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[Hoopguru]

Not at all . I knew hunters who were responsible. They didn't go to Starbucks with guns strapped to their crotches, they didn't have arsenals of assault weapons, they didn't consider gun extension of their penis.

I used to hunt to bring home the bacon but haven't for some time. Id rather no shoot an animal anymore unless I needed the food or one was attacking me.
I do a lot of camping and have a pistol handy fro protection and Ive only had 1 incident where I was hoping I didnt have to use but would if had to, there were camper with Pit Bulls and Rotwiellers lose disturbing and threaten other campers and we were next to them so we were harassed by the dogs, I talked to them the owners 2 an on the third time I told them them dogs continue to run lose and frighten my wife, I'll shoot them. I told them I already informed the local ranger of the issue and what I would shoot the dogs if needed. Well, they chained them and left next morning. I love dogs but these guys were pack empowered and had that look.

 

[crandc]

Hunting isn't in my family as it is against Jewish law. But I had a colleague when I lived in Portland who brought me pheasant, which I liked. He also gave me two venison chops, but after cooking them I couldn't get past thinking I was eating Bambi, so gave them to the cats.

 

[ehizzy3]

Because Im a gun owner of both pistols and rifles, does that make me a right wing nutso?
I think you'd be surprised at how many Dems and Ind. own guns for hunting, sport, or collection.
I support the second amendment and I support gun measures that prevent wackos from getting hands on.

do you have oregunian on your raised truck?

 

[Hoopguru]

do you have oregunian on your raised truck?

Nope, but I do have an American Flag hanging from my house.

 

[Lanny]

Hunting isn't in my family as it is against Jewish law. But I had a colleague when I lived in Portland who brought me pheasant, which I liked. He also gave me two venison chops, but after cooking them I couldn't get past thinking I was eating Bambi, so gave them to the cats.

You fed your cats bambi?

 

[crandc]

You fed your cats bambi?

Cats are hunters and not sentimental about prey. They willingly ate Bambi.

 

[stampedehero]

Because Im a gun owner of both pistols and rifles, does that make me a right wing nutso?
I think you'd be surprised at how many Dems and Ind. own guns for hunting, sport, or collection.
I support the second amendment and I support gun measures that prevent wackos from getting hands on.

You are a rational human capable of controlling rage. The demented ones firing the weapons at innocent people need help_(such as confidential groups that provide meds)~ before they pull a trigger. That's an approach politicians don't see. Suicide help groups should be a part of the solution.

 

[Hoopguru]

You are a rational human capable of controlling rage. The ones firing the weapons need help_(such as confidential groups that provide meds)~ before they pull the trigger. That's an approach politicians don't see.

agree. I know mentally people who are not allowed to drive a vehicle, boat, mcycle. Laws to prevent and laws that need to be enforced should be there to prevent. Im all for back ground checks and permits.
I read where there are more innocent people killed by knives, blunt force and other murderous ways than with rifles. Open societies will always have issues with sad criminal outcomes.

 

[stampedehero]

agree. I know mentally people who are not allowed to drive a vehicle, boat, mcycle. Laws to prevent and laws that need to be enforced should be there to prevent. Im all for back ground checks and permits.
I read where there are more innocent people killed by knives, blunt force and other murderous ways than with rifles. Open societies will always have issues with sad criminal outcomes.

I'll bet the Chinese and Russians have raged people too. Any weapon can be available under stress conditions.

 

[Lanny]

I'm a gun owner myself, and have a CHL. Not a hunter, so have never felt the need to own more than handguns. As for sport, go to a shooting range that let you shoot all sorts of gun. Every time I'm in Vegas, I try to go to the many shooting ranges over there and get off a few rounds (they have just about everything you'd want). Most fun I had was shooting an Uzi and an AK47 in VN.

Don't understand the need to have an assault weapon for protection. The human body is not that durable. In most situations, a bullet from a handgun will put down the bad guy just as well as a 50 cal bullet.

With few exceptions, I'm all for a ban on assault weapons.

I was a hunter and still own two long barrel weapons. One is a 20 guage shotgun that I've only used for shooting skeet and the other is a fabulous Sako .270 with a strong breech and an extra long and extra thick barrel. This allows me to load cartridges that are very hot. Not a lot of kick and if you use the right powder, there is no fear of double loading. My friend, an avid and excellent shooter says that barrel with that powder means that the bullet exits the barrel in the middle of an oscillation which makes for a better aim. Looking back on it I kind of wish I had gotten the Sako .30 06. I've eaten a lot of venison and never really cared for it. Had elk on time and oh wow. was that good. Wish I could hunt elk. Wish I could have gotten a pheasant, grouse, wild turkey or quail with my shotgun.
I also think there's no reason for an assault type weapon nor is there any need for large capacity magazines. And why aren't there universal background checks?

 

[Phatguysrule]

do you have oregunian on your raised truck?

I took the Oregunian sticker off of my raised truck when I bought it.

But I love guns.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I was a hunter and still own two long barrel weapons. One is a 20 guage shotgun that I've only used for shooting skeet and the other is a fabulous Sako .270 with a strong breech and an extra long and extra thick barrel. This allows me to load cartridges that are very hot. Not a lot of kick and if you use the right powder, there is no fear of double loading. My friend, an avid and excellent shooter says that barrel with that powder means that the bullet exits the barrel in the middle of an oscillation which makes for a better aim. Looking back on it I kind of wish I had gotten the Sako .30 06. I've eaten a lot of venison and never really cared for it. Had elk on time and oh wow. was that good. Wish I could hunt elk. Wish I could have gotten a pheasant, grouse, wild turkey or quail with my shotgun.
I also think there's no reason for an assault type weapon nor is there any need for large capacity magazines. And why aren't there universal background checks?

There is no reason for Universal background checks, IMO.

Why impede the rights of every law abiding American when we could just make it a felony to sell to people without a valid and unrestricted drivers license (or state ID card if they don't drive).

Every state already has the ability to do this. Simply put an 'F' for firearms restriction on anybody's ID who is deemed too dangerous to own firearms.

No need for a database of gun owners. No need for background checks. No argument that the system may go down. No additional cost for anybody except the people who are dangerous and have their unrestricted license confiscated.

Simply look at their ID before you sell them your gun, or you risk getting a felony and your very own firearm restricted ID.

And maybe most importantly, I think Republicans would allow this to pass. I don't think they'd fight it, so you waste FAR less political capital on a universal solution.

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[Phatguysrule]

I'll bet the Chinese and Russians have raged people too. Any weapon can be available under stress conditions.

This is where universal Healthcare (including mental health) shines. Fewer wackos means fewer excuses for government restrictions for the rest of us.

 

[Lanny]

There is no reason for Universal background checks, IMO.

Why impede the rights of every law abiding American when we could just make it a felony to sell to people without a valid and unrestricted drivers license (or state ID card if they don't drive).

Every state already has the ability to do this. Simply put an 'F' for firearms restriction on anybody's ID who is deemed too dangerous to own firearms.

No need for a database of gun owners. No need for background checks. No argument that the system may go down. No additional cost for anybody except the people who are dangerous and have their unrestricted license confiscated.

Simply look at their ID before you sell them your gun, or you risk getting a felony and your very own firearm restricted ID.

And maybe most importantly, I think Republicans would allow this to pass. I don't think they'd fight it, so you waste FAR less political capital on a universal solution.

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What do you do with violent felons who drive or with people who've threatened other people with violence such as violent ex husbands who possess a driver's license?
Also, what do you do with individual states who don't restrict firearms for any reason? No, you need a federal law to protect all of us.

 

[Phatguysrule]

What do you do with violent felons who drive or with people who've threatened other people with violence such as violent ex husbands who possess a driver's license?
Also, what do you do with individual states who don't restrict firearms for any reason? No, you need a federal law to protect all of us.

I'm advocating for a federal law which makes it illegal to sell guns to anybody without an unrestricted ID. This law would also require states to restrict certain people (basically anybody who is currently restricted by federal law).

So if you don't have a state ID you can't buy a gun. If your state ID has a firearm restriction you can't buy a gun.

Nothing changes except the only people who need to be in a database are the criminals and dangerous individuals rather than everybody who buys a gun.

I think you could get a universal federal law like this. I don't think you'll ever get universal background checks.

The important part is that states already have this capability (see below), And people already need a state ID to buy a gun.

So no excuse not to enact a law like this.

 

[Chris Craig]

I'm advocating for a federal law which makes it illegal to sell guns to anybody without an unrestricted ID. This law would also require states to restrict certain people (basically anybody who is currently restricted by federal law).

So if you don't have a state ID you can't buy a gun. If your state ID has a firearm restriction you can't buy a gun.

Nothing changes except the only people who need to be in a database are the criminals and dangerous individuals rather than everybody who buys a gun.

I think you could get a universal federal law like this. I don't think you'll ever get universal background checks.

Ok. But, someone with an unrestricted license could by a gun and kill people. I does stop a lot of loonies from buying guns which is good, but it won't stop everyone.

I think something needs to be done about gunshow loopholes and personal sales of guns too. Not mention out of state sales. The garlic shooter went out of state to buy his gun because he couldn't in his own state. If he was not allowed to buy out of his own state, lives would have been saved.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Ok. But, someone with an unrestricted license could by a gun and kill people. I does stop a lot of loonies from buying guns which is good, but it won't stop everyone.

I think something needs to be done about gunshow loopholes and personal sales of guns too. Not mention out of state sales. The garlic shooter went out of state to buy his gun because he couldn't in his own state. If he was not allowed to buy out of his own state, lives would have been saved.

This would apply to gunshows. This would apply to private party purchases. If you sell a gun to a person with a restricted license or without a license you are guilty of a felony. CONGRATULATIONS! You now get your very own restricted ID!

You have just bought and sold your last gun.

This would have also prevented the guy from buying a gun out of state if he were federally restricted, or even restricted in his own state.

 

[Chris Craig]

This would apply to gunshows. This would apply to private party purchases. If you sell a gun to a person with a restricted license or without a license you are guilty of a felony. CONGRATULATIONS! You now get your very own restricted ID!

You have just bought and sold your last gun.

This would have also prevented the guy from buying a gun out of state if he were federally restricted.

And how does one get an unrestricted license? Undergo a mental health test? A lot of shooters had never been into trouble prior. What is to stop them from getting an unrestricted license?

 

[Phatguysrule]

And how does one get an unrestricted license? Undergo a mental health test? A lot of shooters had never been into trouble prior. What is to stop them from getting an unrestricted license?

When you commit a violent crime or are otherwise deemed dangerous law enforcement will confiscate your current license or ID and any weapons you may have and add you to the restricted list.

When you replace your license it will have a firearm restriction.

Universal background checks will not know if a person is dangerous without these processes happening either.

 

[andalusian]

Hunting isn't in my family as it is against Jewish law. But I had a colleague when I lived in Portland who brought me pheasant, which I liked. He also gave me two venison chops, but after cooking them I couldn't get past thinking I was eating Bambi, so gave them to the cats.

So what you are saying is that cats hate Bambi.

 

[crandc]

So what you are saying is that cats hate Bambi.

No. Cats don't hate. They are simply indifferent to prey.

 

[stampedehero]

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[Chris Craig]

The big issue is a lot of these shooters didn't have previous records and even passed background checks to buy guns. There seems to be no way to stop people who don't have prior records from losing it, buying a gun, and taking people out.