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Re: Millsap offer official now. Sent to Utah.

Not really true. If all parties agree the offer sheet can be rescinded. This would work in our favor, if we wanted to instead start his salary out at a lower amount with 10% increases instead and give Utah something back that we don't want, such as Travis Outlaw, and we'd still have some salary cap space left over.

Does this make any sense?

Once Millsap signs the offer sheet, I don't think it can be rescinded.
 
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Apparently the offer is very front loaded with a lot of bonuses. Quick "knows" the amount but won't say. Also says it makes him the highest paid player next year for the Blazers, if he does indeed sign it.

Higher than Darius Miles? I mean higher salary-wise, not higher weed-wise. NOBODY gets higher than The Punisher! Stinko de Mayo lives!
 
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This argues that this (still just rumored) signing makes a Boozer trade v. unlikely.
 
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I just have to type this out and look at it.

Hinrich\Blake\Bayless
Roy\Rudy
Batum\Webster
LMA\Millsap\Pendergraph
Oden\Joel

Wow, I would say that is a good offseason.

That's a really, really good team there. Fantastic offense, defense and rebounding. The lone weakness is backup SF, and you just give Roy some of those minutes and let Rudy play SG, so even that's not really that bad.

We could probably make Millsap work for a single season, but there'd always be trade talk circling around him and Joel. That's ok, though. A starting-quality center making $6 mil is always tradable. A $9 mil Millsap (assuming his salary does scale down next year) is also easily tradable.

Maximum flexibility. Maximum value. The exact opposite of the Hedo acquisition. I love it.
 
Re: Millsap offer official now. Sent to Utah.

Not really true. If all parties agree the offer sheet can be rescinded.

Why would Millsap agree (and he has to)? Presumably the offer the Jazz would give him would be less. And if he agreed to sign, he has to know he's screwing the Jazz.
 
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I just have to type this out and look at it.

Hinrich\Blake\Bayless
Roy\Rudy
Batum\Webster
LMA\Millsap\Pendergraph
Oden\Joel

Wow, I would say that is a good offseason.

I'd be ok with THIS too, even though I feel we need a PG more than anything.

Blake/Bayless/Roy
Roy/Rudy/Webster
Wallace/Batum/Webster
LMA/Millsap/Pendergraph
Oden/LMA/Millsap

I'd feel pretty comfortable with that.
 
Re: Millsap offer official now. Sent to Utah.

A signed offer sheet can be rescinded within the seven day waiting period if all three parties (the player and the two teams) agree. http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q36

Apparently it can be rescinded. My bad.

But yeah, that article shows that Portland is playing for keeps with Millsap.
 
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Pritchard/Penn need to structure this deal like Colangelo did the Hedo/Marion 4-team swap - so that we use all our cap space consumating the trade, and then get our MLE and bi-annual exceptions to use on other players. I'd hate to blow all our cap space on Hinrich and also be with out the exceptions. That would be a let down..

BNM

We can't get any of our exceptions back. None. We renounced our rights to them. That's why we have $7.7M in cap space currently.
 
Re: Millsap offer official now. Sent to Utah.

Apparently it can be rescinded. My bad.

But yeah, that article shows that Portland is playing for keeps with Millsap.

The article states that if the offer sheet is sent to Utah first, then the deal could be likely, because it lets them figure out a trade and let's them know of our intentions. If it goes to Millsap first, then we'd be playing for keeps, since that would be signed once it gets arms length of him.

So really we just know the offer sheet was sent, unless there has been other stuff put out on who it actually went to.
 
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We can't get any of our exceptions back. None. We renounced our rights to them. That's why we have $7.7M in cap space currently.

Hmm, I'm not sure about that. Toronto was able to get their MLE by involving Orlando in the S/T. I think something similar can be done here.
 
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I STILL can't find a corroborating source that an offer has in fact been signed by, or even offered to, Milsap.
 
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The article states that if the offer sheet is sent to Utah first, then the deal could be likely, because it lets them figure out a trade and let's them know of our intentions. If it goes to Millsap first, then we'd be playing for keeps, since that would be signed once it gets arms length of him.

So really we just know the offer sheet was sent, unless there has been other stuff put out on who it actually went to.

Quick said it was being sent to Millsap in Louisiana right now.

But, ITS QUICK OMFG LIAR LULZ!
 
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Memphis blew their cap space in the TOR/DAL/ORL/MEM trade. They used it to facilitate the trade by sending a big TPE to Orlando. They basically used their cap space for cash considerations and a 2nd round draft pick.

BNM

I thought so, but I hadn't had time today to get out my scientific calculator to see the damage done. ;)
 
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From the CBA bible:

When another team wants to sign a restricted free agent, it signs the player to an offer sheet, the principal terms of which the original team is given seven days to match. The offer sheet must be for at least two seasons (not including option years). If the player's prior team also submitted a maximum qualifying offer, then the offer sheet must be for at least three seasons (not including option years). If the player's original team exercises its right of first refusal by matching the principal terms of the offer sheet, the player is then under contract to his original team. If the player's original team does not exercise its right of first refusal within seven days, the offer sheet becomes an official contract with the new team.

To summarize, a restricted free agent essentially has four options:

He can accept his prior team's qualifying offer, play for one season, and become a free agent again the following summer.
He can accept his prior team's maximum qualifying offer (if applicable, and if one has been submitted) and play under a long-term contract at the maximum salary.
He can sign an offer sheet with another team, which his prior team is given the opportunity to match.
He can negotiate a new contract with his prior team that is independent of the qualifying offer or maximum qualifying offer.

. . .

A signed offer sheet can be rescinded within the seven day waiting period if all three parties (the player and the two teams) agree.
 
Re: Millsap offer official now. Sent to Utah.

I just have to type this out and look at it.

Hinrich\Blake\Bayless
Roy\Rudy
Batum\Webster
LMA\Millsap\Pendergraph
Oden\Joel

Wow, I would say that is a good offseason.

How would the Blazers get both Hinrich and Millsap?

Ed O.
 
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We can't get any of our exceptions back. None. We renounced our rights to them. That's why we have $7.7M in cap space currently.

none have been renounced yet... its all theory right now &7.7 mil cap space with Kopo and Freeland and Claver

show us a NBA transaction report where we renounced anything yet? not even LeFrentz or Frye

technically we are over the cap and still have the MLE and other exceptions
 
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Just saw this on ESPN...

Updated: July 9, 2009, 6:37 PM ET
Sources: Boozer could go to Chicago
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By Marc Stein and Chad Ford
ESPN.com

Another major multiteam trade might be looming in the NBA with the Portland Trail Blazers, Utah Jazz and Chicago Bulls having discussed a deal that would be headlined by Carlos Boozer and Kirk Hinrich, according to NBA front-office sources.

Sources stressed to ESPN.com that no deal was imminent Thursday and that both Portland and Utah are still evaluating multiple trade scenarios. But two sources with knowledge of the three-team proposal confirmed that there have been substantive talks regarding a trade that would land Boozer in Chicago, Hinrich in Portland and Tyrus Thomas in Utah.

A deal featuring those main components would deliver the elite low-post scorer that the Bulls have been chasing for years in Boozer and furnish Portland with a lead guard in Hinrich that the Blazers are known to rate highly as a potential backcourt mate for Brandon Roy. It's possible that other players would be added to balance out the transaction from a salary-cap perspective if the three teams elect to take these talks further.

Yet even if this deal collapses, sources say it is clear that the Jazz are becoming increasingly open to the possibility of moving Boozer now to increase their financial flexibility to re-sign restricted free agent Paul Millsap.

Despite fresh reports Thursday about the Blazers weighing whether to sign Millsap to an offer sheet, Hinrich is the player Portland prefers, according to one source close to the process, after the Blazers came so close last week to landing the versatile Hedo Turkoglu.

Boozer has only one season left at $12.7 million after declining the option in his contract to become an unrestricted free agent July 1. It's believed that the Jazz are determined to keep Millsap but are concerned about the luxury-tax consequences of signing him to a long-term deal.

Marc Stein and Chad Ford are senior NBA writers for ESPN.com.
 
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Well, in real life you can easily if all parties agree. The question is does the CBA lock the teams and player in. If so, then the agent wants to talk to both teams before actually signing off on it.

In this case, the player has signed a deal. Now it's just a question where he ends up fulfilling that contract.
 
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How would the Blazers get both Hinrich and Millsap?

Ed O.

You could make it happen in a trade by sending Blake and Outlaw to Chicago straight up for Hinrich, although the poster you were questioning had Blake in his depth chart, so I'm not sure what his response would be.
 
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Ben Wallace's deal is (I believe) a SUPER-expiring deal, because he might retire, which means it would be off the books. That's why N'Orleans will give the Suns Tyson Chandler for it any time they want.

PHX isn't going to give up all that for Boozer (1-year cut and run). They'd want something more long-term than that, IMO.
 
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How would the Blazers get both Hinrich and Millsap?

Ed O.

separate transactions I would suppose

Millsap by FA

Outlaw for Hinrich in lopsided trade (I guess) but think it would take Outlaw and Blake
 
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How would the Blazers get both Hinrich and Millsap?

Ed O.

Sign Millsap with our cap space.

Trade Blake and Outlaw for Hinrich.
 
Re: Millsap offer official now. Sent to Utah.

Well, in real life you can easily if all parties agree. The question is does the CBA lock the teams and player in. If so, then the agent wants to talk to both teams before actually signing off on it.

No you can't. You cannot change an offer sheet once it is submitted.
 
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Sign Millsap with our cap space.

Trade Blake and Outlaw for Hinrich.

Blake is still on that roster.

I don't really think that we could JUST move Outlaw and get both Millsap and Hinrich... either from a talent or salary cap perspective.

Ed O.
 
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Apparently the offer is very front loaded with a lot of bonuses. Quick "knows" the amount but won't say. Also says it makes him the highest paid player next year for the Blazers, if he does indeed sign it.

Ha! Our highest paid player will be the 3rd or 4th best (depending on how Oden does) on the team.

Though fewer minutes for Outlaw is a bargain at any price.
 
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You could make it happen in a trade by sending Blake and Outlaw to Chicago straight up for Hinrich, although the poster you were questioning had Blake in his depth chart, so I'm not sure what his response would be.

My bad with Blake in there.
 
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Blake is still on that roster.

I don't really think that we could JUST move Outlaw and get both Millsap and Hinrich... either from a talent or salary cap perspective.

Ed O.

My bad. I didn't read it closely enough.
 

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