REPORT: Millsap offer official now. Sent to Utah.

[B-Roy]

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Question for the CBA guys. If Portland makes a front-loaded offer ($10M; $9M; $8M; $8M) to Milsap, and Milsap signs up; is Utah stuck with that structure, or could they somehow change it? I don't think Utah can change it on their own, but what if they do a deal with the Blazers (that Milsap likes)?

I'm wondering what happens if Portland send Milsap a 10/9/8/8 offer, he signs it, then Utah give up and approves the Chicago deal. Can Utah end up with a 8/8/9/10 offer to Milsap, or are they stuck with the original Portland offer?

They are stuck with the offer. It's match or bye Millsap.

 

[Reep]

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So what is the Blazers' preference? Force Utah to match and then trade Boozer to get us Hinrich?
Or try to get Millsap altogether for ourselves?

Or do we see both options being equally as good for us?

I think they may look at it as a win/win. If you get Hinrich (and more I hope) then you improve. If you end up with Milsap, then you have your backup PF and a possible trade asset. At the same time you have weakened a rival team, who could easily be without a starting power forward after next season.

 

[RoyToy]

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It doesn't sound like it is quite the poison pill the Vikings did a few years ago, but putting the money up front is the idea. The Vikings contract stated Hutchinson MUST be the highest paid offensive lineman on the team.

 

[Reep]

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They are stuck with the offer. It's match or bye Millsap.

Even if the Blazers, Jazz and Milsap all agree to something else?

 

[B-Roy]

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Even if the Blazers, Jazz and Milsap all agree to something else?

Once Millsap signs that offer sheet, the Blazers and Jazz are stuck with it. Even if they figure out another deal, the Jazz have to match the offer sheet or Portland will end up with Millsap as well.

 

[RickyRubio]

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Even if the Blazers, Jazz and Milsap all agree to something else?

No. You can't just willy nilly change offers.

 

[The Professional Fan]

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Apparently the offer is very front loaded with a lot of bonuses. Quick "knows" the amount but won't say. Also says it makes him the highest paid player next year for the Blazers, if he does indeed sign it.

Would that be the "toxic" element that was discussed earlier? I wonder if the Blazers actually want Millsap instead of just using this as a tactic to get Utah to make the Chicago/Portland trade (Hinrich to PDX).

I wonder if Portland is targeting BOTH players? Make the offer to Millsap so "toxic" that they cannot match, then swing a deal for Hinrich that involves Travis. The third element to this being an awesome idea is that we'd stick Utah, a division opponent, with an All-Star PF (Boozer) that is going to bolt at his first possible opportunity. What a win if we had a hand in Utah losing both guys.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

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I wouldn't read anything into it one way or another. The ESPN article I linked said that Utah may just trade Boozer elsewhere for cheap in order to save the cash and not have Milsap go to a conference rival, with the definitive goal being "Anywhere but Portland".

You keep saying this but only OKC, Portland, and Memphis have cap space left. Memphis doesn't have enough and OKC I don't believe wants to spend their money right now. If they did they would have been able to offer as much /more than Portland could to Millsap/Lee.

 

[RickyRubio]

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You keep saying this but only OKC, Portland, and Memphis have cap space left. Memphis doesn't have enough and OKC I don't believe wants to spend their money right now. If they did they would have been able to offer as much /more than Portland could to Millsap/Lee.

Why would Memphis want Millsap? They just got Z-Ro.

 

[illmatic99]

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I might be wrong, but if the Blazers have made an offer, they couldn't pull off a trade using their capspace at the same time, right?

 

[The Professional Fan]

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You keep saying this but only OKC, Portland, and Memphis have cap space left. Memphis doesn't have enough and OKC I don't believe wants to spend their money right now. If they did they would have been able to offer as much /more than Portland could to Millsap/Lee.

I do find it interesting that OKC hasn't been involved in any of the FA negotiations/rumors. At least very, very few. I personally haven't read any.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

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You sure that OKC wouldn't? They have their perimeter pretty well sorted with Westbrook, Harden and Durant. What they need most is a legitimate post presence and Boozer gives them a post scorer and rebounder. It seems like they could be quite interested in Boozer.

I've thought about this. It's been said that OKC wants to save their money. They're not going to start paying Boozer $13M and likely still not make the playoffs. Chances are Boozer bolts to greener pastures after next season anyway.

I don't think Portland would've made this move if they though OKC would fuck it up.

 

[Boob-No-More]

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+1.

Portland needs Hinrich more than Milsap. This is just Porltand's way of forcing Utah's hand. I just hope they get more than Hinrich out of it. Hinrich for $9M in cap space is questionable to me, and when you have the upper hand you should be able to get more out. The problem is that Utah doesn't really have anything that we need (that they would give up under this scenario).

Pritchard/Penn need to structure this deal like Colangelo did the Hedo/Marion 4-team swap - so that we use all our cap space consumating the trade, and then get our MLE and bi-annual exceptions to use on other players. I'd hate to blow all our cap space on Hinrich and also be with out the exceptions. That would be a let down.

But, with Boozer's large contract involved and the the Blazers being under the cap, we wouldn't require a 4th team (like Memphis in the TOR/DAL/ORL/MEM trade) to make this happen. Utah would basically get a big traded player exception and they could use the money cleared by shipping Boozer to pay Millsap and stay under the luxury tax threshold. Chicago, by shipping out both Hinrich and Thomas would be able to absorb Boozer's salary and also stay under the luxury tax threshold. So, since we are helping out both these teams, we should be able to get more than Hinrich out of the deal. If we can land Hinrich and still have the MLE to use on Brandon Bass, that wouldn't be too bad.

BNM

 

[The Professional Fan]

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I might be wrong, but if the Blazers have made an offer, they couldn't pull off a trade using their capspace at the same time, right?

I think you're correct. At least that's how I understand it.

 

[RickyRubio]

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Would that be the "toxic" element that was discussed earlier? I wonder if the Blazers actually want Millsap instead of just using this as a tactic to get Utah to make the Chicago/Portland trade (Hinrich to PDX).

I wonder if Portland is targeting BOTH players? Make the offer to Millsap so "toxic" that they cannot match, then swing a deal for Hinrich that involves Travis. The third element to this being an awesome idea is that we'd stick Utah, a division opponent, with an All-Star PF (Boozer) that is going to bolt at his first possible opportunity. What a win if we had a hand in Utah losing both guys.

I just have to type this out and look at it.

Hinrich\Blake\Bayless
Roy\Rudy
Batum\Webster
LMA\Millsap\Pendergraph
Oden\Joel

Wow, I would say that is a good offseason.

 

[B-Roy]

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I might be wrong, but if the Blazers have made an offer, they couldn't pull off a trade using their capspace at the same time, right?

Nope, they can't. This locks them up for the next 7 days.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

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Or do we see both options being equally as good for us?

That's what I think the goal is. Either way we gain a bigger asset than we had before making the offer.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

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Nope, they can't. This locks them up for the next 7 days.

UNLESS the Jazz matches. Which they would the minute they agreed on a trade with the Blazers and a third team!

 

[The Professional Fan]

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I just have to type this out and look at it.

Hinrich\Blake\Bayless
Roy\Rudy
Batume\Webster
LMA\Millsap\Pendergraph
Oden\Joel

Wow, I would say that is a good offseason.

It would certainly put an end to all this ridiculous negativity being thrown KP's way.

 

[B-Roy]

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UNLESS the Jazz matches. Which they would the minute they agreed on a trade with the Blazers and a third team!

Assuming that happens, yes.

 

[Boob-No-More]

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You keep saying this but only OKC, Portland, and Memphis have cap space left. Memphis doesn't have enough and OKC I don't believe wants to spend their money right now. If they did they would have been able to offer as much /more than Portland could to Millsap/Lee.

Memphis blew their cap space in the TOR/DAL/ORL/MEM trade. They used it to facilitate the trade by sending a big TPE to Orlando. They basically used their cap space for cash considerations and a 2nd round draft pick.

BNM

 

[RickyRubio]

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It would certainly put an end to all this ridiculous negativity being thrown KP's way.

Yeah everyone would go back to "KP IS A GOD!" status.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

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I have to say that (assuming that this report is legit, and Millsap has been signed to an offer sheet) the Jazz could just get really pissed and just say they'll bite the luxury tax and hang on. They can keep looking for Boozer trades as the deadline gets closer (as I say, the Suns have a chip they can use in the Ben Wallace contract) or just let him walk at the end of the year. People don't like to be bullied.

 

[B-Roy]

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I have to say that (assuming that this report is legit, and Millsap has been signed to an offer sheet) the Jazz could just get really pissed and just say they'll bite the luxury tax and hang on. They can keep looking for Boozer trades as the deadline gets closer (as I say, the Suns have a chip they can use in the Ben Wallace contract) or just let him walk at the end of the year. People don't like to be bullied.

It's not about moving Boozer. It's about getting cap-space FOR Boozer, which only Portland and OKC can offer. Moving him for an expiring does no good, it will save them around 3 Million at the most.

 

[Reep]

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No. You can't just willy nilly change offers.

Well, in real life you can easily if all parties agree. The question is does the CBA lock the teams and player in. If so, then the agent wants to talk to both teams before actually signing off on it.

 

[The Professional Fan]

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Yeah everyone would go back to "KP IS A GOD!" status.

Perhaps we can find some middle ground? Haha...

How about, "KP is a solid GM?"

Eh, fuck that. In KP I Trust.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

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It's not about moving Boozer. It's about getting cap-space FOR Boozer, which only Portland and OKC can offer. Moving him for an expiring does no good, it will save them around 3 Million at the most.

Ben Wallace's deal is (I believe) a SUPER-expiring deal, because he might retire, which means it would be off the books. That's why N'Orleans will give the Suns Tyson Chandler for it any time they want.

 

[B-Roy]

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Well, in real life you can easily if all parties agree. The question is does the CBA lock the teams and player in. If so, then the agent wants to talk to both teams before actually signing off on it.

Once and if Millsap signs it, it's set in stone. End of story.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

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They are stuck with the offer. It's match or bye Millsap.

Not really true. If all parties agree the offer sheet can be rescinded. This would work in our favor, if we wanted to instead start his salary out at a lower amount with 10% increases instead and give Utah something back that we don't want, such as Travis Outlaw, and we'd still have some salary cap space left over.

Does this make any sense?

 

[The Professional Fan]

Re: Millsap offer official now. Sent to Utah.

I have to say that (assuming that this report is legit, and Millsap has been signed to an offer sheet) the Jazz could just get really pissed and just say they'll bite the luxury tax and hang on. They can keep looking for Boozer trades as the deadline gets closer (as I say, the Suns have a chip they can use in the Ben Wallace contract) or just let him walk at the end of the year. People don't like to be bullied.

"Bullied?" What? We aren't bullying. It's called strategy. Tactics. Competing.