".

I can't figure out what you are trying to say here. Where did anecdotal "soldier reactions" come from?

barfo
 
so...if the democrats didn't add all this illegal alien shit to the DADT, this would have been repealed.

so...julius...are the democrats the "typical chicken shit behavior by angry, bigoted and ignorant out of touch people. "????
 
I can't figure out what you are trying to say here. Where did anecdotal "soldier reactions" come from?

barfo

real and current studies on the impact of allowing gays to serve openly in the military. most of the stuff on the news are various people giving anecdotal accounts on how gays can serve in the military with little to no negative effects. They should conduct studies that conclusively prove that. there seems to be a study from the APA...anything else?
 
real and current studies on the impact of allowing gays to serve openly in the military. most of the stuff on the news are various people giving anecdotal accounts on how gays can serve in the military with little to no negative effects. They should conduct studies that conclusively prove that. there seems to be a study from the APA...anything else?

Yes, of course what's on the news is anecdotal. That's what the news is these days.
That has nothing to do with whether they've done research on the subject.

barfo
 
so...if the democrats didn't add all this illegal alien shit to the DADT, this would have been repealed.

so...julius...are the democrats the "typical chicken shit behavior by angry, bigoted and ignorant out of touch people. "????

Or if it was presented as a straight majority vote, rather than using the procedural method that requires a 2/3 majority vote to pass.
 
The reality of it is that if DADT were repealed and gays were allowed to serve openly, there would be incidents of prejudice and violence in the military. Change happens. The same things occurred when blacks were integrated into the military.
 
The reality of it is that if DADT were repealed and gays were allowed to serve openly, there would be incidents of prejudice and violence in the military. Change happens. The same things occurred when blacks were integrated into the military.

Probably hazing too. and increased claims of sexual harassment.
 
in our college dorms we had a gay dude on our floor. no one really minded him but he would stare at us when we were taking showers. it was a bit creepy (and flattering, no homo). we eventually gave him a nickname and sometimes put on a show for him (no homo) for which he got embarassed and left the bathroom. we all had a good laugh about it.

dude was actually a flight attendant a few years ago on one of my flights from LAX to Portland.
 
in our college dorms we had a gay dude on our floor. no one really minded him but he would stare at us when we were taking showers. it was a bit creepy (and flattering, no homo). we eventually gave him a nickname and sometimes put on a show for him (no homo) for which he got embarassed and left the bathroom. we all had a good laugh about it.

dude was actually a flight attendant a few years ago on one of my flights from LAX to Portland.

Did you put on a show for him for old time's sake?
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/21/AR2010092105113_pf.html

Do-nothing Democrats
By Dana Milbank
Wednesday, September 22, 2010; A23

Reporters walking into House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer's office Tuesday morning noticed an open supply cabinet with a tape measure on the shelf.

It was a strange bit of office equipment. Are Democrats so resigned to defeat that they're expecting Republicans to stop by and take measurements of the majority offices?

They still have their largest majority in decades, but the Democrats have succumbed to paralysis in the closing days of the legislative session. Congress has yet to pass a budget or a single one of the annual spending bills. Plans to spur the economy with tax cuts await action. Senate Democrats, faced with a GOP filibuster, have now punted on immigration reform and repeal of the "don't ask, don't tell" policy on gays in the military. Meanwhile, House Democrats have so little on their schedule that their first vote of the week is coming at 6 p.m. on Wednesday, when Americans are most of the way through their workweeks.

Among the items they'll consider: H.R. 1545, "Expressing support for designation of the week beginning on the third Monday in September as 'National Postdoc Appreciation Week.' " And: H.R. 4387, naming the building at 100 North Palafox St. in Pensacola, Fla., the "Winston E. Arnow Federal Building."

"Your schedule," Linda Scott of PBS remarked to Hoyer at Tuesday morning's meeting, "looks pretty light." She asked whether Democrats are "telling you they need to be back home, rather than naming post offices?"

"We always name post offices," Hoyer replied with irritation. "It's a worthwhile endeavor to do that, and people really do appreciate it, particularly when it's their name and their community."
 
Call me crazy, but I don't want homophobes representing my interests abroad. If you can't handle going to war with a gay man next to you, then its apparent to me that your homophobia trumps your patriotism and that makes me question your ability to fight for our country.
 
Have there been in depth studies on the effects of repealing DADT?

Surely there will be some sort of effect. Measurable even. Wonder if its been looked at.

Do the experiences of a dozen or so other countries count? Including Israel, whose armed forces are hardly ornamental.

There is 17 years experience of DADT. 100% bad.
 
Call me crazy, but I don't want homophobes representing my interests abroad. If you can't handle going to war with a gay man next to you, then its apparent to me that your homophobia trumps your patriotism and that makes me question your ability to fight for our country.

Many of the army soldiers are kids from the ghetto who just don't have options. Military recruiters are pretty agressive to fill their quotas.
 
Call me crazy, but I don't want homophobes representing my interests abroad. If you can't handle going to war with a gay man next to you, then its apparent to me that your homophobia trumps your patriotism and that makes me question your ability to fight for our country.



Crazy! j/k

Anyhow, I want soldiers who kill the enemy fighting our battles. I honestly could not care less what their political and social ideologies are, or whether they bang guys, gals, or both. I just want them to kick ass and stay alive, regardless.
 
Well, I don't want soldiers who don't believe in Global Warming. :ohno:
 

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