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wacko birther believer

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jon stewert destroys birthers (must watch, for canadians go to the comedy network website)

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-july-22-2009/the-born-identity



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32114091/ns/politics-white_house/

NEW YORK - Six months after Barack Obama's inauguration, a persistent and noisy legion of doubters won't let go of an already debunked claim — that he is actually a foreign-born, illegal president.

The issue has flared again on political blogs, TV news shows and even a town hall meeting, widely circulated on YouTube, in which a Republican congressman was booed for saying Obama is a citizen.

Mainstream Republicans who want the issue to go away are having a tough time stamping it out as the so-called "birthers" resurface, with assists from talk show host Rush Limbaugh and CNN's Lou Dobbs.

‘I want my country back’
Passions among the birthers run so high that Rep. Mike Castle, of Delaware, was booed by his own constituents at a recent town hall meeting for saying Obama "is a citizen of the United States." He was responding to a woman who waved her own birth certificate, contended Obama was born in Kenya, and shouted out, "I want my country back!"

Theories that Obama was born abroad abounded during the presidential campaign, even after an official Hawaii birth certificate was produced, along with August 1961 birth notices from two Honolulu newspapers. Numerous lawsuits and emergency appeals were lodged challenging Obama's eligibility to be president, and all were rebuffed.

The Constitution states that a person must be a "natural-born citizen" to be eligible for the presidency. The birthers contend that Obama's Hawaiian birth certificate is a fake, and many say he was actually born in Kenya, his father's homeland.

Limbaugh, for example, joked that Obama and God have something in common — the lack of a birth certificate. Dobbs has broached the issue several times, saying at one point, "The questions won't go away."

And 10 Republican members of Congress have co-sponsored a bill that would require future presidential candidates to provide a copy of their original birth certificate.

One of those congressmen, John Campbell of California, was pressed by MSNBC's Chris Matthews as to whether he believed Obama was a U.S. citizen.

"As far as I know," Campbell replied.

Liz Cheney's role
The issue also was raised by CNN's Larry King this week, in a conversation with Liz Cheney, a former State Department official and daughter of former Vice President Dick Cheney.

"I think the Democrats have got more crazies than the Republicans do," Liz Cheney said. "But setting that aside, one of the reasons you see people so concerned about this ... people are uncomfortable with having for the first time ever, I think, a president who seems so reluctant to defend the nation overseas."
 
fyi- the holocaust museum shooter, james von braun was a birther himself. got to love the bedfellows the republicans make
 
here's the daily show clip for canadians: http://watch.thecomedynetwork.ca/#clip195318

oh yeah and president obama's maternal grandfather served in world war two so fuck u crazy lady. and im not sure but im almost certain kenyan soldiers served in both world wars as well.
 
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here's the discussion of james von braun (holocaust museum shooter) birther's beliefs.
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-proof republicans dovetail their actions with lunatic's
-these type of conspiracy theories helped elevate the third reich
 
I wouldn't trust Rachel Maddow's spin on anything to be truthful or accurate.

I'm pro-choice.
 
I wouldn't trust Rachel Maddow's spin on anything to be truthful or accurate.

I'm pro-choice.

well james von braun is a birther and that fact has been well established. are u a birther yourself?
 
No.

Obama is a Hawaiian. Born in the USA, beyond any doubt.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2...vestigated_obama_citizenship.html?referrer=js

McCain Lawyers Investigated Obama Citizenship

As we asked earlier this week, if questions over President Obama's citizenship were valid, wouldn't they have come out during the presidential campaign?

David Weigel talked with Trevor Potter and other lawyers for Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign who said that they did look into the Obama citizenship rumors and found them without merit.

Said Potter: "To the extent that we could, we looked into the substantive side of these allegations. We never saw any evidence that then-Senator Obama had been born outside of the United States. We saw rumors, but nothing that could be sourced to evidence. There were no statements and no documents that suggested he was born somewhere else. On the other side, there was proof that he was born in Hawaii. There was a certificate issued by the state's Department of Health, and the responsible official in the state saying that he had personally seen the original certificate. There was a birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser, which would be very difficult to invent or plant 47 years in advance."
 
No.

Obama is a Hawaiian. Born in the USA, beyond any doubt.

why are your buddies in the republican party (e..g 10 congressmen who signed the bill) and their right wing admirers (e.g. lou dobbs, rush limbaugh, and james von braun) peddling this crap so hard? im not including the right wing sympathizers either like liz cheaney
 
why are your buddies in the republican party (e..g 10 congressmen who signed the bill) and their right wing admirers (e.g. lou dobbs, rush limbaugh, and james von braun) peddling this crap so hard? im not including the right wing sympathizers either like liz cheaney

Lou Dobbs is a left wing type.

I don't have a problem with the Bill. Nothing wrong with requiring proof of citizenship as long as it's a constitutional requirement. A requirement that prevents a guy like Arnold from running.

And there's only on republican I care about, Ron Paul. So if you think you're getting under my skin by bashing republicans, you aren't.
 
Lou Dobbs is a left wing type.

I don't have a problem with the Bill. Nothing wrong with requiring proof of citizenship as long as it's a constitutional requirement. A requirement that prevents a guy like Arnold from running.

And there's only on republican I care about, Ron Paul. So if you think you're getting under my skin by bashing republicans, you aren't.

lou dobbs is a race baiter and definitely not a left winger. in the rachel maddows piece- the journalist mentioned how dobbs used to claim that mexicans were spreading leprosy. he spends most of his time bashing obama these days and just the other day was praising the the good governor from cali by way of austria and his nazi ties. that bill was only intended to undermine the president as well play to the birther element. i hope u understand that or else your deeply naive or an apologist for the birthers.

and i find it ironic that u conveniently separate yourself from the republicans on these dicey issues, yet u support their position on everything. btw, ron paul has as much pull in the republican party as alan keyes.
 
lou dobbs is a race baiter and definitely not a left winger. in the rachel maddows piece- the journalist mentioned how dobbs used to claim that mexicans were spreading leprosy. he spends most of his time bashing obama these days and just the other day was praising the the good governor from cali by way of austria and his nazi ties. that bill was only intended to undermine the president as well play to the birther element. i hope u understand that or else your deeply naive or an apologist for the birthers.

and i find it ironic that u conveniently separate yourself from the republicans on these dicey issues, yet u support their position on everything. btw, ron paul has as much pull in the republican party as alan keyes.

You know that Dobbs' wife's name is Debi Lee Segura, a hispanic, right?

Obama deserves to be bashed. He's spending the country into insolvency.


I'm not a republican. I voted for Reagan the 2nd time, for Democrats before that, and for Libertarians ever since. I can name my last presidential votes easily enough: Paul, Badnarik, Browne, Browne, Moreau, Paul.

I vote for who I actually want to win, what a concept!
 
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You know that Dobbs' wife's name is Debi Lee Segura, a hispanic, right?

Obama deserves to be bashed. He's spending the country into insolvency.


I'm not a republican. I voted for Reagan the 2nd time, for Democrats before that, and for Libertarians ever since. I can name my last presidential votes easily enough: Paul, Badnarik, Browne, Browne, Moreau, Paul.

I vote for who I actually want to win, what a concept!

u are old bastard arent u?

dobbs is a bigot; i dont care if he's fucking a hot latina. btw- they say that storm thurmond had a real good black friend as well.
 
fyi- the holocaust museum shooter, james von braun was a birther himself. got to love the bedfellows the republicans make

Ouch. Once again, don't let the facts get in the way of a good argument. James Von Brunn was a registered Democrat from Maryland.:sigh:
 
Ouch. Once again, don't let the facts get in the way of a good argument. James Von Brunn was a registered Democrat from Maryland.:sigh:

and he was also overjoyed when obama became president.
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/aug/02/obama-birthers-us-presidency

The details change, but the basic storyline remains the same. Obama should not be president because his occupancy of the White House contravenes article two, section one of the US constitution, which stipulates that only a "natural-born citizen" is eligible for the presidency. He is not just un-American but non-American; a faux candidate foisted on America by way of Mombasa rather than Manchuria. Such are the claims of the American "birther" movement.

The aim here is not prove these people wrong. That has been achieved several times over. For them to be right, Obama would have had to persuade the state of Hawaii to collude in forging a birth certificate that has been verified by its Republican governor and director of health as well as the nonpartisan factcheck.org. Moreover, his mother would have had to have the foresight to place birth announcements claiming he was born in the US in both the Honolulu Advertiser and the Hawaii Star Bulletin, 48 years ago, in anticipation of a future presidential run – otherwise, why bother? When you think of the time and effort that must have gone into this cover-up, Obama's election must go down as the most elaborate affirmative-action sting in US history.

Facts won't budge them. The smart ones insist they are just doing him a favour. "What I don't understand is why he hasn't produced [his birth certificate] to get this noise out of the way." Cutting "legitimate doubt" from whole cloth, they create accusations to which the only defence would be to disprove a negative. (How do we know Obama was not enrolled into a school in Indonesia as Barry Soetoro?) Posing as reasonable people asking reasonable questions, many insist that their interest is not in stoking the controversy, but ending it. "I do believe the president is a citizen of the United States folks, don't you?" asks CNN's resident xenophobe, Lou Dobbs. "But I do have a couple of little questions, like you. Why not just provide a copy of the birth certificate?"

When proof is provided, the inconvenient evidence is denied, parsed, undermined or overlooked. Hawaii has produced a certificate of live birth which it both issues and accepts as proof of citizenship. So the birthers demand his full certificate and claim that the document provided is a fraud. Meanwhile, in the absence of tangible proof, birthers are sustained by claims that are variably random, unsubstantiable, insubstantial, untraceable or incredible – and often all five. In November the grandson of the Kenyan imam who allegedly delivered Obama in Mombasa was reported to be on his way to England to claim asylum because he feared the Kenyan authorities would silence him. Which brings us on to the final, crucial part of the birther identity: victimhood. The leftwing media are hounding them and the government is marginalising them. If you can't say what happened to the grandson of that Kenyan imam you'd never heard of, then how do you know the authorities didn't finish him off? And so they turn banality into controversy, truth into speculation, certainty in doubt and the world on its head. Having made up the news, they demand to know why no one is reporting it.

So why dignify these people with column inches when you could just laugh and move on? If they truly are brain-dead, then surely the oxygen of publicity only keeps their contributions in their present vegetative state. There is something to that. But while to engage them is clearly futile, to dismiss them would be reckless, for two main reasons.

First, the birthers are anything but a fringe group. They have found a sizeable audience for their fantasy. A poll last week showed that more than half of Republicans either believe Obama was not born in the US (28%) or are not sure (30%). Mainstream anchors on CNN and Fox routinely give them credibility. So far, 11 Republican congressmen have signed a "birther bill" that would demand a birth certificate from all future presidents. They may have no more credibility than the 9/11 truthers or those who denied the moon landings, but they certainly have more reach.

Second, however marginal they appear now, they were effectively running the country between 2000 and 2008. It was their birther logic (an oxymoron if ever there was one) that provided the mindset, legwork and frontline troops for the Bush era. Iraq was invaded because it could not prove that it did not have something it truly did not have. "We would say, 'Iraq should present any anthrax'," explained UN weapons inspector Hans Blix shortly after the invasion. "While the US and UK were inclined to say, 'Iraq should present the anthrax.'" Guantánamo Bay is still full of people who were incarcerated because they were not able to prove they were not guilty and whose guilt was to some extent inferred by their incarceration.

The birthers' claims might be crazy. But so was Whitewater, which ended with Clinton's impeachment, and the Swift Boat saga helped torpedo John Kerry's presidential campaign.

A senior Bush aide once ridiculed a New York Times reporter over his adherence to "the reality-based community", which he described as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality". "That's not the way the world really works any more. We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality – judiciously, as you will – we'll act again, creating other, new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors … and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."

This is what they do. Even a brief study would show it is no laughing matter.
 

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