Science Report: Mental Health Crises Spike Among Youth

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yankeesince59 said:
Social media is a bi-product of lazy parenting. And many parents themselves, are also tethered to their phones/social media.

Often times, those same parents, who don't want to be bothered by actually spending time with their children, instead simply pacify them with cell phones/video games. (cheap baby sitting)


A lot of people who have children are also the people who are least prepared to raise them.
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Agree with all these points.
 
Phatguysrule said:
If you have some evidence that the rise in suicides or suicide attempts is due in part to active shooter drills in school then I would be more than happy to look at it.
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I’m sure having to pretend there is somebody outside you classroom killing people everyday probably messes with one’s head after a while.
 
THE HCP said:
I’m sure having to pretend there is somebody outside you classroom killing people everyday probably messes with one’s head after a while.
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Honestly it would probably turn into a joke after the first couple days.

Either way, if they were doing that daily I think I'd pull my kids out of such a horrible school.

Why on earth would you focus so much time and energy on something that has a lower mortality rate in the US than lightning strikes? Literally, in the US lightening kills 3x as many people every year as school shooters.

Yes, it's terrible when it happens. And yes, we should get serious about figuring out why people want to do this and treating them. And preventing them from getting this way.

But let's be real. People have had easier access to guns all of US history than they do right now. Something else has changed.
 
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THE HCP said:
But everything out there is available to EVERY kid. They all have the same access to sites about murder and sex and whatever. It's HOW the kids were raised that is the deciding factor of how they use this unfiltered info. In my above post I said that there are obviously outside influences and things happen. I know for a fact that the girls my daughters age that we've been around now for 13 years. I nailed it back when they were leaving elementary school. I told my wife the exact 5 or 6 of them that were going to get into some serious shit as they got older.....simply based on their parents. Either not there, or didn't give a fuck....and BAM it happened. The ones who are the whores and trouble makers and partiers are those.
Of course there are ones who had great parents and shit happened, but not the majority by any means. Parents need to be engaged and available plain and simple. We have never ONCE told our kids they couldn't look at stuff or read stuff....they know we are always there for them to ask questions to and talk......and we do. To simply blanket blame the internet is naive, foolish and lazy.
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Agree with you to a degree and don't think anyone is tossing ALL the blame on parents or social media, but it's a number of different factors. I work at an inner city high school, two miles from the Rio Grande and there are a lot of times I have students that are struggling, when I look up their info, more times than not it's only mom on the call log and brothers/sisters with MULTIPLE last names. We know that parents are working harder than ever and in many cases, the students are working decent hours just to help out at home. I'm well aware of a lot of the hardships that these kids are going through and try to give them as many breaks as possible, while still reasonably preparing them for the real world.
 
THE HCP said:
I’m sure having to pretend there is somebody outside you classroom killing people everyday probably messes with one’s head after a while.
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Not sure about other schools but the students I'm around really don't think about school shootings that much when I talk to them about things ... they are much more worried about normal kid shit that we all thought was important back in the day and Uvalde is about 80 miles away from us. If anything (sadly) they have been more annoyed at the safety measures we have taken like locking every single door/gate and being much more vigilant about the coming and going of people in the halls.
 
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No causal link has been found between acts of physical violence and video games, but some research suggests gaming could be an outlet for aggression
 
The rest of the world (well, the developed world) has social media and video games and violent movies. Wonder how the US compares to them in murder rates, crime rates, etc.
 
julius said:
The rest of the world (well, the developed world) has social media and video games and violent movies. Wonder how the US compares to them in murder rates, crime rates, etc.
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^^^Valid question. I found a couple tales showing social media use and gun ownership, though I can't vouch for their accuracy.

Here is a table showing the top 20 countries with the Most Number of Social Media Users and total population as of 2023:

China 1,021.96 million 1,212.38 million
India 755.47 million 1,177.5 million
USA 302.25 million 327.22 million
Indonesia 217.53 million 261.7 million
Brazil 165.45 million 188.35 million
Russia 115.05 million 126.37 million
Japan 101.98 million 113.03 million
Mexico 98.21 million 122.07 million
Philippines 84.07 million 92.68 million
Vietnam 72.29 million 81.63 million
Turkey 67.11 million 76.58 million
UK 61.67 million 65.23 million
Germany 60.88 million 73.15 million
Thailand 56.27 million 59.32 million
France 48.71 million 56.62 million
South Korea 46.09 million 47.61 million
Italy 43.31 million 46.89 million
Nigeria 38.47 million 91.55 million
Canada 34.47 million 38.93 million
Bangladesh 24.49 million 33.6 million


Top 10 Countries with Highest Gun Ownership (Civilian guns owned per 100 people):
  1. United States - 120.5
  2. Falkland Islands - 62.1
  3. Yemen - 52.8
  4. New Caledonia - 42.5
  5. Serbia - 39.1 (tie)
  6. Montenegro - 39.1 (tie)
  7. Uruguay - 34.7 (tie)
  8. Canada - 34.7 (tie)
  9. Cyprus - 34
  10. Finland - 32.4
 
yankeesince59 said:
Social media is a bi-product of lazy parenting. And many parents themselves, are also tethered to their phones/social media.

Often times, those same parents, who don't want to be bothered by actually spending time with their children, instead simply pacify them with cell phones/video games. (cheap baby sitting)


A lot of people who have children are also the people who are least prepared to raise them.
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I’m not saying that you’re wrong, but my parents didn’t spend time with me. I played with my own toys. I used my imagination. I read books. I would go shoot hoops. I’d go play with the other kids in the neighborhood.

For my parents it was even more so. They were completely on their own most of the time.

I was reading that kids just don’t go outside anymore. They stay in and play video games or sit on their phones. It’s not on the parents to spend all their time with their kids. Kids should be able to entertain themselves at times.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I’m not saying that you’re wrong, but my parents didn’t spend time with me. I played with my own toys. I used my imagination. I read books. I would go shoot hoops. I’d go play with the other kids in the neighborhood.

For my parents it was even more so. They were completely on their own most of the time.

I was reading that kids just don’t go outside anymore. They stay in and play video games or sit on their phones. It’s not on the parents to spend all their time with their kids. Kids should be able to entertain themselves at times.
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Nate, just curious, how old are you?
 
I agree that a lot of the issue is on parents lack of involvement. I am going to use the Pandemic for an example. Kids were doing school from home. In the district my kids go to, if the kid logged into their class each day, not doing any work, just logging in they would get a "C" and pass. Over 50% of the kids failed their classes. Over 50% of the parents could not even be bothered to have a discussion with their kids and make sure they were logging in. Less then 5 minutes and all those kids would have passed, but the parents were not involved and didn't make their kids a priority. This is not on the schools, who a large majority of those parents blamed, this is total lack of parenting from the parents. If they parents can't spend 5 minutes a day having a conversation and making sure their kids were logging into school, what else are they not bothered with. Parents don't have to spend all their times on their kids, but to many don't spend any time and then point the blame elsewhere instead of looking in the mirror where the biggest problem is.
 
yankeesince59 said:
Nate, just curious, how old are you?
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41.

My dad didn’t hardly spend any time with me when I was a kid. My mom was super involved but I have two annoying sisters so she was busy all the time.

I just entertained myself but I did spend a lot of time outside which wasn’t uncommon among my friends. We would play soldier or we would go shoot hoops.
 
twobullz said:
I agree that a lot of the issue is on parents lack of involvement. I am going to use the Pandemic for an example. Kids were doing school from home. In the district my kids go to, if the kid logged into their class each day, not doing any work, just logging in they would get a "C" and pass. Over 50% of the kids failed their classes. Over 50% of the parents could not even be bothered to have a discussion with their kids and make sure they were logging in. Less then 5 minutes and all those kids would have passed, but the parents were not involved and didn't make their kids a priority. This is not on the schools, who a large majority of those parents blamed, this is total lack of parenting from the parents. If they parents can't spend 5 minutes a day having a conversation and making sure their kids were logging into school, what else are they not bothered with. Parents don't have to spend all their times on their kids, but to many don't spend any time and then point the blame elsewhere instead of looking in the mirror where the biggest problem is.
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What if both parents work? Who was supposed to be there to make sure they logged in for each class?
 
twobullz said:
I agree that a lot of the issue is on parents lack of involvement. I am going to use the Pandemic for an example. Kids were doing school from home. In the district my kids go to, if the kid logged into their class each day, not doing any work, just logging in they would get a "C" and pass. Over 50% of the kids failed their classes. Over 50% of the parents could not even be bothered to have a discussion with their kids and make sure they were logging in. Less then 5 minutes and all those kids would have passed, but the parents were not involved and didn't make their kids a priority. This is not on the schools, who a large majority of those parents blamed, this is total lack of parenting from the parents. If they parents can't spend 5 minutes a day having a conversation and making sure their kids were logging into school, what else are they not bothered with. Parents don't have to spend all their times on their kids, but to many don't spend any time and then point the blame elsewhere instead of looking in the mirror where the biggest problem is.
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Agreed...unfortunately, many parents wrongly believe that it's the school systems' job to raise their kids for them.
 
Natebishop3 said:
What if both parents work? Who was supposed to be there to make sure they logged in for each class?
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They could log in at any point in a 24 hour day. I doubt many parents are working 24/7. That is just an excuse. It was all videos they just had to log in at some point during the day. My wife and I both work and both of our daughters maintained their 4.0 grade point average during it, which means they were doing more then just logging in. When we got home we checked in with our kids and made sure they were doing their work. It was not hard and never took more then a few minutes a day. So the work excuse is nothing more then an excuse.
 
Natebishop3 said:
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My dad didn’t hardly spend any time with me when I was a kid. My mom was super involved but I have two annoying sisters so she was busy all the time.

I just entertained myself but I did spend a lot of time outside which wasn’t uncommon among my friends. We would play soldier or we would go shoot hoops.
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Ahh, OK...I just wondered how prevalent social media and /or video game were when you were a kid. Not sure about you, but when I was a youngster there was not a whole lot to do inside unless it was heaven forbid, raining outside. When it wasn't raining I was always outside playing baseball, shooting marbles, camping out, etc.
 
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twobullz said:
They could log in at any point in a 24 hour day. I doubt many parents are working 24/7. That is just an excuse. It was all videos they just had to log in at some point during the day. My wife and I both work and both of our daughters maintained their 4.0 grade point average during it, which means they were doing more then just logging in. When we got home we checked in with our kids and made sure they were doing their work. It was not hard and never took more then a few minutes a day. So the work excuse is nothing more then an excuse.
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You didn’t mention that they were recordings. That makes more sense.
 
yankeesince59 said:
Ahh, OK...I just wondered how prevalent social media and /or video game were when you were a kid. Not sure about you, but when I was a youngster there was not a whole lot to do inside unless it was heaven forbid, raining outside. When is wasn't rain I was always outside playing baseball, shooting marbles, camping out, etc.
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Yeah video games were pretty new and the internet wasn’t really a thing until I was older. And even then it was pretty limited.

Parents and kids today face a new problem that humans haven’t faced before.
 
Natebishop3 said:
You didn’t mention that they were recordings. That makes more sense.
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Sorry yeah, the teachers recorded all of their daily classes and uploaded them for the kids to watch . There really was no reason any kids didn't pass their classes. The district made sure every kid had a chrome book and provided hot spots to any child whose family didn't have internet so they could log in. It was just not a priority to the kids or family.
 
twobullz said:
They could log in at any point in a 24 hour day. I doubt many parents are working 24/7. That is just an excuse. It was all videos they just had to log in at some point during the day. My wife and I both work and both of our daughters maintained their 4.0 grade point average during it, which means they were doing more then just logging in. When we got home we checked in with our kids and made sure they were doing their work. It was not hard and never took more then a few minutes a day. So the work excuse is nothing more then an excuse.
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Salute'...you and your bride evidently did spend time with them while at home and on weekends.
 
twobullz said:
They could log in at any point in a 24 hour day. I doubt many parents are working 24/7. That is just an excuse. It was all videos they just had to log in at some point during the day. My wife and I both work and both of our daughters maintained their 4.0 grade point average during it, which means they were doing more then just logging in. When we got home we checked in with our kids and made sure they were doing their work. It was not hard and never took more than a few minutes a day. So the work excuse is nothing more than an excuse.
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I commend you and your wife, great job!
 
The findings are hardly surprising; there's so many factors to it, you can't math it out correctly off the cuff. I'd only suggest that knowledge of how the world works, how the world should work, what they want and what they're allowed to get all contribute to a feeling of hopelessness, helplessness, and despair.

But this is a bullshit conversation anyway: the adults in charge don't give a shit if kids kill themselves; if they did, trans rights would be a huge priority (giving trans kids support drops their suicide rate by 73% according to studies).

An adult can care about their kids. But adults as a demographic don't care about kids as a demographic nearly enough. And the reason people blame social media is because social media shows kids that cold truth. I have to admit, if I was a 10-year old trans kid today, I'd have a fucking hard time not killing myself. The unvarnished hate, loud and proud and obvious, would just be too much.

If social media is the problem, it's because social media presents kids with society. And if you've taken a good long look at society, you know it's hard not to feel hopeless. That is not social media's fault; it is society's fault. We've done this to our kids.
 
This just in, kids are cruel to other kids, on and off social media.
 
Everything Beagle said:
(giving trans kids support drops their suicide rate by 73% according to studies)
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I have seen this parroted around a lot, but it seems to come from one study that reported that "adolescents and young adults who received puberty blockers or gender-affirming hormones had 60% lower odds of depression and 73% lower odds of self-harm or suicidal thoughts." Emphasis mine.

And even that statistic seems to be sensationalized (or intentionally misleading). From a review of the study, "At baseline, 59% of the treatment-naive kids experienced moderate to severe depression. Twelve months later, 56% of the kids on GAM experienced moderate to severe depression. At baseline, 45% of the treatment-naive kids experienced self-harm or suicidal thoughts. Twelve months later, 37% of the kids on GAM did. These are not meaningful differences: The kids in the study arrived with what appear to be alarmingly high rates of mental health problems, many of them went on blockers or hormones, and they exited the study with what appear to be alarmingly high rates of mental health problems."
 
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VanillaGorilla said:
I have seen this parroted around a lot, but it seems to come from one study that reported that "adolescents and young adults who received puberty blockers or gender-affirming hormones had 60% lower odds of depression and 73% lower odds of self-harm or suicidal thoughts." Emphasis mine.

And even that statistic seems to be sensationalized (or intentionally misleading). From a review of the study, "At baseline, 59% of the treatment-naive kids experienced moderate to severe depression. Twelve months later, 56% of the kids on GAM experienced moderate to severe depression. At baseline, 45% of the treatment-naive kids experienced self-harm or suicidal thoughts. Twelve months later, 37% of the kids on GAM did. These are not meaningful differences: The kids in the study arrived with what appear to be alarmingly high rates of mental health problems, many of them went on blockers or hormones, and they exited the study with what appear to be alarmingly high rates of mental health problems."
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Thanks for the clarification! I hope that nobody takes this review of the study as evidence that GAM is not good (it is) and that someday a study can be done in an environment where being trans isn’t literal hell, and so becoming trans can be studied without the noise of people hating trans people for being trans.
 
Hoopguru said:
I commend you and your wife, great job!
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It is just sad to me how many parents are not involved in their kids lives. One of my girls lost a friend to suicide. They were a very kind and happy kid, but their parents never showed up for events, whether day or night. Just no involvement. They would always run up with a smile and talk with my wife and I. I talked with them just a couple days before their suicide and they were so happy. I just wonder what could have been done to save them. I have no idea about their home life, but know that the parents were never around. I now go out of my way even more to make sure and cheer and support those kind of kids whose parents are never around. Just a little support in their lives to hopefully let them know that people care. If you go to events in schools, always support all the kids because you never know who is struggling and not getting the support they need at home.
 
Thought we were supposed to keep certain topics in certain threads?
 
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I can totally see how spiking a kid like a football can cause mental problems. Always try to spike them so they land feet first.
 
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