Politics Republican Voters Against Trump

[jonnyboy]

Yesterday he is defending attacks on Jewish people

Now he is attacking veterans

Oh fuck me.

Seriously? I can’t have a discussion with someone in a certain “group” without it being an “attack”on whatever group they may be a part of??

You make it sound like I was cheering on someone beating up a Jewish person!

I didn’t even fucking know kj was a vet! I was simply arguing with him and I NEVER ONCE BROUGHT UP HIS VETERAN STATUS!!

You are framing this in an EXTREMELY unfair and irrational way!

Really uncalled for coming from a supposed moderator.

And extremely offensive and irresponsible to accuse someone of defending “attacks” on Jewish people and “attacking veterans” based on such loose context.

Total fucking bullshit!

 

[THE HCP]

Let me guess what’s next.....the mods are biased?

 

[riverman]

A bunch of us think this way. Why not eliminate parties altogether?

Pay them military E1 wages and I agree with getting rid of the two party divorce court we're saddled with...to me if you want to work for the govt you should be a member of the United States ..they should take the job with a set of tasks to perform and work...less talk...more walk and to run for president you must first qualify by passing a very difficult test of diverse subjects such as the constitution and world history. I'd actually rather have a diverse council of leaders than a president...

 

[jonnyboy]

Ask @kjironman1 if I was going out of my way to “attack a veteran”. Most of us can distinguish having a discussion with “attacking” said person because they belong to (insert group here).

Such horseshit.

I’m allowed to have a discussion, or even an argument for that matter, with any person from any group. I’m not holding my tongue for anyone and I don’t care what color mine or their skin is or what groups they claim.

@Chris Craig took a cheap shot right there.

 

[riverman]

Ask @kjironman1 if I was going out of my way to “attack a veteran”. Most of us can distinguish having a discussion with “attacking” said person because they belong to (insert group here).

Such horseshit.

I’m allowed to have a discussion, or even an argument for that matter, with any person from any group. I’m not holding my tongue for anyone and I don’t care what color mine or their skin is or what groups they claim.

@Chris Craig took a cheap shot right there.

I know you like to see yourself in a neutral light but you don't post that way...you have a definite anti liberal stance and yet...if your opinions are not popular, that's everyone you think is full of shit saying what they feel....not holding their tongues....in other words...your bullshit is no different than what you think my bullshit is....it's why political discussion derail into dichotomies...your claims put you smack dab into a "group" just like your complaints about people having groups. This old...people who don't like Trump are sheeple shit is not leading to good conversations ...and admit it dude....you are all about having an argument here and it's always with anti Trump folks....who by the way are all free thinking individuals who also don't need to hold their tongue...situation, problem, process, solution.....don't stop at the problem and stay there....what would you do to fix shit? I'm not sure I've gotten a clear idea about what you see as good government

 

[Propagandist]

Pay them military E1 wages and I agree with getting rid of the two party divorce court we're saddled with...to me if you want to work for the govt you should be a member of the United States ..they should take the job with a set of tasks to perform and work...less talk...more walk and to run for president you must first qualify by passing a very difficult test of diverse subjects such as the constitution and world history. I'd actually rather have a diverse council of leaders than a president...

My man. I just said this to my father and he looked at me like I'd lost it--the council part, that is. A spokesperson is fine, but this pseudo-king business, enough already. I've brought this up before, but the current political landscape seems to be a byproduct of this disdain for intellectuals in much of America, ie a good many Americans seem to be pro-stupid. It's made us a laughingstock internationally. I'd be down for bright, educated leaders.

 

[Chris Craig]

Ask @kjironman1 if I was going out of my way to “attack a veteran”. Most of us can distinguish having a discussion with “attacking” said person because they belong to (insert group here).

Such horseshit.

I’m allowed to have a discussion, or even an argument for that matter, with any person from any group. I’m not holding my tongue for anyone and I don’t care what color mine or their skin is or what groups they claim.

@Chris Craig took a cheap shot right there.

There was no cheap shot. I see your antics and called you on it.

You laughed at a former Republican congressman who was a veteran and is now part of an organization against Trump.

You then continued to question the integrity of @kjironman1 after he announced he was a veteran and part of the group because he served in a war you dont agree with. You used negative aspects of that war to keep questioning him.

That too me is attacking veterans

 

[kjironman1]

Ask @kjironman1 if I was going out of my way to “attack a veteran”. Most of us can distinguish having a discussion with “attacking” said person because they belong to (insert group here).

Such horseshit.

I’m allowed to have a discussion, or even an argument for that matter, with any person from any group. I’m not holding my tongue for anyone and I don’t care what color mine or their skin is or what groups they claim.

@Chris Craig took a cheap shot right there.

Well at least every time you comment you bump the thread. I'll give you that.

 

[jonnyboy]

I know you like to see yourself in a neutral light but you don't post that way...you have a definite anti liberal stance and yet...if your opinions are not popular, that's everyone you think is full of shit saying what they feel....not holding their tongues....in other words...your bullshit is no different than what you think my bullshit is....it's why political discussion derail into dichotomies...your claims put you smack dab into a "group" just like your complaints about people having groups. This old...people who don't like Trump are sheeple shit is not leading to good conversations ...and admit it dude....you are all about having an argument here and it's always with anti Trump folks....who by the way are all free thinking individuals who also don't need to hold their tongue...situation, problem, process, solution.....don't stop at the problem and stay there....what would you do to fix shit? I'm not sure I've gotten a clear idea about what you see as good government

I don’t claim to have all the answers and I don’t see many here who do. I don’t expect them to either. People can group me into whatever categories they like politically, it’s fine, I’m used to it at this point. I more or less take it in stride at this point and play devils advocate to try and jerk people out of their comfort zones. I’ll admit that. This place can be somewhat of a bubble at times and I don’t mind trying to pop it once in awhile. I don’t insult people on here at a personal level. I may have opinions they don’t like, and raise inconvenient questions on purpose, but I DO NOT attack people simply because of who they are. Getting accused of “defending attack on a Jewish person” or “attacking a veteran” is over the top and taken out of context. It isn’t an attack on ones being to engage them on an unrelated subject. It pissed me off to read that because that’s NOT who I am, and I haven’t acted in a way to warrant such a heavy accusation.

 

[kjironman1]

I don’t claim to have all the answers and I don’t see many here who do. I don’t expect them to either. People can group me into whatever categories they like politically, it’s fine, I’m used to it at this point. I more or less take it in stride at this point and play devils advocate to try and jerk people out of their comfort zones. I’ll admit that. This place can be somewhat of a bubble at times and I don’t mind trying to pop it once in awhile. I don’t insult people on here at a personal level. I may have opinions they don’t like, and raise inconvenient questions on purpose, but I DO NOT attack people simply because of who they are. Getting accused of “defending attack on a Jewish person” or “attacking a veteran” is over the top and taken out of context. It isn’t an attack on ones being to engage them on an unrelated subject. It pissed me off to read that because that’s NOT who I am, and I haven’t acted in a way to warrant such a heavy accusation.

The answer is to vote the IDIOT out of office!
Yeah most on here have that answer sewn up my man.

 

[riverman]

I don’t claim to have all the answers and I don’t see many here who do. I don’t expect them to either. People can group me into whatever categories they like politically, it’s fine, I’m used to it at this point. I more or less take it in stride at this point and play devils advocate to try and jerk people out of their comfort zones. I’ll admit that. This place can be somewhat of a bubble at times and I don’t mind trying to pop it once in awhile. I don’t insult people on here at a personal level. I may have opinions they don’t like, and raise inconvenient questions on purpose, but I DO NOT attack people simply because of who they are. Getting accused of “defending attack on a Jewish person” or “attacking a veteran” is over the top and taken out of context. It isn’t an attack on ones being to engage them on an unrelated subject. It pissed me off to read that because that’s NOT who I am, and I haven’t acted in a way to warrant such a heavy accusation.

If you feel insulted by anyone unfairly, flag the post...

 

[Propagandist]

If you feel insulted by anyone unfairly, flag the post...

Oh geez...there go half my posts.

 

[jonnyboy]

There was no cheap shot. I see your antics and called you on it.

You laughed at a former Republican congressman who was a veteran and is now part of an organization against Trump.

You then continued to question the integrity of @kjironman1 after he announced he was a veteran and part of the group because he served in a war you dont agree with. You used negative aspects of that war to keep questioning him.

That too me is attacking veterans

I really don’t care what is is to you. I didn’t attack anyone because they were a veteran. I didn’t laugh at the congressman in the video for serving. I said LOL at the irony of another veteran in a similar circumstance who was smeared by the Democratic Party, the same party the RVAT is asking people to vote for. I was literally CALLING OUT an attack on a veteran as BS! Sorry you missed the context. Arguing with someone who happens to be a veteran is not the same as “attacking” them for being a veteran. If you can’t distinguish a difference between those things then maybe you shouldn’t be moderating conversations between people?

 

[jonnyboy]

If you feel insulted by anyone unfairly, flag the post...

I honestly don’t care to tattle on people behind the scenes and make the moderators babysit a bunch of adults. I took serious issue with someone’s accusation (who happens to be a moderator) and addressed him publicly. I’ve never flagged someone.

 

[kjironman1]

I really don’t care what is is to you. I didn’t attack anyone because they were a veteran. I didn’t laugh at the congressman in the video for serving. I said LOL at the irony of another veteran in a similar circumstance who was smeared by the Democratic Party, the same party the RVAT is asking people to vote for. I was literally CALLING OUT an attack on a veteran as BS! Sorry you missed the context. Arguing with someone who happens to be a veteran is not the same as “attacking” them for being a veteran. If you can’t distinguish a difference between those things then maybe you shouldn’t be moderating conversations between people?

It's interesting to me now that multiple people seem to "Miss the context" of your posts and you seem to call them out as unable to understand simple conversations. Three posters on this thread and many posters on the virus thread.
Maybe when everyone else seems wrong they are not the one's that are actually wrong here?

 

[Chris Craig]

I don’t claim to have all the answers and I don’t see many here who do. I don’t expect them to either. People can group me into whatever categories they like politically, it’s fine, I’m used to it at this point. I more or less take it in stride at this point and play devils advocate to try and jerk people out of their comfort zones. I’ll admit that. This place can be somewhat of a bubble at times and I don’t mind trying to pop it once in awhile. I don’t insult people on here at a personal level. I may have opinions they don’t like, and raise inconvenient questions on purpose, but I DO NOT attack people simply because of who they are. Getting accused of “defending attack on a Jewish person” or “attacking a veteran” is over the top and taken out of context. It isn’t an attack on ones being to engage them on an unrelated subject. It pissed me off to read that because that’s NOT who I am, and I haven’t acted in a way to warrant such a heavy accusation.

Such heavy accusation? Please spare me the dramatic flare. You act as though I slandered your character. I am not here to defame or vilify. I simply pointed out your questionable actions.

Yesterday quite clearly, after ABM replied to Crandc with stereotypical bullshit about her being obliged to like Trump because she is Jewish, and Crandc defended herself as she should have, you defended ABM.

Today you laughed at a once republican congressman who was a veteren because he has come out against Trump. You questioned Kjironman and when he said he didn't want to continue with your nitpicking, you continued anyway.

You admitted above you like to take jabs at people to get reactions and move them out of their comfort zone. Well, you are getting reaction. Sorry, all of those reactions don't fit your comfort zone.

You act as though I have unfairly accused you of something. You act affronted. I pointed out your actions. They are all there to be very plainly seen in the threads.

 

[Chris Craig]

If you feel insulted by anyone unfairly, flag the post...

He is very welcome to. And, if he does it will be handled by other moderators, all of who's judgment I trust. If they say I was in the wrong, I will accept that and offer a sincere apology.

 

[jonnyboy]

Such heavy accusation? Please spare me the dramatic flare. You act as though I slandered your character. I am not here to defame or vilify. I simply pointed out your questionable actions.

Yesterday quite clearly, after ABM replied to Crandc with stereotypical bullshit about her being obliged to like Trump because she is Jewish, and Crandc defended herself as she should have, you defended ABM.

Today you laughed at a once republican congressman who was a veteren because he has come out against Trump. You questioned Kjironman and when he said he didn't want to continue with your nitpicking, you continued anyway.

You admitted above you like to take jabs at people to get reactions and move them out of their comfort zone. Well, you are getting reaction. Sorry, all of those reactions don't fit your comfort zone.

You act as though I have unfairly accused you of something. You act affronted. I pointed out your actions. They are all there to be very plainly seen in the threads.

Dramatic flare?

You said I “defended an attack on a Jewish person” and “attacked a veteran”.

You framed it like I actively attacked those people simply based on those labels.

I was arguing with them on subjects unrelated to their groups, groups which YOU brought up, not me.

YOU are the one sensationalizing and using dramatic flare.

You did unfairly accuse me of something a lot nastier that what I actually did. You’re accusing me of prejudice and that IS a heavy accusation. I don’t take it lightly. I will not entertain that accusation just because you don’t agree with my opinions on other unrelated subjects.

 

[Chris Craig]

Dramatic flare?

You said I “defended an attack on a Jewish person” and “attacked a veteran”.

You framed it like I actively attacked those people simply based on those labels.

I was arguing with them on subjects unrelated to their groups, groups which YOU brought up, not me.

YOU are the one sensationalizing and using dramatic flare.

You did unfairly accuse me of something a lot nastier that what I actually did. You’re accusing me of prejudice and that IS a heavy accusation. I don’t take it lightly. I will not entertain that accusation just because you don’t agree with my opinions on other unrelated subjects.

@crandc felt attacked and responded, you defended the poster who attacked her. That is fact.

@kjironman1 felt attacked and you continued

If I am wrong about either @crandc or @kjironman1 can say so and I will apologize.

I am not being dramatic. Not in the least

 

[THE HCP]

Am I the only one on here that notices we play a lot of teams when they are missing key players......AND......the mods on this forum seem to be biased?

 

[jonnyboy]

@crandc felt attacked and responded, you defended the poster who attacked her. That is fact.

@kjironman1 felt attacked and you continued

If I am wrong about either @crandc or @kjironman1 can say so and I will apologize.

I am not being dramatic. Not in the least

I don’t believe cran actually ever replied to me. Can you verify this?

Did KJ feel I was attacking him solely because he was a veteran?

You are applying intent, or what you thought the intent was. Your personal opinion or “read” of a situation does not necessarily equal my intent.

 

[Propagandist]

Why would you apologize after so vehemently accusing me of prejudice? Shouldn’t that violate your morals? To apologize to a veteran-bashing Jew hater?

If that’s what you think then I would NOT expect an apology from you.


I don’t believe cran actually ever replied to me. Can you verify this?

There is a theme to this thread that isn't just Victim Jonny...

Here are some on topic videos!!!

 

[jonnyboy]

aaaaaaaaaand that was it. That was my last post here.

 

[Chris Craig]

I don’t believe cran actually ever replied to me. Can you verify this?

Did KJ feel I was attacking him solely because he was a veteran?

You are applying intent, or what you thought the intent was. Your personal opinion or “read” of a situation does not necessarily equal my intent.

I said she responded to ABM who who made a remark regarding her ethnicity and religion. You defended ABM who attacked her. I didn't say you attacked her. I said you defended an attack against her.

As far as kjironman1 is concerned, too me, it appeared he saw you were headed towards questioning the group he is part of as a veteran as a form of attack. He told you, he didnt care to go there with you, you did anyway.

You said I misunderstood the context, but several others understood it the same way I did. Again, if I am wrong and @crandc or @kjironman1 say they didn't feel attacked then I will apologize and amit error.

 

[Hoopguru]

The two parties and media are in total control.
Id like to see congress with term limits and a equal representation of Liberals, Conservatives, libertarians & Independents
The Supreme court should always have equal representation as well. Majority rules just doest make since anymore, imo.

 

[kjironman1]

I don’t believe cran actually ever replied to me. Can you verify this?

Did KJ feel I was attacking him solely because he was a veteran?

You are applying intent, or what you thought the intent was. Your personal opinion or “read” of a situation does not necessarily equal my intent.

This is exactly what i told you would happen. You would nit pick silly issues and change the narrative of the thread. Take your games elsewhere please.
This thread is and always will be about "Republicans Against Voting for Trump"
It is not about YOU. Try to keep up here.
You are welcome to continue to post but please try to stay on topic and if you would like you are welcome to vote in the poll. It is private and no one will know how you voted.
If you would like to post opinions as to why you are still voting for trump you are welcome to do that also. However do not act surprised if one or many of the posters on this thread feel the need to respond in kind.

 

[kjironman1]

The two parties and media are in total control.
Id like to see congress with term limits and a equal representation of Liberals, Conservatives, libertarians & Independents
The Supreme court should always have equal representation as well. Majority rules just doest make since anymore, imo.

I agree. I would also like to enforce a little more electoral equality. Maybe not completely popular vote because that really would screw the people in Rural areas but at least draw the lines a little closer so my vote equals a vote from someone in Rural Texas or Florida.

 

[kjironman1]

aaaaaaaaaand that was it. That was my last post here.

Aaaaaaaaand just like that No more victim!

 

[kjironman1]

Please listen to Miles Taylor
"Miles Taylor served as the Chief of Staff of Trump's Department of Homeland Security."
His Video is absolutely frightening!

 

[kjironman1]