Republicans, can I ask an honest question about racism

[blazerboy30]

those trying to tie voting results to racism. A lot can go into how someone votes. Me looking at stats to say "they wanted someone who looked like them/had sex like them/goes to the same church as them" is easy and intellectually dishonest, imho. But it happens all the time.

I don't think that SF is full of raging feminist, isolationist tax-dodgers just b/c 20% of them voted for Patty Sheehan to oust Nancy Pelosi.

So you also think the only time a demographic has been split 97-3 just HAPPENED to coincide with the first time there was a black candidate for president?

That's pretty naive.

 

[BrianFromWA]

As has been stated, it's been 92+ several times since 1968. Hell, it was 91/9 for MONDALE in 1984. I think there are multiple reasons for the 91% base to start with, and if there were maybe a couple of % points that would've voted R except that Obama was black, then they're severe outliers.

 

[BlazerWookee]

It might be a good exercise to try and put yourself in a black person's shoes. Think about their history and what they face every day. Think about how white dominated everything is - TV, advertising, government, education, and so on. A little sensitivity to these sorts of things will lead to a better understanding.

I did try. Specifically, they were Travis Outlaw's shoes. I almost got them on over my size 13 shoes.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

hey bb30, since you keep hammering this 97% thing (you have mentioned it at least 30 times), i was wondering if you could link us to this information, i know i asked before, but i think at this point the burden of proof lies with you

thanks

 

[3RA1N1AC]

My point is the Holocaust was arguably the greatest atrocity put on one race in recent memory, yet the Jews don't say, "I can't make it because my family was killed and our wealth stolen". They remember what they lost, say it will never happen again and soldier on.

Slavery was awful. But at some point, you need to stop making excuses for your lack of achievement. Interestingly, however, I wonder how many people who decry their slave rsoot and the racism they feel they experience would trade their ancestors being brought here so they could instead live in West Africa? My guess is there aren't many. And if there are, then enjoy Liberia I say.

so get over it and move back to africa...nice

and slaves here were bred in certain ways to achieve certain results... so until this gene manipulation is erased from their lineage, could you say that they actually are still feeling the effects of slavery?

in any event, something to ponder on

 

[julius]

until you can prove to me that blacks were voting for Obama solely because he was black, it's no different then when white vote for a candidate who happens to be white.

Are you saying that Whites voted for McCain and Romney because he was white like them and they didn't want to vote for a black candidate?

Seems to me you're pontificating a point you don't need to or want to, nor does it make the overall bigger point that you seem hell bent on defending.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

what percentage of black repubs voted for herman cain? what percentage of whites didnt?

anybody have a link for that either? i say 97%

 

[julius]

what percentage of black repubs voted for herman cain? what percentage of whites didnt?

anybody have a link for that either? i say 97%

Can't be. Blacks voted for Obama because he's black. So obviously the black Rs must've voted the same %'s for Herman Cain in their primaries

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Can't be. Blacks voted for Obama because he's black. So obviously the black Rs must've voted the same %'s for Herman Cain in their primaries

no, as this thread proves, only southern DEMOCRAT blacks are racist

 

[blazerboy30]

As has been stated, it's been 92+ several times since 1968. Hell, it was 91/9 for MONDALE in 1984.

In the democratic primaries it was split that way? No, you're talking about the general election.

Damn, why is it so hard for everybody to comprehend there is a huge difference between the expected split in the black vote between the general and primary elections?

 

[Mediocre Man]

I've seen many, and I mean many, on Twitter drop the n-bomb but later claim they aren't racist.

I challenge you to find any KKK member in the history of that group who wasn't a Republican.

Go ahead, I'll wait.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2309727/posts

 

[blazerboy30]

until you can prove to me that blacks were voting for Obama solely because he was black, it's no different then when white vote for a candidate who happens to be white.

Look at the stats. Sure it isn't an absolute proof, but if you want to be so naive and ignore what the stats are STRONGLY suggesting, go ahead and continue to bury your head in the sand.

Are you saying that Whites voted for McCain and Romney because he was white like them and they didn't want to vote for a black candidate?

Considering there are no stats suggesting that, like there are supporting the black vote, I'm definitely not saying that.

Seems to me you're pontificating a point you don't need to or want to, nor does it make the overall bigger point that you seem hell bent on defending.

I'm telling you what the stats strongly suggest. If you want to ignore them and make excuses, that's your problem.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

i love how one overeager post get responded to by every single conservative here, like that proves their point or something

 

[blazerboy30]

what percentage of black repubs voted for herman cain? what percentage of whites didnt?

anybody have a link for that either? i say 97%

You mean in the primaries that he didn't take part in?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

still waiting for that link bb

 

[blazerboy30]

no, as this thread proves, only southern DEMOCRAT blacks are racist

Who said "only"?

Clearly in many posts before I've said that many people are racists. Whites and blacks.

Not sure why you want to create that strawman so badly.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Who said "only"?

Clearly in many posts before I've said that many people are racists. Whites and blacks.

Not sure why you want to create that strawman so badly.

who would you say are MORE racist? white republicans, or black democrats

 

[blazerboy30]

who would you say are MORE racist? white republicans, or black democrats

I don't know. There are pockets of each that are racist. Probably depends on your definition of "more racist".

 

[julius]

Look at the stats. Sure it isn't an absolute proof, but if you want to be so naive and ignore what the stats are STRONGLY suggesting, go ahead and continue to bury your head in the sand.

stats only "strongly" suggest what you want it to suggest, in your world.

The only thing you've "proved" is that 97% of black voted for Obama. you have done nothing but conjecture as to WHY they voted that way.

Considering there are no stats suggesting that, like there are supporting the black vote, I'm definitely not saying that.

But you are saying that blacks only voted for Obama because he was black (in the primaries). I guess it's backed up because they also voted for him in the general (twice).

I'm telling you what the stats strongly suggest. If you want to ignore them and make excuses, that's your problem.

You're telling me what you WANT the stats to suggest. If you want to continually say that they suggest something (without actually providing facts other then R talking points said to make yourself feel less racist, go ahead. If anything, you continually trumpeting the 97% makes you sound MORE like someone who is denying their racism. Which is bad, ESPECIALLY considering I have no reason to believe you are (and therefore, don't), but you keep bringing up a non matter as proof, when it's not).

And again, voting for someone because they're the same color as you is NOT racism or racist. otherwise, whats good for the goose (black folk voting for Obama) is good for the gander (white people who voted for Romney).

 

[3RA1N1AC]

I don't know. There are pockets of each that are racist. Probably depends on your definition of "more racist".

did you and denny ever agree on a definition? because i really dont think everyone wants to see THAT argument again

 

[3RA1N1AC]

stats only "strongly" suggest what you want it to suggest, in your world.

The only thing you've "proved" is that 97% of black voted for Obama.

did he? must have missed that

 

[Denny Crane]

I guess it's racist to invite over a friend who's italian and serve him pasta.

I mean, everything is racist if there's even a tinge of any a priori notion of what a person might be like due to his heritage.

 

[julius]

did he? must have missed that

green font.

 

[Denny Crane]

http://atlantadailyworld.com/index....elical-pens-open-letter-to-black-evangelicals

According to exit polls from last Tuesday's presidential election, 93 percent of African-American voters backed Obama, a slight drop from 95 percent in 2008.

 

[julius]

http://atlantadailyworld.com/index....elical-pens-open-letter-to-black-evangelicals

According to exit polls from last Tuesday's presidential election, 93 percent of African-American voters backed Obama, a slight drop from 95 percent in 2008.

the blacks are 2% less racist! huzzah!

 

[Further]

As the OP of this thread, I want to first thank people like Blazer Prophet and others who gave honest opinions.

Now, I feel that a couple have said that I started this thread accusing Republicans of being racist, and I did not. I said "I am interested in the perception that a racist is more likely to be a Republican than a Democrat. Do you find this to be inaccurate?" I did not say that a Republican is likely to be racist, because I don't believe that.

I think we are talking about the margins here, as most people in America are not racist. I do believe that there is de facto racism in America mostly due to laws and standards that were put into place prior to modern times and prior to a more general acceptance and even appreciation of other cultures. I also think the economic past affects the economic present (for everyone). And poor people have worse education, live around more crime, and have fewer chances to succeed. This does not mean that some individuals can't rise up out of their situation, just that as a whole it is much more difficult.

But I will expand upon my original statement and give my belief. I believe there are liberal racists and conservative racists, and everything in between. However, I do think that there is a significantly greater amount of racists on the right then on the left. This may still only be a few percent of the total population on the right, but it is a loud minority and they are a blight conservatism. I don't understand why so many who are not racist on the right feel the need to defend those who are. In the 2008 election, when McCain interrupted a racist woman at a rally and stated unequivocally that her views were wrong, I felt proud of McCain, and if it weren't for the VP choice, I would have considered voting for him. You might be tired of the left bitching and moaning about racism on the right, but then stand up and denounce it, and we will have nothing to say.

 

[blazerboy30]

stats only "strongly" suggest what you want it to suggest, in your world.

The only thing you've "proved" is that 97% of black voted for Obama. you have done nothing but conjecture as to WHY they voted that way.



But you are saying that blacks only voted for Obama because he was black (in the primaries). I guess it's backed up because they also voted for him in the general (twice).


You're telling me what you WANT the stats to suggest. If you want to continually say that they suggest something (without actually providing facts other then R talking points said to make yourself feel less racist, go ahead. If anything, you continually trumpeting the 97% makes you sound MORE like someone who is denying their racism. Which is bad, ESPECIALLY considering I have no reason to believe you are (and therefore, don't), but you keep bringing up a non matter as proof, when it's not).

Yes, it is clear you don't understand statistics. They never PROVE anything. The suggest with confidence levels. The stats from the 2008 primaries are so many standard deviations out that what I'm saying has a very high confidence level.

You look silly trying to argue that.

And again, voting for someone because they're the same color as you is NOT racism or racist.

Yes, again, by DEFINITION it is racist.

otherwise, whats good for the goose (black folk voting for Obama) is good for the gander (white people who voted for Romney).

Two things:

1) I didn't say that whites voting for whites isn't racist. You keep bringing that up as if I've denied that.

2) There are no stats showing a drastic split in the white vote. 59% of whites voted for Romney. Yeah, that's pretty close to 90%. Ridiculous.

 

[blazerboy30]

I guess it's racist to invite over a friend who's italian and serve him pasta.

I mean, everything is racist if there's even a tinge of any a priori notion of what a person might be like due to his heritage.

Keep trolling Denny. You know that isn't even close to the discussion.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

93% of people marry within their race

THE WHOLE country IS RACIST!! :MARIS61:

why should race matter when choosing a spouse!??!

 

[blazerboy30]

93% of people marry within their race

THE WHOLE country IS RACIST!! :MARIS61:

why should race matter when choosing a spouse!??!

If they are marrying because of race, then yes, that is racist.